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waistfull 12-02-2005 01:48 PM

If I see someone hitting their child, I do step in. I don't care what anyone says. I have a beautiful loving 13 year old daughter who did get a couple of spankings. They were well talked out and only over something very serious. I wanted her to know that running out of the house and into the street would or could have been a horrible accident. We have wrestled harder than any little spanking (very lightly) ever was. You can communicate with children, not dogs. Yes I spanked my daughter, all of about 3 times in her life, but hitting children in public repeatedly makes me ill. The yelling and not giving them attention. You may say I'm a hypocrite but I don't care. There is a difference to me.
As for hitting dogs, you're not supposed to. You can't communicate with them why they are getting hit. I don't think anyone should hit a dog and I have seen people. I get into it with them and they tell me to mind my own business. I tell them the welfare of their dog is my business and I will call them in if they keep it up. They usually stop and call me a name. I don't care. A dog should never be hit unless it's a horrible dogfight and one dog is attacking another. Yes I've been there and rescued a pug getting almost devoured from some large dog. I kept kicking the dog until it stopped. I yelled real loud and saved that pug. Well enough of that.
I put too much on here, but never hit a dog!! PLEASE!!

BamaFan121s 12-02-2005 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zulu*Dawn
I loved hereing from her. I know I do not post much. zulu

How much could one possibly post in a week's time. Besides, I have been reading this thread since it started and, until now, have not seen where anyone member has repremanded the other or "beat" any point to death. Like I said...until now.

waistfull 12-02-2005 02:00 PM

Why would someone hit a dog? I just don't understand. Please explain to me why you would ever hit your dog and for the reasoning. I really don't know why someone would.

wnalegria 12-02-2005 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstYorkie
I agree wholeheartedly with what you've said. Breeding tiny pups is wrong. Hitting animals is wrong. Period. (Or as they say here in England: "full stop").

There are a couple of points that I feel the need to make, however.

Alot of you aren't going to want to hear what my first point, but I feel the need to say it anyway. As long as people keep buying teacups, people are going to continue breeding them. I know that many of your teacups came from "standards". However, if there is more demand for tinies than can be bred this way, unscrupulous breeders are going to breed tinies to get tinies. It's a matter of supply and demand. There's good money in it and we live in a society where "money talks". If we want the practise to stop, we have to stop contributing to it. That's the only way to stop it.

Second, the woman who admitted to hitting her Yorkie was distraught that she had done so. She came to this board, not to say that what she had done was okay, but asking for advice on how to mend the relationship with her dog and how to better train her pup. She listened to our advice (despite the fact that much of it was extremely harsh) and, in my opinion, is going to implement it. She seemed heartily sorry for what happened and she seemed willing to change. I see no reason to "beat" this subject to death.

There. Now you can attack ME.


I agree. Often times I will give my tiny puppies away. If I hear someone use the word teacup in an advertisement it is a clear red light that this person knows nothing about the breed and is out to make a buck.

I can also tell what some one is up to when they call and ask about stud service. If they have a gal that is 5 pounds and want to bring the size down on the puppies- you know what they are up too. Would hate to tell you how many of these 5 pound females are lucky to be 4 pounds. They and their owners are sent home without a breeding.

I have a male who throws tiny ones- I have to be very careful with who I breed him with- so that I do not have all little ones. I breed to show- and have show puppies in the ring- those little ones are lovely but not what I want running around my home. Give me 5 pounds and up to 7pounds any day of the week.

YorkieShadow 12-02-2005 02:06 PM

I agree...... No dog should be hit for any reason................And I would not breed a female under 5 lbs.

wnalegria 12-02-2005 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by red98vett
Zulu*Dawn I respectfullly disagree - I read the thread about the woman asking for help after hitting her dog hard enough to make him scream and while I totally thought it was wrong - was one of the people who thought she was very brave to admit it and look for help...I didn't feel the comments were harsh at all - Actually - I thought most of the responses were VERY helpful - When someone comes here and asks for help or posts freely about a subject that is controversial - they should be able to read the opinions given freely.

Everyone here loves yorkies and are always looking out their best interests......we all have different ways of expressing ourselves.

I think if you read more threads here...you'll see far more help offered than critisism...but, when someone posts about certain things that many of us would never dream of doing - then they are subject to some negative feelings.

You have to realize in the end - it's all about helping the Dogs - and sometimes things may get said ....we all care so much but it all can't be sweet and wonderful all the time - sometimes things NEED to be said.


I am one of the folks who gets the calls in the middle of the night from folks on YT who are having problems whelping or when they have puppies that do not eat or have problems. Do you know how many of them could have been answered if the dog's owner was educated and informed before they bred the bitch. All most all of the topics have been discussed on here over and over again. We spend endless hours answering the same questions because they are brought up again and again.

Is it wrong to want a tiny baby no. It is the way that we come about producing them. Are there healthy little yorkies sure there are are- are there sickly ones -yes sir. A lot has to do with how mom was treated during pregnancy and the care that baby got once it hit the ground.

Sometimes things need to be said over and over and over until it is understood.

waistfull 12-02-2005 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wnalegria
I am one of the folks who gets the calls in the middle of the night from folks on YT who are having problems whelping or when they have puppies that do not eat or have problems. Do you know how many of them could have been answered if the dog's owner was educated and informed before they bred the bitch. All most all of the topics have been discussed on here over and over again. We spend endless hours answering the same questions because they are brought up again and again.

Is it wrong to want a tiny baby no. It is the way that we come about producing them. Are there healthy little yorkies sure there are are- are there sickly ones -yes sir. A lot has to do with how mom was treated during pregnancy and the care that baby got once it hit the ground.

Sometimes things need to be said over and over and over until it is understood.

I agree with you. You can get a small yorkie from regular parents. My Cricket is 5lbs. and her brother Bubba is 10lbs. He was twice her size at 12 weeks and still is. Yorkies can have small, medium, and large pups. Go to a reputable breeder and they should know which ones may stay smaller, but you never know!
I didn't realize the woman that hit her dog came here for help. I would have given her my home phone # and talked to her. If anyone needs help in this area, pm me or email me and I'll give you my phone# so we can talk. If you hit your dogs and want to stop, I commend you for trying.

Itspuppyluv 12-02-2005 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zulu*Dawn
But I don't understand why this conversation has started again. The other day breeding tinies was beat to death....the thread was closed?? I am so glad the lady said she would tell her story and she DID.....she came back here amid all the negative views and told her story. that lady has courage! based on some of your views I don't think I woudl have come back and posted about a tiny being bred.

Kelly has been here a while. She does have courage, I'm not surprised she would come back on to tell her story.

Then another thread about someone who hit their yorkie.......you all beat some poor lady to death.....saying she was harsh harsh over and over......yorkiekids ?? I think? then the thread was closed.
So why is it A-Okay to have this conversation today.....can any of you expain why. you totally chased away a lady who had a lot of GOOD things to say. I loved hereing from her. She was wise when it came to our YOrkies. so now here you are beating your chest about how bad it is to hit a dog. why is that. why is it okay for some and totally wrong for others to post here. I know I do not post much. I'm not comfortable posting because some of you are really judgemental. maybe i will develop a tough skin I shall work on that. <g>
zulu

Yorkiekids hasn't been chased away, she posted today. There were just as many people who defended her on that thread. She knows how I feel about her. I didn't post on that thread because I would not have been nice at all. She made her dog scream bloody murder - he was devasted (her words). While I do admire her for being able to admit it and ask for help, when you state something like that you cannot be surprised to get statements that some consider harsh, I consider blunt and honest. I'm not thin skinned so maybe I see it differently.


Whenever I read the stories about tinies being bred or people loosing it with their dogs it makes me think of all the abuse out there we never hear about. These dogs require so much patience, it's too bad many people don't realize that until after they own them.

lnovack 12-02-2005 02:29 PM

Hit my babies? Surely you jest!!! I cannot imagine anything they could do that would make me hit them. Oh my!!!

Itspuppyluv 12-02-2005 02:39 PM

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Whenever I read the stories about tinies being bred or people loosing it with their dogs it makes me think of all the abuse out there we never hear about. These dogs require so much patience, it's too bad many people don't realize that until after they own them.
:rolleyes: Patience has nothing to do with breeding tinies...I don't think they should be bred at all.

shelbysmom 12-02-2005 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zulu*Dawn
My Yorkie gal weighs 1 lb 7 ozs.....she's 18 months old. She is very healthy never has had any helath problems.

But I don't understand why this conversation has started again. The other day breeding tinies was beat to death....the thread was closed?? I am so glad the lady said she would tell her story and she DID.....she came back here amid all the negative views and told her story. that lady has courage! based on some of your views I don't think I woudl have come back and posted about a tiny being bred.

Then another thread about someone who hit their yorkie.......you all beat some poor lady to death.....saying she was harsh harsh over and over......yorkiekids ?? I think? then the thread was closed.
So why is it A-Okay to have this conversation today.....can any of you expain why. you totally chased away a lady who had a lot of GOOD things to say. I loved hereing from her. She was wise when it came to our YOrkies. so now here you are beating your chest about how bad it is to hit a dog. why is that. why is it okay for some and totally wrong for others to post here. I know I do not post much. I'm not comfortable posting because some of you are really judgemental. maybe i will develop a tough skin I shall work on that. <g>
zulu

Okay...I have to ask. What do you "do" with a 1 1/2 lb. dog? I am not being critical, I am very curious and trying to picture it. Did you want a dog that small? Did you buy from someone that breeds for tinies?

I will give it to you that they own the cuteness factor but other than sitting around being cute, what do they do? How doglike can they be? Who do they play with?

When Shelby was that size it was fun but frightening. I know how careful you have to be all the time.

I am assuming you are a great Yorkie owner and you love your dog and you do everything you can to keep him safe. But knowing what you know do you think there are that many people just like you? Willing to protect a tiny baby? Aware of what to watch for?

That is part of the reason this is getting beat to death. It's an awareness issue. So many people buy dogs without thinking long term, an isty bitsy one can not survive the short term interest that many people have in them. Tiny dogs are great, but exhausting.

My dog is more than twice your dogs size!!!!!! :eek:

BamaFan121s 12-02-2005 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shelbysmom
My dog is more than twice your dogs size!!!!!! :eek:

Our 6 1/2 week old puppies are bigger that that! I'm not trying to be critical, but speaking for MYSELF ONLY, I just couldn't imagine having a dog the size of our pups that would never be any bigger. Looking at the pups, they seem so fragile... :confused:

Itspuppyluv 12-02-2005 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by shelbysmom
That is part of the reason this is getting beat to death. It's an awareness issue. So many people buy dogs without thinking long term, an isty bitsy one can not survive the short term interest that many people have in them. Tiny dogs are great, but exhausting.

I agree!!!
Now I'm stepping away from the computer...it looks like I am arguing with myself in the above posts. lol

Zulu*Dawn 12-02-2005 03:47 PM

i will try to answer your questions.....I am not offended....

shelbysmom]Okay...I have to ask. What do you "do" with a 1 1/2 lb. dog? I am not being critical, I am very curious and trying to picture it. Did you want a dog that small? Did you buy from someone that breeds for tinies? >snip


Well Tiny is pretty healthy inspite of her size. she never has had low blood sugar. she eats only dry dog food. she sleeps in her crate every nite. she's too small be in my bed. No I didn't buy her. I bred her. her parents are 6 pounds each. she was the only puppy in her litter. she was normal size puppy when born. she just didn't grow. i couldn't sell her because i didn't find anyone I could trust to safe guard her. so she stayed here.
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I will give it to you that they own the cuteness factor but other than sitting around being cute, what do they do? How doglike can they be? Who do they play with? >snip


Tiny does NOT sit around being cute! grin. she runs and plays all day with the other dogs. Tiny gives them a run for their money let me tell you. She is very doglike. My Yorkies (8) weigh from 2 pounds adult to 9 pounds besides Tiny. She plays with them all. If she wants to play and they are asleep too bad. Tiny jumps right in the middle of them to roust them out and then starts yip yip yip to get their attention. She sounds like a squeak toy. Tiny is no wall flower. She is a very small dog but robust and loves life. I rarely carry her anywhere unless I leave the house. She doesn't do well in public on the floor.
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When Shelby was that size it was fun but frightening. I know how careful you have to be all the time. >snip


Well i'm not really very careful. Tiny lives a normal life except for running in the yard. Tiny mostly stays in the house all the time with just ocasional trips outside to get sunshine. All dogs need sunshine to be healthy.
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I am assuming you are a great Yorkie owner and you love your dog and you do everything you can to keep him safe. But knowing what you know do you think there are that many people just like you? Willing to protect a tiny baby? Aware of what to watch for? >snip


No i do not think a lot of people know what to do for a tiny that's why she is still here! Yikes! I have turned down a considerable price for her. Some people will apparently pay huge sums of money for the tiny ones. but I don't know I just couldn't sell her to just anybody.
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That is part of the reason this is getting beat to death. It's an awareness issue. So many people buy dogs without thinking long term, an isty bitsy one can not survive the short term interest that many people have in them. Tiny dogs are great, but exhausting. >snip


this is a true statement. tiny dogs are exhausting. Tiny is healthy but still I worry. I didn't buy her. She just arrived here by birth. but I do feel it's necessary to give her the best of care which also includes worring about her night and day. But I do try to let her be a normal dog. she walks and runs just like all the other dogs here. she does get lap time too. but Tiny is usually too busy to be in a lap. hahaha
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My dog is more than twice your dogs size!!!!!! :eek:[/QUOTE] >snip

well please do not hold that against me. i'm joking!! as i said i had no control over Tiny. She is truely Gods gift.
Zulu

txshopper73 12-02-2005 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zulu*Dawn
i will try to answer your questions.....I am not offended....

shelbysmom]Okay...I have to ask. What do you "do" with a 1 1/2 lb. dog? I am not being critical, I am very curious and trying to picture it. Did you want a dog that small? Did you buy from someone that breeds for tinies? >snip


Well Tiny is pretty healthy inspite of her size. she never has had low blood sugar. she eats only dry dog food. she sleeps in her crate every nite. she's too small be in my bed. No I didn't buy her. I bred her. her parents are 6 pounds each. she was the only puppy in her litter. she was normal size puppy when born. she just didn't grow. i couldn't sell her because i didn't find anyone I could trust to safe guard her. so she stayed here.
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I will give it to you that they own the cuteness factor but other than sitting around being cute, what do they do? How doglike can they be? Who do they play with? >snip


Tiny does NOT sit around being cute! grin. she runs and plays all day with the other dogs. Tiny gives them a run for their money let me tell you. She is very doglike. My Yorkies (8) weigh from 2 pounds adult to 9 pounds besides Tiny. She plays with them all. If she wants to play and they are asleep too bad. Tiny jumps right in the middle of them to roust them out and then starts yip yip yip to get their attention. She sounds like a squeak toy. Tiny is no wall flower. She is a very small dog but robust and loves life. I rarely carry her anywhere unless I leave the house. She doesn't do well in public on the floor.
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When Shelby was that size it was fun but frightening. I know how careful you have to be all the time. >snip


Well i'm not really very careful. Tiny lives a normal life except for running in the yard. Tiny mostly stays in the house all the time with just ocasional trips outside to get sunshine. All dogs need sunshine to be healthy.
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I am assuming you are a great Yorkie owner and you love your dog and you do everything you can to keep him safe. But knowing what you know do you think there are that many people just like you? Willing to protect a tiny baby? Aware of what to watch for? >snip


No i do not think a lot of people know what to do for a tiny that's why she is still here! Yikes! I have turned down a considerable price for her. Some people will apparently pay huge sums of money for the tiny ones. but I don't know I just couldn't sell her to just anybody.
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That is part of the reason this is getting beat to death. It's an awareness issue. So many people buy dogs without thinking long term, an isty bitsy one can not survive the short term interest that many people have in them. Tiny dogs are great, but exhausting. >snip


this is a true statement. tiny dogs are exhausting. Tiny is healthy but still I worry. I didn't buy her. She just arrived here by birth. but I do feel it's necessary to give her the best of care which also includes worring about her night and day. But I do try to let her be a normal dog. she walks and runs just like all the other dogs here. she does get lap time too. but Tiny is usually too busy to be in a lap. hahaha
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My dog is more than twice your dogs size!!!!!! :eek: >snip

well please do not hold that against me. i'm joking!! as i said i had no control over Tiny. She is truely Gods gift.
Zulu

The way you post reminds me of someone.....


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