IBC vs. BTRA vs. BBTR registries for Biewers

[JoAnne_Miller]

Originally Posted by Watchdog

BTRA, the Biewer Terrier Registry of America, is the registry that registers the purebred Biewer Terrier..

Isn't this the company whose president was just arrested for child neglect and for running a puppy mill? (search BTRA for more if you want...) but isn't this the same company?

[buffalobetty]

I have gone through the same problem lately. The two biggest registries in the US are the BBIR and BTRA. I registered with the BBIR because they made more sense. THe BTRA will only register "Biewer Terriers" from the BTCA. I think that club owns that registry or something, but it is not open to anyone who did not by a puppy from one of their members. Everyone calls their dog something different butthey are all the same. Only the BTRA makes a big deal out of being special.

[Caprice]

BTRA makes such a big deal about them being special, because all the dogs in the registry have been Mars tested and are purebred Biewer Terriers. ARBA only excepts dogs that are registered as Biewer Terriers, the UCI e.V allows International Titles only to be given to Biewer Terriers and BTRA only registers a Biewer that has been Mars tested. Seems pretty easy to understand and highly efficient. I don't understand why some of you continiously post false information about the BTCA and BTRA on this forum. BTRA will register any Biewer with any registration from any club, as long the dog is Mars tested and the result is a purebred Biewer Terrier. You can see the test results posted on most BTCA members web sites. I don't understand why you would take issue with breeders that are willing to go the extra mile.

[SnowBlueYorkies]

If your Biewer has been tested with Mars with the BTCA and it comes back anything other than a yorkshire terrier then you DO NOT have a true Biewer from the original lines. It means you have a Biewer whos lines were compromised and something else mixed in. That is a fact, The BTCA's Genetic marker for the Biewer Terrier is nothing but a crossbred dog trying to be passed off as Original Biewers of which they cannot be because of the mix of dogs that showed up to get that genetic marker.

The Original Biewer Yorkshire A' La Pom Pons were Yorkshire Terriers.

[Teresa Ford]

The Original Biewer Yorkshire A' La Pom Pons were Yorkshire Terriers.QUOTE from SnowBlue Yorkies.
Thank you for clarifying this. When I said I thought they were beautiful. My Vet said the last thing she heard was that Biewer's are genetically pure Yorkshire Terriers.

[YorkieMother]

For those up in Canada there is a Canadain registery as well for these guys.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies

If your Biewer has been tested with Mars with the BTCA and it comes back anything other than a yorkshire terrier then you DO NOT have a true Biewer from the original lines. It means you have a Biewer whos lines were compromised and something else mixed in. That is a fact, The BTCA's Genetic marker for the Biewer Terrier is nothing but a crossbred dog trying to be passed off as Original Biewers of which they cannot be because of the mix of dogs that showed up to get that genetic marker.

The Original Biewer Yorkshire A' La Pom Pons were Yorkshire Terriers.

Agreed.. to be anything else is not a true Biewer.. the Biewer is a tri colored Yorkshire Terrier.

Diana

[Rochester]

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford

The Original Biewer Yorkshire A' La Pom Pons were Yorkshire Terriers.QUOTE from SnowBlue Yorkies.
Thank you for clarifying this. When I said I thought they were beautiful. My Vet said the last thing she heard was that Biewer's are genetically pure Yorkshire Terriers.

Thank you for sharing your Vets views. Can you ask her to supply you with the scientific documention stating the Biewer to be a purebred Yorkie? I have seen a lot of testing done and none of the results I've seen, present those facts. As a matter of fact, all documentaion presented so far, shows that the Biewer was developed just like any other dog to date.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by Rochester

Thank you for sharing your Vets views. Can you ask her to supply you with the scientific documention stating the Biewer to be a purebred Yorkie? I have seen a lot of testing done and none of the results I've seen, present those facts. As a matter of fact, all documentaion presented so far, shows that the Biewer was developed just like any other dog to date.

You are too funny.. but keep trying.

[Belle Noir]

Originally Posted by Rochester

Thank you for sharing your Vets views. Can you ask her to supply you with the scientific documention stating the Biewer to be a purebred Yorkie? I have seen a lot of testing done and none of the results I've seen, present those facts. As a matter of fact, all documentaion presented so far, shows that the Biewer was developed just like any other dog to date.

Ummm... What?
Sorry, but everything I have read states, from the Biewers themselves, that the dogs are from pure bred Yorkie, bred to other pure bred Yorkies, which was the ONLY thing that was in the line.
The Standard Mr Biewar used was the Yorkie standard, with white.
They bred FOR the parti color gene, and you know what..
If you know anything about inbreeding and line breeding and closed pools, you'll find that it is VERY easy to get a particular genetic marker within a line.
Consider that every Biewer descends from Schneefloocken.
As soon as the stud book closes, that means that there is going to be some intense line breeding going on. And in an intensely line bred line, there will be markers that show, but that doesn't mean they're not Yorkies... Unless you're saying that the Biewars lied when they said no other breed went into the creation of the Biewar, other than Yorkies.

Maybe you know different than the information I have gained. I'm opened minded, and would be glad to read anything you may wish that supports your point of view.

[Rochester]

Originally Posted by Belle Noir

Ummm... What?
Sorry, but everything I have read states, from the Biewers themselves, that the dogs are from pure bred Yorkie, bred to other pure bred Yorkies, which was the ONLY thing that was in the line.
The Standard Mr Biewar used was the Yorkie standard, with white.
They bred FOR the parti color gene, and you know what..
If you know anything about inbreeding and line breeding and closed pools, you'll find that it is VERY easy to get a particular genetic marker within a line.
Consider that every Biewer descends from Schneefloocken.
As soon as the stud book closes, that means that there is going to be some intense line breeding going on. And in an intensely line bred line, there will be markers that show, but that doesn't mean they're not Yorkies... Unless you're saying that the Biewars lied when they said no other breed went into the creation of the Biewar, other than Yorkies.

Maybe you know different than the information I have gained. I'm opened minded, and would be glad to read anything you may wish that supports your point of view.

You said you read stuff from the Biewer's themselves. Would you mind sharing that info please? I would also like to see the documents that the Biewer's were breeding for the parti gene. I hear a lot of people say that, but when I talk to people that have talked to the Biewer's personally, the Biewer's never said any such thing.

Another thing of interest is the people that scream the loudest about how the Biewer's did it, and breed Yorkies to Biewers, when the Biewer's were very adamant that no one should be breeding Yorkies to Biewers. How does that work?

Read the information on the BTCA website and you will learn pretty much everything you need to know about the breed. Last I heard, they were the only ones that have ever talked to Mrs. Biewer, seen original documents, and know what the Biewer's intended for the breed.

[SnowBlueYorkies]

You can read my website all the info is there. Parti colored yorkies were showing up in England way before the so called Biewers. The parti color was imported into Germany from England. Both the Nikkos Parti color yorkie and the Biewer Yorkshire A la Pom Pon trace back to Streamglen Shaun............You cannot just ignore the pedigree and bloodlines. They are yorkies. Mr. Biewer himself bred back to the yorkie.

[SnowBlueYorkies]

If the BTCA is so right in what they are putting on their website why is it that all other countries are still breeding the Biewer to Yorkshire terriers? It is only when the BTCA wanted to get into AKC that they now claim they are .......taaadaaa ......a mixed breed. The true Biewers have not been compromised and other countries are breeding the traditional color yorkie to them to improve the lines. Like i said look at the pedigrees.......the pedigrees all say yorkie.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by Rochester

You said you read stuff from the Biewer's themselves. Would you mind sharing that info please? I would also like to see the documents that the Biewer's were breeding for the parti gene. I hear a lot of people say that, but when I talk to people that have talked to the Biewer's personally, the Biewer's never said any such thing.

Another thing of interest is the people that scream the loudest about how the Biewer's did it, and breed Yorkies to Biewers, when the Biewer's were very adamant that no one should be breeding Yorkies to Biewers. How does that work?

Read the information on the BTCA website and you will learn pretty much everything you need to know about the breed. Last I heard, they were the only ones that have ever talked to Mrs. Biewer, seen original documents, and know what the Biewer's intended for the breed.

Rochester..
If you really feel so strongly about this and believe in what you are saying, why are you not using your real name? Why are you not directing us to your website where it shows us your dogs so we can see how beautiful they are.. why are you hiding behind a made up name without any information about yourself. I would think that you would be proud of your dogs, your club, the people that you are representing??? I don't understand.. you seem to know about me? Do I know you? hmmm I can't place the face.... but you sure sound familiar.


Diana

[Jennxling]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Rochester..
If you really feel so strongly about this and believe in what you are saying, why are you not using your real name? Why are you not directing us to your website where it shows us your dogs so we can see how beautiful they are.. why are you hiding behind a made up name without any information about yourself. I would think that you would be proud of your dogs, your club, the people that you are representing??? I don't understand.. you seem to know about me? Do I know you? hmmm I can't place the face.... but you sure sound familiar.


Diana

Well said!!