Oh God no not the same vet!!!!!!

The incision is all closed, the vet today said it is looking really good besides the bruising and swelling.

She ate a little on her own tonight and seems to be mostly comfortable, she wanders around the room every so often, so she is definately getting a little more active.

That is good news. She must be feeling some relief from the pain meds! :)

So did you pay with a credit card? Isn't there some recourse from the bank if you did?

Glad to hear she is sleeping and wandering around.

As I read this again it seems to me that the spay was done....and then she woke up during the dental??

I mean, I cannot believe a vet would do a spay like that.

ugh! I just read through this thread and still am in disbelief that your baby was put thru this. Glad to hear that her pain seems to be managed now. Hoping that she gets better soon.

I have no problem with them scaling the teeth while they come out of the anthesthia..scaling is not painful..it is just easier and faster when they are whoozy!! Like humans using laughing gas...

I am just saying that I think we all may have misunderstood something here. I think in rereading that post that the spay had already been done...I don't thin the vet found the dog to be conscious and then proceeded to spay her!!
That is the way it sounded, but when I went back it did not appear to be that way to me.

I am totally confused anyway. She says it is a foster...but backtracked and said no...she failed and adopted her. Then, in a later post she said that the director of the rescue is calling the vet. Not that that has much to do with it. Just that I wonder if the communication is coming across in a way that we are not understanding the op?

AND...I would have a serious problem with them doing anything to my pup if he/she was having issues with anesthesia! Except of course for closing up an incision or something that HAD to be done.

:yeahthat:

I definitely agree with this. They had an obligation to let you know...before the surgery, giving you the option of not having it done.

No I paid with my debit card, I called my bank to ask them if they could reverse the charges but being the weekend have not gotten an answer yet.

Ladyjane...

Just to try to be clearer, Nya came to me on May 18 as a foster, my hubby failed fostering but that was only on Thursday and I had not had a chance to tell rescue we wanted to adopt her until after all of this happened Friday. So when I called the state director of the rescue i told her what had happened and near the end of the conversation asked her what the procedure was to adopt her. So technically she is still the rescues dog until all the paperwork for the adoption is done, however to us she is our dog...hope that makes more sense.

As far as the surgery, EVERYTHING was done while Nya was NOT completely anethestized, they could not get her under. The vet said "She was on such a light plain, she overrode the breathing machine and was breathing on her own, when we tried to increase the anesthetic her heartrate dropped so we backed it off again" So I asked her "Are you telling me she felt the surgery?" She replied "I do not know how much she may or may not have felt, she was not accepting the anesthetic and would not go into a deep state of anesthesia" I left it alone because I was absorbing what she said and I called my husband to ask him.....He lost his mind. He said if that little girl was breathing on her own she was NOT under (He is an ER nurse but used to be an OR nurse) So when i went to pick Nya up I spoke (yelled) to the vet I asked her WHY on earth she would have proceeded with the spay if she knew Nya was not deep under, she just said well she was under but she was just on a very light plain. So I re-asked, did she feel pain during her spay? She repeated again she could not say forsure how much Nya may have felt.

She then went on to say they pulled 7 teeth and her bottom jaw felt "soft" and her 2 bottom canines may be loose, and they did not clean her teeth as well as they would have liked, but they wanted to get out and get her awake. Now that kind of makes me angry as well, AFTER they spay her and pull 7 teeth with her on a "very light plain", NOW they are concerned with getting out and getting her awake, to me this should have been the concern when they realized she was not accepting the anesthetic....no?

Definitely clearer! :)

Very sad story.

I just got back from the vet yet again with Nya. Her swelling was more pronounced this morning and she was tender to even touch her flanks, the vet said she is terribly bruised and swollen so he did an xray to make sure she had no bleeding in her belly. She did not thankfully. He gave her a shot of metacam for inflammation and a shot of ace promazine to calm her down a little and gave her sub q fluids. He said if she is not eating and drinking on her won by tomorrow I have to call him. She is to be on metacam for the next 5-7 days for swelling nad pain plus the torbutrol.

She seems much calmer now.

This is ridiculous. This baby should NOT be having to deal with this much. Rosie was acting like her old self within about 48 hours of her spay. We had to keep her calm but she did not have any complications. There has got to be something that can be done. Other pet owners need to know that she is not a responsible vet in my opinion. I would dispute the charges for sure if your bank allows it. Not even counting the two trips to the ER vet that she should be responsible for. Maybe your husband needs to go have a chat with her too. I feel so sorry for this baby!

My heart is breaking for her. She is VERY high right now, she can hardly hold her eyes open. That is the ace promazine, but at least she seems comfortable now, she has stopped crying, she was crying so hard this morning and while we were at the vet. Mind you I was crying myself, the vet had said at first they may have to open her up again so he wanted to check for blood in her belly because of the amount of swelling she has. I just breathed a big sigh of relief when her belly was clear. Shaune is beside himself, he wants to go see the vet that did this and I told him no because I could not leave Nya alone to come bail him out of jail. I have NEVER seen a dog bruise and swell this bad from a freaking spay. And I still do not understand why they did not abort the procedure until we could find a way to do it without her feeling it. She did take a treat just now, so she is interested in eating, daddy said she gets chicken nuggets tonight (they are her favorite) and while not the healthiest thing she can have, at least she will have something in her belly and maybe just entice her to realize"hey I like food" normally she is a good eater.

I am just sick over all of this, so is Shaune (he is pretty attached to this baby girl) in the 6 years we have been married the only times I have seen him even close to this upset about the dogs is when we lost Romeo and Theo.

I was told I should write a review of this vet on Angies list....I think I just might, plus anywhere else that one can post reviews on vets, i sure do not want another baby to go thru this. This weekend has been a weekend from H*ll. I just hope we can keep her comfortable now, between the metacam and the torbutrol maybe we can keep a handle on it. Plus I do have extra ace promazine if absolutely needed.

Now i do not mind paying vet bills, however since Friday we have put out: 400.00 for surgery
195.00 for ER visit and treatment yesterday
250.00 for Er visit and xrays and treatment today
and the last 450.00 should NOT have been neccesary IMO. Hopefully she does not need to go back in now except for her 2 week check up.

You might check out a few other places as well. I am not sure about them but one is Veterinary Malpractice, Veterinary Negligence, Veterinary Abuse and the other is Home Page Some others said The Better Business Bureau and or the Veterinary medical board. I would get her name out to as many people as possible.

Have your husband call her. That way you don't have to bail him out of jail. ;) As far as the $450 ER bills, I think the only option there is seeing an attorney. They will let you know what the chances of you getting the money would be.

Poor baby. Hope she will start down the road of recovery. :(

Wow. First of all, I can't believe that your Vet actually fessed up to the fact that they don't know how much pain she actually felt. This would have been pretty easy for them to cover up - seeing as how Nya wasn't going to say anything.

Heck, even a regular doctor would have tried to cover that one up! Waking during anesthesia is a huge liability issue for the hospital/facility for people anyway.

That said, I just can't believe they went through with the spay. Plus, all the outside and additional treatment you have had to pay for. I believe that I would be writing them a nice, factual letter; outlining all that went wrong; all the additional expense; your consideration of reporting them; and asking for a refund.

The letter should be non-emotional and factual. Have someone help you if necessary.

I really hope your girl has a full recovery and is back to her old self.

I'm glad to hear you took her back to the vet. I've got to agree w that vet, her abdomen is concerning looking. (I too have a human med background/education/yrs of exp.) It is also concerning how much pain med she is on. I'm sure your husband is monitoring her while on this much med. If no better, I would consider asking for antibiotic, even if it is just prophylactic precaution bc of the way the abdomen looks. (I'm sure your husband has thought of this also w the nosocomial infection rates we see in hospitals.) I would consider getting a thermometer (you probably already have one) to monitor for temp increases that would help indicate infection or postop bleeding.

I'm so sorry you and your husband are going through this. I know what good care you have taken of animals in your care - this has got to be extremely upsetting to the both of you!

I know it's not the $ with you - it's what you have to keep putting this poor pup through when this should have been a fairly common procedure. I would still hold the operating dr liable for these additional monies.

I don't blame him giving the chicken nuggets - my husband would be doing the same. We will hold your little one and both of you in our prayers. Please let us know if you need anything or if you just need to vent.

Gosh! I'm wondering if all that trauma she is now evincing was from an operation done while the dog was moving or struggling some! I hate to even suggest it but it sound like there was a lot of injury at surgery from something going on. Golly, I am sorry she - and you and your poor husband are having to go through this - "and pay for the privilege" as they say! That vet did all that to your poor dog and had the temerity to force you to pay to get medication for the pain and injury the vet caused! I hope your baby has a better week to come than she has just had! Bless her little heart!

Still praying for your family and your littleone.

I just read this thread. I would be so furious if this happened to any of my pets. I have heard of humans feeling their surgery while they were under. They said they could not move or speak but they felt every bit of what was done to them.
What I don't understand is why is your dog in such a horrible physical state because of this? It sounds like a butcher job they did on her. It's one thing to be able to feel the surgery but that does not explain the horrible surgery quality that was done. It sounds like this small town vet does not have a valid assistant to help her with her surgeries. If she is trying to do surgery and attend to the anesthesia and instruments all alone she is risking the lives of her patients.
It is true that to relieve pain you must maintain a constant level of the drug in your blood stream for it to be effective. You do this by giving the med at exactly every 6 or 8 or whatever hours it says to give it. Otherwise the level goes down and pain goes up and then it takes more med and longer to lessen the pain again. Although your baby may seem foggy for a few days at least she will not be in such awful pain and that will help with the recovery. The distress and fear that the pain causes your baby will lessen the bodies ability to cope.
I hope you find a good vet you can trust even if you have to drive a while to get there. I would never enter that place again if I were you.

Just checking in to see how your furbaby feels this morning.

we are off to the vets again, Nya still will not eat or take water so he wants to run bloodwork, I guess I will know more after this visit.

I heard from the vet that did the surgery, I told her what we have gone thru with Nya this weekend and she said "oh she needs to be seen right away, you can bring her here if you like" I jut laughed and said Not freaking likely. I told her she should not have done the sugery that this little girl should not have to suffer like she is and all she said was "I made a judgement call" I said well then your judgement sucks. She then went on to tell me it had come to her attention that I had posted what happened on the internet, i said why yes I did. She said no more about it. I do not know how she found out I posted here. I asked her to fax all of Nya's records to the other vet and confirmed with them that they had recieved them so they have her old bloodwork to compare with. the vet that did the surgery also said, well this is not a normal reaction, i said, really, you think???? she said Nya must have some changes in her bloodwork since it was taken that caused this to happen, I said her bloodwork was JUST done, how can changes have happened? She had no reply. I told her she was very lucky to be dealing with me and not my husband. So I really got nowhere with her.

I can envision myself in jail if I were in your shoes here, but that's unproductive.
However be careful making comments like:"you are lucky you are dealing with me & not my husband" it could come back ugly & twisted on you

Seriously, I commend you for what you said and the responses you got in dealing with this vet...I'd probably get so upset I'd be blabber obscenities through tears.

I'm so very sorry you, & your furkid went through this, glad you DH is so supportive.

"a judgment call" Really? Well that says a lot about the judgments and calls this vet makes. Best interest of the patient(?)...this was a routine procedure that seem to have taken a serious detour down nightmare lane.

^^Everything I was thinking.^^ Poor, poor baby. Sending hugs and prayers for a speedy, pain-free recovery. :(

I too would blast her on every site I can find. In California Yelp is pretty popular as well, not sure about in your area, but just the same that is a really horrible experience for both you and your dog.. What a horrible vet.. I hope this experience teaches her a lesson in consequences as she looses business and possibly faces consequences from the licensing board.

Honestly, what would she expect an owner to do? Just go home and say nothing about a little dog that just suffered the worst type of pain possible and is now swollen and in more pain? Maybe there is a veternary review panel in your state that takes complaints about addle brained vets.
I assume she wanted the fee for the surgery and would not have made as much money if she had not done the procedure. She should have errored on the side of caution rather than making a \'judgement call\' that endangered the animal.

Did you lose Nya? What is this thread about?
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