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Mardelin 04-20-2011 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3507053)
Again, no reputable breeder I'm aware of would request you consider using your pet as a stud. Generally reputable breeders will keep any dog they believe is breed worthy, they don't sell them for pets and ask the new owner to allow them to be studs. People here are not quick to judge, but do have years of experience and know what they are talking about. It seems the only response you really wanted to hear was one telling you, this might be okay:confused:
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You're right and we can all find justification for what we do....If you look for DeLorean long enough you'll find it...

Rhetts_mama 04-20-2011 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Erinschlssr (Post 3506710)
I want to thank you for your great response. That was what I was looking for. This was the first post I have put on here and it seems to me that people are quick to judge. I feel I have a reputable breeder and I have done my research and she has met all the qualities/requirements. I am not just some girl that wants an accessory but an addition to our family! The mom of my puppy had passed away after giving birth and having to have an emergency c-section and never recovered from the anesthesia and the breeder I think wanted to keep the line going.
Thanks again
When a dog does not recover from anesthesia, the most common reason is because there was an underlying disease. That should be a red flag to the breeder that this line is perhaps not one that should be continued.

KendraE 04-20-2011 08:08 AM
Get your baby and love him...dont stud him out!! Just read my threads!! Neuter him and love him always!!! Good luck!!!:D

capt_noonie 04-20-2011 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3507135)
When a dog does not recover from anesthesia, the most common reason is because there was an underlying disease. That should be a red flag to the breeder that this line is perhaps not one that should be continued.
Right. This line should probably NOT be continued.

capt_noonie 04-20-2011 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Erinschlssr (Post 3506710)
I want to thank you for your great response. That was what I was looking for. This was the first post I have put on here and it seems to me that people are quick to judge. I feel I have a reputable breeder and I have done my research and she has met all the qualities/requirements. I am not just some girl that wants an accessory but an addition to our family! The mom of my puppy had passed away after giving birth and having to have an emergency c-section and never recovered from the anesthesia and the breeder I think wanted to keep the line going.

Thanks again
We are not quick to judge. We know what's up, and to those who don't, it seems we are quick to judge. Just bc we don't agree with what the breeder is doing, doesn't mean we are judging you. We are warning you, and just bc you did your research, it may not have been the correct research. Most breeders out there are not reputable. You have to try really hard to find the good ones. Just bc one has been doing it for 20 yrs or so doesn't mean they've been doing it right. What if your puppy doesn't recover from anesthesia? What will the breeder do for you? Did you get a contract? Just what was your qualities/requirements that your breeder has? Just wondering what about this breeder made you feel she was the one.

capt_noonie 04-20-2011 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 3506671)
Is he healthy and of high quality? Good lines? You don't have to neuter right away, wait and see how he turns out. Maybe your breeder knew he might have a possibility of turning out breed-worthy. Most breeders won't guarantee a pup breed worthy but many can often guess at the potential early on. I think it pays to wait as so many spay and neuter so young the opportunity to add to the betterment of the breed gets lost when once it's discovered they would have been good for breeding but can't due to being spay/neutered, while so many unworthy dogs are put out there for breeding, diminishing the breed's quality. Only you and your breeder know what you have.
If you don't have an unspayed female in the house he won't act to crazy when he comes of age.
Sorry but I disagree. A reputable breeder will hold onto a pup if they think they are breed/show worthy and would be a betterment for the breed. They won't sell it until they don't think it'll be fit for breeding/show. I do agree with you though that there are too many dogs not fitting standard that are being bred, they are directly diminishing the breed's quality and look. Example: short cobby legged, "teddy bear faced" yorkies that all laypeople seem the think is what a yorkie is supposed to look like, bc of all the disreputable breeders pushing for that look to charge more.

xoxStephie 04-20-2011 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Erinschlssr (Post 3506710)
I want to thank you for your great response. That was what I was looking for. This was the first post I have put on here and it seems to me that people are quick to judge. I feel I have a reputable breeder and I have done my research and she has met all the qualities/requirements. I am not just some girl that wants an accessory but an addition to our family! The mom of my puppy had passed away after giving birth and having to have an emergency c-section and never recovered from the anesthesia and the breeder I think wanted to keep the line going.

Thanks again
Where did you get these qualities and requirements? Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that reputable breeders show the stud so they can become champions etc...? Also what if your pup turns out to not be to standard? She doesn't know yet if he will be and using a stud that is not up to standard is not bettering the breed.
In my honest opinion and experience if you have to ask then the answer is no you should not use your dog as a stud.

backwardsrain 04-20-2011 03:06 PM
My puppy is named Jax too! :D Personally, I could not stand to own an unneutered male dog. Jax's "male behavior" annoyed me so much I got him fixed right before he turned 6 months, the earliest age I thought it could be safely done. His behavior settled down after that.

I have researched what makes a breeder reputable as thoroughly as I could, and I would be highly suspect of anyone who made the offer your breeder is making. A lot of red flags there.

kjcmsw 04-20-2011 06:05 PM
Here’s the deal:
As the adage goes: with power comes responsibility. If you want to stud your dog out, do so…it is your dog. That being said I do believe it’s important that you wait until such time you are able to discern whether or not your dog is healthy, free from genetic defects, and follows the standard of a Yorkshire Terrier. You can neuter any time, but once done it cannot be undone.
I would like to also think you would be careful to what Yorkie you studded your dog out too…is that dog also healthy, free of genetic defects, and to standard? Regardless of how “perfect” your dog may be if bred to a substandard Yorkie the pups have a greater likelihood of being less than desirable, and a cycle of substandard Yorkies are possibly perpetuated as a result. And I believe this is what many are (rightfully) concerned about.
A breeder, reputable or not, cannot keep every puppy, breed worthy or not. After all, if a reputable breeder’s dogs are so good (generation after generation) the majority of the puppies produced are going to be equally as good (law of averages), thus there are many breed worthy puppies being sold all the time. There is no reason based on what information you gave to assume your dog is not as breed worthy as the next. As previously stated only you and your breeder know what you have, but you could certainly have your dog assessed by several others with experience in the breed (unknown to each other/listen for common statements). If it turns out your dog is not breed worthy then you should consider neutering.
It’s also possible your breeder may have been heartbroken over the loss of the mother dog and wasn’t seeing the whole picture regarding just how much potential your pup may have, thus it is up to you to wait and see before making decisions regarding its breeding, or not, future.
Death from anesthesia could be from several things, including too much given. The fact the mother needed a c-section seems like it might be more of a concern than the cause of death.


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