What to do about lying yorkie seller?
 

Hello, my wife purchased a yorkie pup that we named newton approx. 1 month ago. He is currently 17 weeks old and weighs almost 7 pounds.

The seller of the dog is a claimed breeder, however newton was bred by a "family friend". Who lives "just up the road in the mountains."

We were told newtons parents were 4 lb and 5 lb. And that newton will be no more than 5 lb. The vet said newton may be around 10 to 12 lb fully grown. We also discovered that per the akc papers, the breeder lives 6 hr away.


When I called the seller and told him what the vet said about newtons weight, the idiot said. "he ain't Gunna be no ten pound!"


Newton is healthy and happy now, although when we bought him he had a respiratory infection that was easily cured, however the seller claimed it was "a sore throat". We didn't want to give him up because it was an instant love connection.

What should I do if anything?

I don't think you can do anything other than love him! It sounds like he is happy and healthy and will be a little more to love than you originally thought. Most breeders will tell you they can't guarantee adult size only give an estimation. Love to see pictures of Newton.

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That is so sad..I hope you love your baby anyway :) 8 or 10 lb is not so big..

As far as what size he will be, there is nothing you can do. A sick pup, is another story. Check if there are puppy lemon laws in your state that might help you.

I am not sure if I understand .. The seller and the breeder are different? Was there any contract? Do you have any proof who the parents were?

I think if you have a healthy happy puppy you may be lucky and would not want to "give" him back! Even the best of breeders can not guarantee size. Lesson learned

I bet you are so iove you will be glad you have the little guy and will forget about size. we want to see pictures

I had this problem when I got my little baby! She said her dogs were yorkies... and that they were 3 and 5 pounds.... i know just by looking at them that they were almost 10, if not 10 or 11 pounds! Now after I am watching my pup grow my gut is telling me he is not a yorkie, but possibly a silky or silky terrier mix.....
She also told me he was going to be maybe 5 pounds full grown. he is 12 weeks, 3.8 pounds! Vet says he is going to be maybe 10-12 full grown
but everyone else is right, all you can do is love him!
I'm so attached to my puppy, i don't know what breed he is or is mixed with, but i do know that he's adorable!

Many puppies get an Upper Respiratory Infection right when they go to a new home due to the stress of the initial car ride home, being in new surroundings and with new people. Very stressfull for a new puppy, and can weaken their immune system until they become acclimated.

THanks.


Forgot to mention, I received the AKC papers 2 weeks (and 2 vet visits) after i purchased him. On the contract, the seller wrote Newton's birthdate as 9/23/11, the papers notated his actual birthdate as 9/01/11, as well. The vet thinks that the seller gave us a later birth date so we'd think Newton was further along with his shots.

I thought it was common knowledge people who pay for a purebred puppy like a yorkie will tend to pay a higher price for a smaller animal. Its obvious the seller is deceiving buyers to make a lucrative sale.. My point is, sellers should just be honest, or if they don't know... they should not lie. This guy runs a "business" so i didn't know if there was any means of reporting.


Also, on the respiratory infection.. Newton was hacking as soon as we bught him, before even takign him out of his travel cage to go into our house.. The vet said it wasn't kennel cough.

Thanks for the replies.

FWIW, You should be happy the dog will be a little larger. All of this breeding to bring the dogs in at a smaller size usually jsut ends up with dogs with more health problems. 3-5 lb dogs are NOT what the breed should be. They should be 7-12 lbs.

The smaller dogs are usually plagued with high dollar vet visits. Less than happy lives, and shorter life spans.

I would say spend your time and efforts loving Newton. Welcome to YT and would love to see pictures of his little face. :)

Also, breed standards are 4-7 lbs.

If you are really interested in seeing the parents, you could try contacting the breeder, tell them you have acquired one of their adorable puppies with whom you had "an instant love connection", and can hardly stand waiting to see what he might look like all grown up...so, "pardon my intrusion, but," and then inquire if they have a website where you can see photos of sire and dam, or perhaps they would be willing to email you photos of them, or, "gosh, it would just be heavenly if I could visit your kennel and see the sire and dam in person"... If they are unwilling to comply with any of your requests, you have lost nothing...you still have your heart's desire...probably chewing on one of your 'good' shoes...or ripping toilet paper to shreds...or...! :rolleyes: I see no point to mentioning your dog's current weight in your request 'cuz a dog's gonna get as big as he's gonna get...no one can give you a guarantee, and there are additional factors besides heredity that influence size, such as food...hormones given to the animals that comprise the feed, etc. ;)

Good luck to you and your new little one...and put up some pictures, please! :D

Maybe my math is wrong, but if his real birthday is 9/1 than isn't he more like 20 weeks. I am thinking this must be your first yorkie because you probably could not judge his weight when you purchased him. If your dog is almost 7 lbs now I am assuming he was about 5 lbs or larger when you purchased him, at that age he weight would most likely close to double so it would be impossibe to wind up witha five lb full grown dog. So you vet is most likely on target when he says he will be 10-12 lbs. I see this happen with many first time purchasers and unfortunately there are so many people out their breeding for profit that people get taken all the time. I have always prefered to buy a dog over 3-4 months old because you get a better indication on what the mature size, color, and coat will be. Like others have said you may have wanted smaller but there are a lot of worries with the tiny ones, this one will be able to play hard, do stairs easily, jump better, etc. Did you pay a lot for the dog and by a lot I mean over $1,000.00 if you paid in the area of $400-$600 then I don't think you have much of a beef. Also regarding who the breeder is and all that, so much depends on what you were given in writing to see if you have a chance on getting a partial refund, I am assuming that is what you are after, and from experience that will be hard to get.

Sounds like a broker sold you a puppy, to me. Enjoy him regardless;) Would love to see pics of him and his name is so cute!!!

I don't think you can do anything. Breeders really don't know how much the puppy is doing to weigh until they are an adult its normally just a best guess. There are many yorkies who are over 7 pounds, mine being one of them at 16 pounds. He sounds like he could be a broker and probably got the dog from a back yard breeder or a puppy mill that's why researching a breeder before you get the dog is so very important.

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My experiance is still the little larger the dog, the more healthy they seem. Not as many probs with collapsed treachea, stomach probs, etc.

You should meet Callie she is 16 pounds has mild collapsing trachea, allergies, LP in both legs, acl tore in one leg meaning the other is eventually going to also, her tummy can have some probs to and vet gave us a probiotic.

I thought breed standard was not to exceed 7 pounds?

Our prvious Yorkie was 10-12 lbs and had less probs than Andy does(6lbs).

I think people are missing the point of this thread..

But you all are correct, i'm glad he'll be a bit larger and I am happy with the little baby, its so fun to have him cuddle between Heidi and I every night before bed.

Lol...a lot of times threads go a stray. Just like conversations in person.

Yes, I think you purchased from a broker, and yes the breed standard is up to 7 lbs. But that is not what you wanted to have our opinions on.

Yes the broker is a busness and he got what he wanted..to sell you a dog. I am sure you can fight the sale but that may mean giving the pup back and it sounds like you love him so you won't want to do that.

A lot of members on yt learn a lot about buying/ adopting that when they get a second dog they do it differently than the first time.

I wish fsor yrou many happy years with your new puppy.. Lots of love.. And lots of learning on yt. I hope you take that broker down! Lol. Make complaints with bbb.. Let others know,

I sounds like Newton was purchased from either a broker or a satellite breeder. As far as I can tell there really is nothing you can do about to man you purchased the puppy from because he lied to you about his birthday and possible adult size. What is the name of this "breeder" so that everyone knows to steer clear. ;)

Some dishonest breeders switch AKC litter registration papers around as they see fit. They have so many dogs and so many litters that it is an easy thing to do. When you come home with a pup that is coughing it sometimes indicates over crowded conditions. Sounds like the people you got your little guy from were far from "quality" breeders. If the only sickness you had to deal with was a cough then I would say you got off pretty easily considering the heartbreak some others have had to deal with.

If you ever buy another dog you might want to study some of the information on this site and research the breeders you contact and get references you can contact. There are way too many people selling dogs for profit without thought of what they are doing to the breed. Many of the online ads you see are just puppy mills in disguise. Many of the backyard breeders are very close to being puppy mills as well. You might want to look up the laws in your county and state and see if there is any way you can turn these people in. The more places like that that are shut down the better.

I'm glad you love the little guy anyway. Many of these dogs are later abandoned or sent to shelters because the owner is disappointed in their purchase.

I prefer bigger yorkies (no offense the small ones are great too) but honestly I don't think that bigger ones are healthier then smaller ones when breed right.

A lot of times brokers will fudge the birthdates so that the pups seems smaller and they say they are younger or older to fit in with whatever story they are trying to feed you.

I would contact the actual breeder and ask some questions about the dam and sire's weight and overall health.

Many of us didn't get our first babies from the right places, myself included, but it's what you do once you know the truth that matters. Just keep him and love him, but next time, research the breeder before you buy. You should choose your breeder first, before you choose your pup. A good breeder will be available to you for life, just like a good friend. Not turn their back on you once they've gotten your money.

Yes this seller did lie to you and did misrepresent the size of the Yorkie he was selling you and actually he lied on the documents he submitted as your post states
"Forgot to mention, I received the AKC papers 2 weeks (and 2 vet visits) after i purchased him. On the contract, the seller wrote Newton's birthdate as 9/23/11, the papers notated his actual birthdate as 9/01/11, as well. The vet thinks that the seller gave us a later birth date so we'd think Newton was further along with his shots."

I would look into whether they are registered with the better business bureau and make a complaint through them and also perhaps post a complaint on Ripoff Report | Scams, reviews, complaints, lawsuits and frauds. File a report, post your review. Consumers educating consumers. Also if you mention the business here you can add a tag and if anyone is doing a Google search on the business this thread will come up. It may not help you but it will warn others and help get the truth out about this Breeder?Greeder?Broker?Con Artist. I would love to see pictures of your baby and we have a special thread here for the plus size Yorkie called the Teapot club http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...apot-club.html and it is one of the fun threads on this forum. Welcome and best wishes to you.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...apot-club.html <---you should go here.

If you still have the contract, I would contact the AKC and report the discrepancy between the two, sending copies to them. I am not sure if there is much that can be done, but I would start there. If your vet is willing to say the pup was sick at the time of purchase, you might be able to go to small claims court to get your vet bills covered, depending on the laws in your state.

I would also follow the other advice you were given about reporting him to the BBB or fulling out business reviews online about this breeder. We also have a breeder review section here at YT if you would like to share your exp w others in hopes that they do not fall prey to this breeder.

As far as the size, that is a hard thing to get a guarantee.

Duh, I meant "filling out reviews" not "fulling" - need more caffeine.

I agree, you've already proven to be a worthy and loving parent to him, so just keep it up.
Have you ever seen the movie Deliverance, I'd say stay away from them thar mountain folk.
And the talk of size brings up a something I've been reading. When parents contain the small gene and you end up with a 3-4 lb dog, it can live a full and healthy life. If on the other hand, your pup was the runt of a regular litter who's parents are not known to carry the small gene, then it would be in the best interest of the breeder to give that dog away, with no health guarante and inform the owner of all the potential health issues they may encounter.

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