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IBC vs. BTRA vs. BBTR registries for Biewers I am seeing SO MANY different registeries for Biewers. I don't know which one is equivalent to AKC for yorkies? :confused::confused: |
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It can be confusing, each one has some differing ideas about Biewers and can't agree with the other. I'm not up on which one is best but maybe some of our Biewer breeders will chime in for you. Maybe you can ask in the breeders section. Teresa |
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None. They are nor recognized by the German Kennel Club, FCI, nor the Akc or Canadian Kennel Club. |
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The Biewer Terrier has been accepted by the KUSA, Kennel Union South Africa, which is equivalent to the AKC here in the USA. They are under contract with AKC and are under FCI. Many of the BTCA members are now displaying the results on their websites of the genetic testing for purity of the Biewer Terrier. IBC is the International Biewer Club that allows the Biewers to be bred back into the AKC Yorkshire Terrier and will give you IBC registration once you register your AKC Yorkshire Terrier with them per Dagmar, President of the IBC. BBIR also accepts IBC registrations to register with them. The BTRA will not accept IBC registrations unless they are tested with the Wisdom Panel and come back purebred Biewer Terriers. |
There are many MANY other registries in Germany other than the IBC that register purebred Biewers as well as Biewers that breed back to yorkies (as that is still common practice of many breeders in the country of origin) The BNR is also a club in the States that registers purebred Biewers and I have been told there is one more, however I do not know that as fact. The BBIR only registers Biewer to Biewer breeding. Diana :animal-pa |
After doing my research, I wanted my own questions answered regarding the Biewer a la pon pom, the Biewer breed and the Biewer Terrier so I went to a show venue last month in New Jersey, ARBA in hopes to be able to see some of these dogs. To my delight, there were 7 Biewer Terriers being shown and what was really interesting, AKC Yorkshire Terriers were also there. I spoke to a Mr. Robert Slack who runs ARBA to get a better understanding as to why both Yorkshire Terriers and Biewer Terriers were being shown. He told me they have now gone ALL BRED under the KC USA and Rare Breed under ARBA. He explained the Biewer Terrier breed to me and said he only accepts 4 generations out now on a pedigree for the Biewer to be shown in his venue. No Black/Tan etc. etc. is allowed on the pedigree to be shown in his venue. Apparently, because of the genetic marker now established for the Biewer Terrier he is convinced it is a purebred dog in its own right. I then had the pleasure of talking with these breeders and see with my own eyes the difference in the breed. There were 3 BTCA members there I believe, and an YTCA member showing her Yorkshire terrier and Biewer Terrier. I was amazed to see the difference in the two breeds. Even the one judge was kind enough to point different things out to me regarding the standard and what he sees in the difference of the two breeds. At one point I asked them if this breed was exclusively of the Yorkshire Terrier and they explained to me there is where the difference lies. The Biewer Terrier has other breeds mixed in with it. I believe they said the Maltese, Shih Tzu, traces of others breeds that I can’t remember offhand. However, I could definitely see the Shih Tzu in it. I was also fascinated to learn they all have von Friedhecks kennel name in the pedigrees and they told me those are Werner Biewers lines, the developer of the breed. I was so intrigued I went home with all the information that was given to me and started contacting clubs, people, etc. etc. I wanted my own questions answered directly from the sources of all clubs and interested parties. Here are the people I contacted for those wanting to do their own research. KUSA’s website http://www.kusa.co.za/kusa-information Minutes of KUSA accepting the Biewer Terrier 21/01/11 minutes http://www.kusa.co.za/kusa-information/kusa-minutes-a-agendas Dagmar Prescow, President IBC’s email. She will respond to your questions but takes a little while as she puts it through a translator Dagmar Przystaw byc@gmx.com Dagmar Przystaw internationaler_biewer_yorkshire_club@gmx.de Biewer Breed Club of America (BBCA) Theresa Perry, President of the BBCA and also registrar for the BBIR theresaone@charter.net Biewer Terrier Club of America (BTCA) Ilona Shanklin, President. She will answer any and all of your questions regarding BTRA and BTCA delightbiewers@yahoo.com The BTCA also has a sister club now in South Africa and their President is a Veterinarn a Maryann Duncan. She was fascinating to converse with via email and you can contact her direct at this email. They were the club instrumental in getting the Biewer Terrier accepted with KUSA and are now doing parent profiling on all Biewer Terriers. mmooten@mweb.co.za Geneticist at MARS Veterinary – Responded to my direct inquiry about the genetic marker for the Biewer Terrier. They have no idea what blood is being submitted, but if it is a purebred Biewer Terrier it will hit on the marker that is in place. customercare@marsveterinary.com I must say, about a week ago I put a deposit on one and am so excited! These dogs are absolutely gorgeous! The tail whips over their back in this beautiful plume and they are very loveable! I must say, about a week ago I put a deposit on one and am so excited! These dogs are absolutely gorgeous! The tail whips over their back in this beautiful plume and they are very loveable! I just wanted to share with those interested and provide direct contacts to have your own questions answered direct for the source about this wonderful breed! |
gracious.. sounds like you've been busy |
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To the OP, I am fairly certain your breeder has already registered their litter with a particular registry. If you wish to show your puppy there are more circuits than just ARBA. There is NAKC (shows and points awarded like AKC) and IABCA which is a european type show where your dog is judged against the standard before competing against other dogs. My dogs are registered with BBIR. HTH |
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To the OP.. I agree with Deb. Your puppy will most likely be already registered when you get him. Not sure if you bought on open registration or not, but it would be fun to go to a show either way.. If you go to an NAKC or an IABCA show, you will probably see many more than just 3 breeders as these are the venues most of us use when we show our Biewers.. even in MN we have at least 6-10 breeders at our shows and those are small shows. I have Biewers registered with three different registries in Germany, the BNR and the BBIR so don't worry about the registry piece... pay much more attention to the breeder, the health and the character of your puppy. Enjoy your Biewer.. you will never regret your decision to add this wonderful pup into your life. Diana :animal-pa |
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Do you have any advice on what to look for in the breeder and such? I know to look for one that lets their baby go at 12 weeks. I also ask when they first bred their female and how many litters they've had. I will definitely be seeing their place in person before I reserve a pup. I am just looking right now because I can't get one until the end of summer (mid-late September). |
Inquire about health testing of the breeding pair and the puppies, read and understand their contract prior to placing a deposit on any puppy. Just a couple of things off the top of my head. You may be interested in contacting breeders who are members of the BBCA. I'm certain you'll find many breeders that meet your criteria. Biewer Breed Club of America |
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I have gone through the same problem lately. The two biggest registries in the US are the BBIR and BTRA. I registered with the BBIR because they made more sense. THe BTRA will only register "Biewer Terriers" from the BTCA. I think that club owns that registry or something, but it is not open to anyone who did not by a puppy from one of their members. Everyone calls their dog something different butthey are all the same. Only the BTRA makes a big deal out of being special. |
BTRA makes such a big deal about them being special, because all the dogs in the registry have been Mars tested and are purebred Biewer Terriers. ARBA only excepts dogs that are registered as Biewer Terriers, the UCI e.V allows International Titles only to be given to Biewer Terriers and BTRA only registers a Biewer that has been Mars tested. Seems pretty easy to understand and highly efficient. I don't understand why some of you continiously post false information about the BTCA and BTRA on this forum. BTRA will register any Biewer with any registration from any club, as long the dog is Mars tested and the result is a purebred Biewer Terrier. You can see the test results posted on most BTCA members web sites. I don't understand why you would take issue with breeders that are willing to go the extra mile. |
If your Biewer has been tested with Mars with the BTCA and it comes back anything other than a yorkshire terrier then you DO NOT have a true Biewer from the original lines. It means you have a Biewer whos lines were compromised and something else mixed in. That is a fact, The BTCA's Genetic marker for the Biewer Terrier is nothing but a crossbred dog trying to be passed off as Original Biewers of which they cannot be because of the mix of dogs that showed up to get that genetic marker. The Original Biewer Yorkshire A' La Pom Pons were Yorkshire Terriers. |
The Original Biewer Yorkshire A' La Pom Pons were Yorkshire Terriers.QUOTE from SnowBlue Yorkies. Thank you for clarifying this. When I said I thought they were beautiful. My Vet said the last thing she heard was that Biewer's are genetically pure Yorkshire Terriers. |
For those up in Canada there is a Canadain registery as well for these guys. |
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Diana :animal-pa |
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Ummm... What? Sorry, but everything I have read states, from the Biewers themselves, that the dogs are from pure bred Yorkie, bred to other pure bred Yorkies, which was the ONLY thing that was in the line. The Standard Mr Biewar used was the Yorkie standard, with white. They bred FOR the parti color gene, and you know what.. If you know anything about inbreeding and line breeding and closed pools, you'll find that it is VERY easy to get a particular genetic marker within a line. Consider that every Biewer descends from Schneefloocken. As soon as the stud book closes, that means that there is going to be some intense line breeding going on. And in an intensely line bred line, there will be markers that show, but that doesn't mean they're not Yorkies... Unless you're saying that the Biewars lied when they said no other breed went into the creation of the Biewar, other than Yorkies. Maybe you know different than the information I have gained. I'm opened minded, and would be glad to read anything you may wish that supports your point of view. |
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Another thing of interest is the people that scream the loudest about how the Biewer's did it, and breed Yorkies to Biewers, when the Biewer's were very adamant that no one should be breeding Yorkies to Biewers. How does that work? Read the information on the BTCA website and you will learn pretty much everything you need to know about the breed. Last I heard, they were the only ones that have ever talked to Mrs. Biewer, seen original documents, and know what the Biewer's intended for the breed. |
You can read my website all the info is there. Parti colored yorkies were showing up in England way before the so called Biewers. The parti color was imported into Germany from England. Both the Nikkos Parti color yorkie and the Biewer Yorkshire A la Pom Pon trace back to Streamglen Shaun............You cannot just ignore the pedigree and bloodlines. They are yorkies. Mr. Biewer himself bred back to the yorkie. |
If the BTCA is so right in what they are putting on their website why is it that all other countries are still breeding the Biewer to Yorkshire terriers? It is only when the BTCA wanted to get into AKC that they now claim they are .......taaadaaa ......a mixed breed. The true Biewers have not been compromised and other countries are breeding the traditional color yorkie to them to improve the lines. Like i said look at the pedigrees.......the pedigrees all say yorkie. |
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If you really feel so strongly about this and believe in what you are saying, why are you not using your real name? Why are you not directing us to your website where it shows us your dogs so we can see how beautiful they are.. why are you hiding behind a made up name without any information about yourself. I would think that you would be proud of your dogs, your club, the people that you are representing??? I don't understand.. you seem to know about me? Do I know you? hmmm I can't place the face.... but you sure sound familiar. Diana :animal-pa |
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