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JeanieK 01-11-2011 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 3389782)
Why are there so many Parti's? When seaching the internet, they are everywhere.
When did the Parti come to view? I am very sceptical as to "some" of these breeders dogs being legitamate Yorkshire Terriers, just on LOOKS alone.
I have had pups born with white on their chest. I would never sale these puppies as Parti carriers but I see this all the time. I also see people selling dogs with a Golden or Chocolate gene. If the Gene is present in the dog, DNA can authinticate it correct?

Another question...If AKC is so sure of the Parti, why are they not a separtate catagory as are other dogs of the same breed but different color?
Is it not possible for a vet to take a blood sample and send it to a lab for DNA and Breed analysis?
As to the first part of your post. There are most definitely some fakes out there. that is why it is important to research the breeder.

As to the second part. It is not up to the AKC to make a separate category for the other colors. That is up to they YTCA, and the YTCA denies their existance.. Even with letters from old time show breeders stating that they had white puppies. YTCA still maintains that they don't exist.

bchgirl 01-11-2011 01:24 PM
Yes dna could verify the gene in questionable dogs/puppies.

AKC is a registry. The standard is set by the parent club, YTCA. The parti coloring is a disqualification. Now even IF the ytca decided to allow parti coloring...AKC will not accept new varieties for any breed and hasn't for 50 years.

Dixies Mom 01-11-2011 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3389806)
As to the first part of your post. There are most definitely some fakes out there. that is why it is important to research the breeder.

As to the second part. It is not up to the AKC to make a separate category for the other colors. That is up to they YTCA, and the YTCA denies their existance.. Even with letters from old time show breeders stating that they had white puppies. YTCA still maintains that they don't exist.
White puppies indicate piebald gene correct?

JeanieK 01-11-2011 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 3389897)
White puppies indicate piebald gene correct?
From what I understand Yes. And if they have one parti parent, they will carry the piebald gene even though they may or may not have any white markings on them.

The first parti colored puppies were born to two traditional colored parents. Most likely Champion parents, since they came from show kennels.

Dixies Mom 01-11-2011 02:26 PM
Jeanie...I do NOT mean to single you out however (since you are being kind enough to answer in this thread:)), What tests have you performed on your breeding Parti Yorkies to be able to show your puppy parents that they are in fact a Yorkshire Terrier. Or any Parti Breeder can answer.
Many read the standard in their quest for a yorkie and do not see "Parti" and question..Like I am here.

Dixies Mom 01-11-2011 02:30 PM
[QUOTE=JeanieK;3389902]From what I understand Yes. And if they have one parti parent, they will carry the piebald gene even though they may or may not have any white markings on them.

The first parti colored puppies were born to two traditional colored parents. Most likely Champion parents, since they came from show kennels.[/QUOTE]

As did the Panda Shepherds so...Did these kennels do DNA testing on the dogs to determine which, the male or the female produced the color?

JeanieK 01-11-2011 02:33 PM
[quote=Dixies Mom;3389916]
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3389902)
From what I understand Yes. And if they have one parti parent, they will carry the piebald gene even though they may or may not have any white markings on them.

The first parti colored puppies were born to two traditional colored parents. Most likely Champion parents, since they came from show kennels.[/QUOTE]

As did the Panda Shepherds so...Did these kennels do DNA testing on the dogs to determine which, the male or the female produced the color?
They would have known which parents produced them, the two that the bred together. They did not have DNA testing back then.

Dixies Mom 01-11-2011 02:34 PM
The Biewers came from 2 traditional colored Yorkshire Terriers as well right?
So why are they not called Parti Yorkies and why is the coloring more vivid on the Biewers?

Dixies Mom 01-11-2011 02:36 PM
[quote=JeanieK;3389919]
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Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 3389916)

They would have known which parents produced them, the two that the bred together. They did not have DNA testing back then.
Approximate Date?

JeanieK 01-11-2011 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 3389905)
Jeanie...I do NOT mean to single you out however (since you are being kind enough to answer in this thread:)), What tests have you performed on your breeding Parti Yorkies to be able to show your puppy parents that they are in fact a Yorkshire Terrier. Or any Parti Breeder can answer.
Many read the standard in their quest for a yorkie and do not see "Parti" and question..Like I am here.
That is where researching the breeder comes in. The breeder that I bought my partis from only has yorkies. Her original parti colored male came from the first AKC registed parti colored yorkie.

AKC DNAd 42 litters from these breeders before they were satisfied that they were naturally occuring in the yorkshire terrier breed. I have a copy of the letter that was sent to her, from the AKC, stating that.

JeanieK 01-11-2011 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 3389920)
The Biewers came from 2 traditional colored Yorkshire Terriers as well right?
So why are they not called Parti Yorkies and why is the coloring more vivid on the Biewers?
Actually all Biewers are parti colored, but not all parti coloreds are Biewers.

The Biewers originated in Germany where they were allowed to register them as a separte breed. Because of that, the AKC does not accept the Biewers as yorkies.

Breezeaway 01-11-2011 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 3389920)
The Biewers came from 2 traditional colored Yorkshire Terriers as well right?
So why are they not called Parti Yorkies and why is the coloring more vivid on the Biewers?
Some partis have vivid colors the same as some biewers are light colored.

JeanieK 01-11-2011 02:43 PM
[quote=Dixies Mom;3389924]
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3389919)

Approximate Date?
I don't know the dates on the first ones. They have been popping up since the beginning of the yorkshire terrier breed.

Rhetts_mama 01-11-2011 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3389932)
Actually all Biewers are parti colored, but not all parti coloreds are Biewers.

The Biewers originated in Germany where they were allowed to register them as a separte breed. Because of that, the AKC does not accept the Biewers as yorkies.

Not according to the BTCA:

The BTCA, Inc. contacted the Mars Veterinary in Feb of 2007 to see if they could help them with the genetic make up of the Biewer Terrier. It wasn’t until later in the year that they released the tests and we began submitting blood samples. After testing over 30 different lineages (100 plus dogs) to date, we have been able to show that the Biewer Terrier is a distinct of its own. Oct. 5th, 2009 the geneticist working with the BTCA, Inc. released the news that they had developed a breed signature for the purebred Biewer Terrier. Click to see Breeds Detected

Biewer Terrier History


If they were Yorkies, they wouldn't have a separate breed signature.

JeanieK 01-11-2011 02:45 PM
Yorkshire Terrier -

Breezeaway's website has all of this information on it.


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