<<What's with the chip on your shoulder?>>
Just offering a little education...so do you have no problem with the term "teacup"??? Just tired of people using the term b/c they think it will improve what people think of their yorkies...just thought some people would be interested to know what the cose of ethics for the YTCA states...did you not know this? Well then that is why I shared :)

<<Who is your breeder friend?>>
I am not here to throw people's names around...if she decides to join I am sure she will introduce herself...

Very relaxed here...

:aimeeyork Denise

Hannah Your furbaby is adorable! As are all the other furkids
And I myself prefere the " babydoll" face.And have seen many of this "type" of face in the showring.
I agree with Irene, It's used as a descriptive term.Oh and Irene... Sultan is awesome as are his little pups in the photo's.

My advice is always this ......When searching for your new Yorkie pup. make sure you see the Sire and Dam.If you prefere a certain look "type" be sure to research many breeders and see what kind of pups they are producing. Never let looks get in the way of Health and Temperment. Do your research and never impulse purchase your new furry friend. Congrats on your new furbaby, wishing you many years of happiness together. :aimeeyork

yes pippinsmom your baby is adorable...and my reply was not to cause trouble, more to take the opportunity to try and educate, i am very happy to hear that most people here feel the same way!

Denise

You know, I had a moment I forgot I don't use the term Baby Faced usually. I like to use 'Smoooooshy Face'... :D :D :D :D

To put my .2 cents in here....I am not trying to offend you Denise, but there are as many people here who agree with you as disagree, so here is the other side of the coin and this is just my personal opinion...I am speaking for no other members but myself as some do not choose to get involved in these debates but I, like you, like to educate: :)

Not everyone here agrees with the YTCA or the yorkie "breed standard" that they espouse. I am one of those members. The YTCA is made up of about 500+- members who enjoy the hobby of showing yokies. 99% of the people who own and love this breed do not belong to the YTCA and do not show their dogs. As far as I know, of the over 6000+ members here, none belong to the YTCA. I think there membership actually frowns on breeders who are on so called "pet forums" and they can be asked to resign for assocaiting with us.

While I do appreciate some of what the YTCA members have done to "improve" the breed, I think there are many many more reputable breeders who breed for companion dogs and are ethical and have even HIGHER standards than the YTCA.

I disagree vehemently with the archaic and barbaric tradition of docking tails for instance which has been banned in a lot of countries as cruel and barbaric but is still required for a dog to win in the show ring here. My parti-colored yorkie would not be alive if it were up to the YTCA who condoned the practice of "culling" these innocent beauties until recently.

I am well aware that the YTCA does not allow it's members to use the terms "teacup" and "babydoll" faced but the fact is that to the general population these are descriptive terms and not always used to market a dog. I think yorkie fanciers need to "get over it"! I mean Target now uses the term teacup as a doggy clothing size for goodness sakes! Many reputable breeders who love the breed and there babies and breed for the best use the terms you cringe from. I have three beautiful healthy yorkies and none came from a YTCA member but all were "reputable" breeders and had lengthy questionnaires and interview processes for choosing the adoptives parents for their babies.

We all disagree with the use of any term to misrepresent or a market a dog deceptively including teacup, micro-mini, purse puppy, babyfaced, teddy bear faced, designer or whatever but the majority of people do not use the terms for anything other than descriptions so we, on YT, have learned not to jump on anyone who uses the terms unless they are using them to misrepresent something for something it is not.

That said...welcome to YT...your views and opinions will only make us ever so much more knowledgable about this breed we all love to love! Hopefully, we have also opend up a whole new world for you as well where teacup is not a dirty word, but a cute word to describe a cute dog like "toy" since yorkies are a "toy breed" according to the AKC.

sorry kim, but i do not agree with you i think majority of people who do use these terms use these as "marketing words". that is how this all got started imo, by some shady breeders trying to rip people off by giving these dogs a "fancy" name and making it seem like their way more special than the average dog.

I agree with jesscruz. Just the other day at petsmart some lady walked up to me and said that my yorkie was big for her age. She's 12 weeks and 2lbs. I was kind of offended, how could she call my puppy fat when according to weight charts she's not going to be over the standard? Sheesh, how much smaller do you want? Another lady said proudly that her yorkie a teacup and the smallest of the litter. I think she might of gotten offended when I said, "Oh, so she's the runt?" But hey, it's the truth.
Bad breeders or brokers try to make others think smaller is better. I think it intentionally misleads them to think that teacup=3 lbs and below, etc. It makes people think that smaller is better and in a whole different catagory.Anyways, I think the term teacup makes the average woman want one because they fit in your purse and can carry around everywhere. A dog is not an assesory. It is a life and what are you going to do if it goes out of style? Since there is a demand now for these types of dogs, this has lead to unethical breeding practices of the breeding of two runts(the unhealthiest of the litter) to eachother.
I wish the media would put a stop to it. I wish Paris or Britney would make a statement about "teacups" and their usual health problems. Or at least talk about how to stear clear of breeders who use the term "teacup" exclusively.

Well...All I can say is here we go again. :cool: :cool:

I know we all describe our yorkies affectionately & most of us DO NOT USE those terms...I think the terms are marketing tools and used to increase prices when people are selling their puppies -

People ask me all the time about Chanel's breeder (who uses the word teacup and believe me - Chanel's Breeder does NOT sell small yorkies) ....

She also uses the words DOLL FACE and her yorkies look just like all our yorkies - no different to me than any yorkie I see here - It is a MAJOR selling tool on her website - Her yorkies are average and actually on the large side - it sure doesn't stop her from throwing descriptive words around - AND getting away with it

I happened to get VERY lucky with Chanel as I think she is a gorgeous little girl - when I found her - I went by how I FELT when I met her... and no WORD would have made me love her more or more special to me

I THINK Cheri has what is called a Doll face - When I went to a yorkie show many of the gorgeous yorkies there had the same face as Cheri....but again....You won't see me using the words Baby Doll....I just call her CUTE. :D

ps. Baby Doll and Teacup and other words are a great way for a breeder to tack on a few thousand when selling their puppies - it does NOT guarantee that you will get a healthy pretty yorkie -
I'm not saying breeders here do this - but look on the net - it's a SELLING TOOL and yorkies are getting outrageously priced due to going smaller and words such as what this thread is about.

and to add to my post - I've heard the prices of a few "Doll-Faced" yorkies on this site - all I could say when I heard the price was WOW.

Jesscruz and Cheryl...I totally agreed with both your posts - I also wish the silly Celebs would get their acts together and educate people on their tiny dogs - they've started a craze and I think in the long run - yorkies will suffer for it by unethical breeders going smaller and smaller - and using terms like TEACUP and Baby-Doll just to profit from these gorgeous dogs who need NO enhancement

A Baby Doll is something little girls play with.

GAZOU - that was a very beautiful yorkie picture you posted - She/He is stunning :)

I totally appreciate differences of opinions and understanding others points of views. I too cringe when I see ads for puppies for outrageous prices with those descriptive words (Teacup, MicroMini, Baby Doll Face). That's when, IMO the terms used to draw in buyers to pay the higher price and is unethical. As for mentioning it casually like in this thread and having fun with it I really don't see the harm.

Affectionately yours,
Wini

Petite Pawz
 

Thank You!

I happen to agree with you - I have no problem with someone using the words - I just don't agree with them as reasons to increase prices - and your yorkies are beautiful enough where you need NO cute terms - your yorkies sell themselves Miss Irene :)

The picture is one of Ashley . All my Yorkies have short noses but I don't call them Babydoll faces . Sometimes , I call them my little devils in disguise because they can be real little arrogant ones despite their adorable little faces . Around here Yorkies with longer noses are often called Pixie Faces . IMO... A Yorkie is a Yorkie no matter his or her look . When the girls will have pups , I will never use one of those terms to describe the little ones .

Awww, why thank ya darlin'! I think they is booty-full too! But you have some really purrrdy girls too. Sultan told me so :D
I did post a thread with Fabian saying he's got the sought after 'babydoll' face, but now I wish I didn't I don't want to com across as someone that's unethical just because I said 'the word'..lolol. Thanks for helping me re-think this.

But on another note. I have had breeders talk out of both sides of their mouths. They would condem me for using smooshy or baby faced while talking to them on the phone, yet they would not think twice about selling something that has a genetic defect for breeding or using it in their program. But by golly, they don't use the term baby faced or teacup.
So, I just want to add to the good points mentioned about about the sales pitches, don't think you're safe from buying from someone that doesn't use the term. The best way to research a breeder is by going to visit see the conditions the pups are raised in, get references, and ask tough questions about genetic defects. More food for thought!

Hugs,
Irene

I have to agree that the terms "baby doll face" and Tea-cup size" are commonly used as a marketing tool. I have had my baby for about a month now. The first thing that attracted me to him was the PRICE! I asked to see the mom and dad only to see what color they were. I was sold. The mom and dad were a little lighter than I would have wanted but I couldn't pass him up because the prce was so good. I didn't want a show dog I only wanted a pet. I took him to the vet and he is very healthy and is also a good weight. Before when I started looking I often asked how much for the males because afterall they didn't cot as much as a female. I often got told that is depended on the sizes. The smaller they were the more they cost. I was told "My yorkies are tea-cups and the price is determined by their sizes."
Prior to buying my baby I did lots of research. Everything I read always said that smaller was NOT always better. But I can honestly say that just about ever breeder I contacted told me that their Yorkies were Tea-Cups.

Emms

i think we all think that our are...lol. but here is a pictire of Dollar I think that he is teddy bear face...

<<But on another note. I have had breeders talk out of both sides of their mouths. They would condem me for using smooshy or baby faced while talking to them on the phone, yet they would not think twice about selling something that has a genetic defect for breeding or using it in their program.>>

I think you have gotten off topic a bit here. I was not saying that all "good breeders" do not use the term...just saying I do not feel that "good breeders" ever use the term when referring to their dogs!

Not sure who you are trying to take down... but all breeders lines are not free of genetic faults and those come in a variety of ways. Such as incorrect coat color, wide ear sets, low tail sets, poor movement...ect...just some food for thought! For a breeder they have to make a decision in which is more important for their lines at the time. I have known a breeder to use a fault I would not for a generation, and it never showed up in her lines again...but she got the coat and structure she was looking for. Breeding is not an exact science and those of you that think you have it all figured out...wait until you see a curveball.

:aimeeyork Denise

Dollar is absolutely adorable! Very cute pic!

Denise

<< "My yorkies are tea-cups and the price is determined by their sizes." >>

WOW...I think it is terrible that people jack up the prices on their dogs the smaller they are. Prices IMO should be based on how well they represent the standard...and when they start getting too small it is hard for them to keep it all together (conformation wise). I would be more likely to spend more money on a larger yorkie (6-7 lbs) then on one that is less than 4 lbs. Just more to love!

I have had on more than one occassion a breeder friend gloat to me on the phone about how tiny their puppies were and how much money they could get for them then...ugh makes me sick...needless to say we are no longer friends. She was what I called a "closet teacup lover" ... LOL

:aimeeyork Denise

'Denise'

You really seem to pick on what I say a lot. Can I ask why? Maybe you don't mean for it to come across that way. Since we are so close maybe you'd like to come to my home and meet me and my Yorkies. Or we can hook up at the Crown Classic in December.

Hugs,
Wini

Hmmmmm, while it might not be a good description.....I think all those pictures are babydolls :) Such cuties :animal36

After reading these posts and I have seen Irene's Stellar Yorkies website & think her yorkies are just gorgeous - I had a question - Denise ...Are you a breeder also ? do you have a site we can see ?

I love looking at pretty yorkies and since you are new here we'd love to check out your website if you have one....

Everyone usually has a preference when looking for a yorkie. Some look for coloring and only like the darker colors and some look for the silver/blue yorkies. Some look for lengths,short or long,short or tall.Silky hair,cotton hair...Short snout or longer snouts. I personally like the short snout and cute button eyes. My main preference is a Healthy pup. If a breeder knows what you are looking for then they usually tell you what you want to hear" Oh I have a darker one or little one/teacup!" I call the short snout,button eyes well set ears short compact body Baby doll face. Only because it's easier than saying that I have a short snout,big cute button eyes,well set ears . In the end I think ALL yorkies are absolutley beautiful. They are my favorite breed!

Genie

I agree. Let's try to keep this a light hearted discussion it was originally.

Not to fan the fire but
Why is it then that doll faced and tiny ones go for more money then?
One would think a good looking well mannered genetically almost perfect in standard little one be the dog that carries a better price.
If it not a fad or a marketing tool, what is it?

Are we creating what the breed needs or the public wants.
All breeds started and where created by doing what was needed for the public.
Public needed a smaller dog to kill rats it got one and a larger sized original Yorkie happened out of the general public not being allowed a big dog way back when, since then the public wanted smaller and smaller and it is happening. Just how tiny are they going to be taken. Are we going to see the day where we have standard, minni and teacup? Just like the poodles.( or what ever the types of poodles there are)
If it public wants ==== I want big ones like 7 to 9 pounders. Little ones break to easy.

I dont have a problem when people use it to describe their yorkie like they have on this thread. What I dont like is when a breeder uses the term as a marketing strategy to get more money just like when they use teacup. There really is no such thing.

I totally agree with this post - perfectly said. :thumbup:

Joy,

Very good points, thank you for the reminders continuous education never hurt anyone. But with all do respect, this thread is not about breeding tinies.

You and 'Denise' may want to visit the other forums like Breeding or showing if you want to start sparks on these types of discussions.

Hugs,
Wini

First off: There have been so many replies here that it is impossible to quote them all. I disagree with using these terms to market pups for higher prices--I am sure most of this board's members do as well. However, WE all seem to be well aware of this--the fact that "Teacup," "Tiny," whatever does not make the dog a diff breed. Are there people who try to fool you into believing this? Yes, of course, but I don't think any of US do that...I think most of us use the terms, although they may not be correct, as descriptive terms for our babies. Therefor, I don't think WE need to be educated.
Secondly: Don't come on here talking about YTCA says this is standard and that is standard. I believe most of us know what is considered 'standard.' Don't discredit or try to make inferior those who own Yorkies that don't fit into the breed 'standard.' That would account for alot of us and is not a way to make new friends. There are alot of people on this board who have non-'standard' color Yorkies. There are alot of people on this board who have Yorkies under 4 pounds and over 7...again, not 'standard.' Again, I think it is a waste of time to try to 'EDUCATE' the members of this board on this...I think most of us are pretty well educated when it comes to this.