If I see someone hitting their child, I do step in. I don't care what anyone says. I have a beautiful loving 13 year old daughter who did get a couple of spankings. They were well talked out and only over something very serious. I wanted her to know that running out of the house and into the street would or could have been a horrible accident. We have wrestled harder than any little spanking (very lightly) ever was. You can communicate with children, not dogs. Yes I spanked my daughter, all of about 3 times in her life, but hitting children in public repeatedly makes me ill. The yelling and not giving them attention. You may say I'm a hypocrite but I don't care. There is a difference to me.
As for hitting dogs, you're not supposed to. You can't communicate with them why they are getting hit. I don't think anyone should hit a dog and I have seen people. I get into it with them and they tell me to mind my own business. I tell them the welfare of their dog is my business and I will call them in if they keep it up. They usually stop and call me a name. I don't care. A dog should never be hit unless it's a horrible dogfight and one dog is attacking another. Yes I've been there and rescued a pug getting almost devoured from some large dog. I kept kicking the dog until it stopped. I yelled real loud and saved that pug. Well enough of that.
I put too much on here, but never hit a dog!! PLEASE!!

How much could one possibly post in a week's time. Besides, I have been reading this thread since it started and, until now, have not seen where anyone member has repremanded the other or "beat" any point to death. Like I said...until now.

Why would someone hit a dog? I just don't understand. Please explain to me why you would ever hit your dog and for the reasoning. I really don't know why someone would.

I agree. Often times I will give my tiny puppies away. If I hear someone use the word teacup in an advertisement it is a clear red light that this person knows nothing about the breed and is out to make a buck.

I can also tell what some one is up to when they call and ask about stud service. If they have a gal that is 5 pounds and want to bring the size down on the puppies- you know what they are up too. Would hate to tell you how many of these 5 pound females are lucky to be 4 pounds. They and their owners are sent home without a breeding.

I have a male who throws tiny ones- I have to be very careful with who I breed him with- so that I do not have all little ones. I breed to show- and have show puppies in the ring- those little ones are lovely but not what I want running around my home. Give me 5 pounds and up to 7pounds any day of the week.

I agree...... No dog should be hit for any reason................And I would not breed a female under 5 lbs.

I am one of the folks who gets the calls in the middle of the night from folks on YT who are having problems whelping or when they have puppies that do not eat or have problems. Do you know how many of them could have been answered if the dog's owner was educated and informed before they bred the bitch. All most all of the topics have been discussed on here over and over again. We spend endless hours answering the same questions because they are brought up again and again.

Is it wrong to want a tiny baby no. It is the way that we come about producing them. Are there healthy little yorkies sure there are are- are there sickly ones -yes sir. A lot has to do with how mom was treated during pregnancy and the care that baby got once it hit the ground.

Sometimes things need to be said over and over and over until it is understood.

I agree with you. You can get a small yorkie from regular parents. My Cricket is 5lbs. and her brother Bubba is 10lbs. He was twice her size at 12 weeks and still is. Yorkies can have small, medium, and large pups. Go to a reputable breeder and they should know which ones may stay smaller, but you never know!
I didn't realize the woman that hit her dog came here for help. I would have given her my home phone # and talked to her. If anyone needs help in this area, pm me or email me and I'll give you my phone# so we can talk. If you hit your dogs and want to stop, I commend you for trying.

Yorkiekids hasn't been chased away, she posted today. There were just as many people who defended her on that thread. She knows how I feel about her. I didn't post on that thread because I would not have been nice at all. She made her dog scream bloody murder - he was devasted (her words). While I do admire her for being able to admit it and ask for help, when you state something like that you cannot be surprised to get statements that some consider harsh, I consider blunt and honest. I'm not thin skinned so maybe I see it differently.


Whenever I read the stories about tinies being bred or people loosing it with their dogs it makes me think of all the abuse out there we never hear about. These dogs require so much patience, it's too bad many people don't realize that until after they own them.

Hit my babies? Surely you jest!!! I cannot imagine anything they could do that would make me hit them. Oh my!!!

:rolleyes: Patience has nothing to do with breeding tinies...I don't think they should be bred at all.

Okay...I have to ask. What do you "do" with a 1 1/2 lb. dog? I am not being critical, I am very curious and trying to picture it. Did you want a dog that small? Did you buy from someone that breeds for tinies?

I will give it to you that they own the cuteness factor but other than sitting around being cute, what do they do? How doglike can they be? Who do they play with?

When Shelby was that size it was fun but frightening. I know how careful you have to be all the time.

I am assuming you are a great Yorkie owner and you love your dog and you do everything you can to keep him safe. But knowing what you know do you think there are that many people just like you? Willing to protect a tiny baby? Aware of what to watch for?

That is part of the reason this is getting beat to death. It's an awareness issue. So many people buy dogs without thinking long term, an isty bitsy one can not survive the short term interest that many people have in them. Tiny dogs are great, but exhausting.

My dog is more than twice your dogs size!!!!!! :eek:

Our 6 1/2 week old puppies are bigger that that! I'm not trying to be critical, but speaking for MYSELF ONLY, I just couldn't imagine having a dog the size of our pups that would never be any bigger. Looking at the pups, they seem so fragile... :confused:

I agree!!!
Now I'm stepping away from the computer...it looks like I am arguing with myself in the above posts. lol

i will try to answer your questions.....I am not offended....

shelbysmom]Okay...I have to ask. What do you "do" with a 1 1/2 lb. dog? I am not being critical, I am very curious and trying to picture it. Did you want a dog that small? Did you buy from someone that breeds for tinies? >snip


Well Tiny is pretty healthy inspite of her size. she never has had low blood sugar. she eats only dry dog food. she sleeps in her crate every nite. she's too small be in my bed. No I didn't buy her. I bred her. her parents are 6 pounds each. she was the only puppy in her litter. she was normal size puppy when born. she just didn't grow. i couldn't sell her because i didn't find anyone I could trust to safe guard her. so she stayed here.
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I will give it to you that they own the cuteness factor but other than sitting around being cute, what do they do? How doglike can they be? Who do they play with? >snip


Tiny does NOT sit around being cute! grin. she runs and plays all day with the other dogs. Tiny gives them a run for their money let me tell you. She is very doglike. My Yorkies (8) weigh from 2 pounds adult to 9 pounds besides Tiny. She plays with them all. If she wants to play and they are asleep too bad. Tiny jumps right in the middle of them to roust them out and then starts yip yip yip to get their attention. She sounds like a squeak toy. Tiny is no wall flower. She is a very small dog but robust and loves life. I rarely carry her anywhere unless I leave the house. She doesn't do well in public on the floor.
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When Shelby was that size it was fun but frightening. I know how careful you have to be all the time. >snip


Well i'm not really very careful. Tiny lives a normal life except for running in the yard. Tiny mostly stays in the house all the time with just ocasional trips outside to get sunshine. All dogs need sunshine to be healthy.
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I am assuming you are a great Yorkie owner and you love your dog and you do everything you can to keep him safe. But knowing what you know do you think there are that many people just like you? Willing to protect a tiny baby? Aware of what to watch for? >snip


No i do not think a lot of people know what to do for a tiny that's why she is still here! Yikes! I have turned down a considerable price for her. Some people will apparently pay huge sums of money for the tiny ones. but I don't know I just couldn't sell her to just anybody.
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That is part of the reason this is getting beat to death. It's an awareness issue. So many people buy dogs without thinking long term, an isty bitsy one can not survive the short term interest that many people have in them. Tiny dogs are great, but exhausting. >snip


this is a true statement. tiny dogs are exhausting. Tiny is healthy but still I worry. I didn't buy her. She just arrived here by birth. but I do feel it's necessary to give her the best of care which also includes worring about her night and day. But I do try to let her be a normal dog. she walks and runs just like all the other dogs here. she does get lap time too. but Tiny is usually too busy to be in a lap. hahaha
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My dog is more than twice your dogs size!!!!!! :eek:[/QUOTE] >snip

well please do not hold that against me. i'm joking!! as i said i had no control over Tiny. She is truely Gods gift.
Zulu

The way you post reminds me of someone.....

you sure did have a great eye there Kimberly..... In case anyone needs to know ....Zulu*Dawn wasn't exactly on the up and up in this thread....I understand she and yorkiekids are one and the same ? (posting as 2 people) What a shame that someone who was pointing fingers was also scamming us ...makes you wonder what else isn't true in her posts.

The thread is still informative even if one person wasn't legit.

EXACTLY! :thumbup:

>snip <g>

I knew something wasn't right with this person and the manner they posted. Caught it just in time!

Isnt that against the rules? I thought you could only have one ussername?????/

I believe that admin has taken care of this problem. :thumbup:

Villette misspelled the user name...it's yorkykids. :D

Kimberley, nice catch. I noticed Yorkiekids did the snip and grin thing in her posts but didn't notice it in Zulu Dawns. I need to pay more attention. She had me fooled.

Glad to see you guys still on the job! I can't see any reason to be mad enough at a dog to hit them. I usually pick mine up and brush them, that scares them to death, makes me feel better and makes them look better. (I still brush softly)

I also kept my little girl (and all the rest), our real estate broker offered me $2500 for her a couple of weeks ago - she is 3 pounds. But one litter was enough for me to realize that no-one is good enough to take care of my babies and I don't want more than six!!!

Alright! I have to confess! I ask Kacee all of the time if I can spank her tiny hiney! Then she gets lots of love pats! :p That's about as brutal as we get around here! :D

If you are referring to me here, I may not breed but I certainly have stayed up all night, many nights in a row trying to save the life of a tiny and I did it. I syringe fed that baby every three hours for days when the vet told me he would die and had already written him off. I refused to give up. I knew very little about yorkies at the time but was lucky enough to have a very knowledgeable breeder close by who helped me save his life.

Tiny yorkies are not for everyone just as yorkies are not for everyone. They can be difficult to care for and really need 24/7 supervision. I have a job but I can take my dogs anywhere with me and I do. When I do have to leave them I have six people in my family and there is almost always someone home. I do not recommend anyone with a schedule that does not allow them to be with their little yorkie most of the time getting a tiny for sure....maybe not even a yorkie period unless the dog has a companion when the owner has o be gone for a long time. I also do not think they belong in homes with small children. Do i condemn the people on here who have tinies and cannot be with them 24/7 or who have small children? Of course not. They made the decisions they felt were right and I respect that and believe in their assertion that they feel it is perfectly okay for the dog.

I would never hit a dog any more than I would hit a child or another human being. It is abuse any way you look at it. I do strongly believe in the need for obedience training for the safety and well being of the animals but I believe in reward training and the use of praise as opposed to negative training philosophies.

I have no problem with breeding tiny males.

As for breeding tiny females, after all I have learned recently, I think I would set the size limit at 4 lbs and that would only be if the dog was wide in the torso and was tested fit for pregnancy and was cared for throughout by a reproductive specialist, not just a general vet, but then, I would require all of my females to be under the care of a reproductive specialist if I were a breeder.

I am not a breeder but I can still learn about the hobby and form opinions from what I learn as we all do in life.

I think there is also a lot of hypocracy among people who own tinies and tell others not to get them but then turn right around and get another one!! I see this over and over and zi find it so hypocritical and self righteous....it's like saying...it's okay for me to own a tiny, but not you!!

I think there is a general prejudice against tinies on this board just as there is against mixed breed dogs and yorkies of a "different color". I find this unfortunate and just wish people would be less judgmental and more accepting of the innate good in people instead of always assuming the worst and not believing what someone says. In my opinion, we all lose as a result.

KIm..SoCalyorkiLvr :confused: :confused: :confused:

Let's not cloud the issue ok ?

No offense but This Thread is about BREEDING a Tiny Yorkie Female. Males don't go thru Pregnancy and C-Sections -

There is NO predjudice on this board against having tinies - there are many people here with adorable, precious, very loved, tiny little yorkies. There IS predjudice against BREEDING these small babies -

There is a BIG difference in HAVING ONE and BREEDING one.

Honestly.... I don't understand your reasoning sometimes - no one is saying people shouldn't have very small yorkies. If you still think it's ok to breed tiny females maybe you should read this thread - http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...6&page=1&pp=15

Thanks for jumping in. I never said your name Southern Cal. I do not know why you jumped in I did not accuse you of anything.

I will stand by what I said in my previous posts- I do not bred tiny yorkies - I do not breed to produce tiny yorkies. Do I have tiny yorkies- yes, some- they are naturally produced in my breeding program of yorkies that weigh 5-7 pounds. If I have a litter that is all 41/2 or less as adults will I repeat the breeding NO- I am breeding to produce dogs that can be taken into the show ring and ones that IMO are large enough to breed. I will not and do not encourage breeding small yorkies- I got a phone call a week ago about this same topic and was quite firm on my reasons when the person wanted to buy a small girl to breed.

I will also stand by my thought that we have some folks on here who know it all regardless of the topic- that is part of life- it would not matter what the subject is they will have a answer- right or wrong. Many times it is wrong.
You will find folks like this in all walks of life- you just have to put up with them and their comments and try to educate. You will be suprised that after a period of time how many people begin to understand and recongize that those blowhearts just like to hear themseves talk and cause contreversy.
My goal is that a newbie does not ger hurt in the process.

We are lucky to have a group on here who do care about the breed and those asking questions and will try and give you the truth in black and white and share their experiences good and bad.

I am alo learning to use my ignore button to block off some of those who tend to yank my chain. Just laugh to myself and keep a going.

Wow, you guys were good to catch our dual identity person. That is just crap for adults to do things like that. So much for credibility there :thumbdown :thumbdown . Should be banned from the sight

I got a chuckle out of this thread towards the end myself - I have yet to see any debates over breeding tiny MALES....but hopefully some people are now seeing how dangerous it is for the tiny girls to have babies and maybe we won't see so many debates over this issue in the future ?

To add to it....it's pretty funny how the member Zulu*Dawn was saying how wonderful the member 'yorkykids' was and how wise she is about yorkies - when she was actually talking about her own self....signed in as 2 different members.....

hehe - I guess you have to give her an A for being creative. :rolleyes:

It is sad to see that some are abusing their babies, whether it be from spanking or from breeding them when they are to tiny. AKC, or any other registery, should set a firm law against breeding Tinies, anything under 5lbs. Yes that would be hard to regulate, but maybe we as breeders should have to provide AKC with a vet form of some sorts stating that our female is 5lbs or over. If someone does not provide that info than their litter should not be registerable. Alright I live in a dream world, but I like it.
As for catching that women that is hilarious that she thought that she could get away with it, after all she is not the first to be caught at doing this.

I know I am not an expert, but after one litter with a 7 pound mom, I know it would be horrifying to put a tiny girl through that, and if the pups were a small bit less healthy - It would cost more than you could ever make just to keep them alive - IF you didn't lose your little mom, too. My little 3 pound girl is so precious to me, I could not imagine trying to breed her - I just love her too much to take that chance. I was so worried about Zowie those last few days before whelping. I guess I think anyone who would consider it has no heart for living creatures.

I totally agree Laura~

While I respect the breeders on here and elsewhere who breed "responsibly" I could NEVER breed one of my own no matter how big they were. The horror stories are just too much for me to read, much less live through.... :( The risk to the lives of the mother and the puppies is just too much for me.

Kathy~ I do not act like a "know it all" or a "blowheart" (sic) any more than you do. You say you don't breed tiny females and you criticize me for having an opinion on the subject since I don't breed at all although I have had to nurse a sick tiny. For your logic to be relevant, no one would be allowed to offer an opinion unless they had actually bred a tiny female.

And everyone knows you were referring to me in your post so to try to pretend otherwise now is sort of silly, isn't it? I commend you on using your ignore button if you are unable to handle differing points of view without being respectful and civil. And, my goal is the same as yours on here...I have coached many newbies through syringe feeding a little one who is not eating, encouraging them to train their dogs for their safety, educating about coccidia, livershunt, luxating patellas and hypoglycemia, all of which I have researched thoroughly and have opinions on as a pet owner and breed fancier.

To try to infer that I somehow do not love this breed and these babies as much as those who show or breed for the show standard because I have different opinions and always have the best interest of the dog at heart, is self righteous and closed minded at best and down right prejudicial at worst.

And Villette~ There is definitely a prejudice against having or wanting tinies. You said you found fault with those "wanting tinies" in your earlier post on this very thread. Well, I believe there are perfectly legitimate reasons for wanting a smaller yorkie and I judge no one for it. Do I believe anyone and everyone should own one? NO! Just as I do not believe that everyone should have a yorkie. I can think of many many forum members who have said "I own one, but I don't advise anyone else to", they tell everyone how "sickly" they are and how careful you have to be, and how fragile they are, etc to dissuade people from them, and then they go right and get a second one. Or, there are members who own larger ones and say they would never have a tiny because they are "sickly, fragile and timid" and they go right out and buy one!! I just find that sad that these little dogs who are every bit the tenacious "Big Dog in the Little Dog Body" that their larger counterparts are and they get criticized all the time and portrayed as tiny and sick.

The truth is you can have a sickly, fragile, timid 5 lber as easily as you can a three lber, and you can have an aggressive, healthy, alpha in a 2 lber!! Tinies are no more innately fragile or sickly than 5 lbers in my experience.

And, I was not "clouding the issue" by stating that there is nothing wrong with breeding a tiny male since the thread didn't address a difference in sexes and we are here to educate. There are a lot of newbies to the breed who may think it is somehow bad to breed any tiny regardless of sex. It may be a silly thing in your opinion which didn't need stating, but I simply felt otherwise. Please do not harshly criticize me for thinking such.

I agree you shouldn't breed tinies or hit your pet.
But also you can't compare a 3 month old human to a 3 month old dog. :lol tears
3 month old humans can't even crawl yet let alone walk, no one would even consider sitting their 3 month old baby on the potty chair, but you do consider taking your 3 month old pup to the pee pad or outside, so no comparison. :confused:
Young pups have small bladders and you have to keep an eye on them closely and take them out many many times a day.
I would never hit my baby, but be ready to make some noise when you see them ready to do their business and take them where they need to be and praise and treat them.
I can't even understand why this thread was started in the first place?