Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 3873474)

Breeding for Tiny pups is unethical breeding. I see that there is a claim to not breed for tiny pups, yet *you* continue to breed the bitches that produce tiny pups? The fact that you keep the tinies for their safety does not make it ok, because not all the pups come out tiny does not make it ok. Please spay and/or neuter your "parents." Please stop breeding for Tinies and stop justifying it, please. You are not doing the right thing, IMHO.

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 3872741)

Actually, all puppies have a "pedigree"...that is it's "family tree"...are you referring to "registered" and "non registered" Yorkies? There are hundreds of people out there that jump at the chance to buy a tiny, tiny dog. Most of the time, they have absaolutely no idea what they are getting into, or they just dont care, or they have enough money to "fix" any "issues" that may arise. To answer the last question about price.....unscrupulous breeders TRY to get the tiny little puppies when they breed, because it is "understood" those tiny babies are "special" and thery bring a bigger price...like a perfect pink diamond will cost more than a perfect white diamond, all things being equal....for them, simply the law of supply and demand. However, when you have a litter of babies, and one is so very tiny and struggling so hard to live, that baby consumes 90% more of the breeders time and energy, just to get that baby to survive. More vet visits, constant care and handling and tube feedings every 2 hours AROUND THE CLOCK, (I actually carry these tiny little babies in my bra, because they need the warmth, they need the touch, they need to hear breath and heartbeat, they need the stimulation) ....this is actually a valid reason why these babies to sell for more than the "normal" ones...the additional burden, (financial, emotional, and labor intensive tasks), this one baby has on a breeder, who can not just cull the baby, or allow it to die just because it is tiny, is what generates the higher price in those babies. We seldom break even on those little darlings....thank God, these runts are few and far between, at least for me.

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 3873530)

Any breeder can end up with a runt in a litter. That can not possibly be misconstrued as "deliberately breeding for tinies." When breeders spend close to $5000.00 or more for a breeding female that has a had a wonderful winning career in the show ring, as well as having a pedigree behind her that is outstanding, it would be unrealistic to expect just because a runt is born in a litter she whelps, she "is no good as a breeding female and should be scrapped"!! Likewise, that certainly does not make the breeder unethical or irrresponsible. She is breeding solid, healthy, true to breed standard dogs, and handles the birth of a runt with integrity and compassion. No justification for ethical practices would be warranted.

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 3872974)

ALL ABSOLUTELY TRUE!! AGREE 110%...I have 3 tiny girls that I will keep, because I absolutely will NOT sell these babies except to the PERFECT home...no children, no pets, experienced Yorkie owner, etc. And even if I stumbled on the PERFECT home, I too, am so attached to "my girls", I think I would be like Carlton Heston....".......FROM MY COLD, DEAD, HANDS....."!!!!!! Julia, I have a formula that I tube feed all my tiny babies, and I have not lost one to "fading puppy syndrome" since I started using this formula....if you would like it, PM me and I will send it to you.

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 3873591)

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You obviously have experience with breeding tinies, you have 3, you have sold them and have rarely broke even, you go from stating Tiny babies to selling runts? 1 tiny, 2 tiny, 3 tiny...too many, these are Tinies...you offer reasons which to me amount to excuses, denial? I don't know, all I know is what you post here. I would question myself, if I kept producing 1, 2, atleast 3 tinies.

Originally Posted by beachdog (Post 3872978)

Paris was "supposed" to be a 7 lb Yorkie but he was nearly 13 lbs of Love!!

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 3873596)

IDK, I'm not making much sense of your post, maybe you're not reading the entire thread and jumping to conclusions. But that is just my opinion.

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3873761)

The problem isnt producing a runt that ends up being a tiny in a litter. That can happen to any breeder. I dont see anything wrong with charging a little more for them either since they do require more care and also more care is needed in selecting an appropriate home. The problem is these breeders breeding a tiny yorkie and producing tiny yorkies that they advertise as teacups and sell for 5 to 10k

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3873761)

The problem isnt producing a runt that ends up being a tiny in a litter. That can happen to any breeder. I dont see anything wrong with charging a little more for them either since they do require more care and also more care is needed in selecting an appropriate home. The problem is these breeders breeding a tiny yorkie and producing tiny yorkies that they advertise as teacups and sell for 5 to 10k

Originally Posted by AMD (Post 3873878)

A pedigree is simply a record of a pup's family history- father, mother, grandfather, grandmother etc.. It cracks me up when people talk about a "pedigreed dog" - you can't have a dog without a pedigree, even if you don't know what the pedigree is. LOL

As far as tinies...
Every breeder will come up with big ones and small ones. It happens.
But there's a big difference from the breeders who are proud of their "accomplishments" of producing tinies. You see it all the time... "Charting only 2-3 lbs at xxx age" "$2000, $5000, etc"... Some even know better than to say "teacup" or "tiny" LOL

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 3874191)

:thumbup: :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
reminds me of,
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck...