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As to the second part. It is not up to the AKC to make a separate category for the other colors. That is up to they YTCA, and the YTCA denies their existance.. Even with letters from old time show breeders stating that they had white puppies. YTCA still maintains that they don't exist. |
Yes dna could verify the gene in questionable dogs/puppies. AKC is a registry. The standard is set by the parent club, YTCA. The parti coloring is a disqualification. Now even IF the ytca decided to allow parti coloring...AKC will not accept new varieties for any breed and hasn't for 50 years. |
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The first parti colored puppies were born to two traditional colored parents. Most likely Champion parents, since they came from show kennels. |
Jeanie...I do NOT mean to single you out however (since you are being kind enough to answer in this thread:)), What tests have you performed on your breeding Parti Yorkies to be able to show your puppy parents that they are in fact a Yorkshire Terrier. Or any Parti Breeder can answer. Many read the standard in their quest for a yorkie and do not see "Parti" and question..Like I am here. |
[QUOTE=JeanieK;3389902]From what I understand Yes. And if they have one parti parent, they will carry the piebald gene even though they may or may not have any white markings on them. The first parti colored puppies were born to two traditional colored parents. Most likely Champion parents, since they came from show kennels.[/QUOTE] As did the Panda Shepherds so...Did these kennels do DNA testing on the dogs to determine which, the male or the female produced the color? |
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The Biewers came from 2 traditional colored Yorkshire Terriers as well right? So why are they not called Parti Yorkies and why is the coloring more vivid on the Biewers? |
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AKC DNAd 42 litters from these breeders before they were satisfied that they were naturally occuring in the yorkshire terrier breed. I have a copy of the letter that was sent to her, from the AKC, stating that. |
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The Biewers originated in Germany where they were allowed to register them as a separte breed. Because of that, the AKC does not accept the Biewers as yorkies. |
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Not according to the BTCA: The BTCA, Inc. contacted the Mars Veterinary in Feb of 2007 to see if they could help them with the genetic make up of the Biewer Terrier. It wasn’t until later in the year that they released the tests and we began submitting blood samples. After testing over 30 different lineages (100 plus dogs) to date, we have been able to show that the Biewer Terrier is a distinct of its own. Oct. 5th, 2009 the geneticist working with the BTCA, Inc. released the news that they had developed a breed signature for the purebred Biewer Terrier. Click to see Breeds Detected Biewer Terrier History If they were Yorkies, they wouldn't have a separate breed signature. |
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I for one do NOT hold a pedigree as a conclusive document. I purchased a female for my breeding program. I was given the registration documents and pedigree for "her" by her seller. As it turned out the documents she gave me matched a totally different dog. Had I not caught this, I would have registered the dog and been breeding her under a false pretenses. |
The term "Parti" is a term used to describe the color of yorkie we have. They are Yorkshire terriers. Like someone will say I have a chocolate yorkie, or I have a gold yorkies. Parti owners say I have a Parti yorkie, and you know that dog is spotted. AKC papers state they are "black and tan Parti-color. |
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Do you do the same for the puppies you produce? |
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We are proud to be taking an active part in the development of this remarkable new breed, the Biewer Terrier and we welcome everybody to become involved in this exciting part of the its history. Our long-term goal is to take the proper steps to gain AKC recognition, so that we can exhibit as our own unique breed at AKC shows under the standard that best fits our exquisite Biewer Terrier. |
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That is to be debated...... |
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So are you saying that the Biewer's parent club is lying? |
This is from BRTA: The Biewer Terrier is a purebred of its own and not a Yorkshire Terrier. The BTRA is the only registry set up for the Biewer Terrier breed and feel it is important for the foundation we are developing in America to reflect the correct name for recognition as a breed of its own. |
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The BTCA President, got the mars to do testing under false pretenses posing as a vet, she has also been banned from ever showing in the IABCA for life. I am sure you can find alot more on this presidents not so truthful ways. If there was a different breed signature and that is a big, if, it was either because there were some hanky panky or they tested those biewers that got sent over here in bunches that were mixed, and yes when the biewers started getting shipped over here from Germany, breeders over there saw the $$$ signs and bred anything that looked like a biewer and sent some of them to the clueless Americans at that time.. "IMO" |
Here is another Biewer Club that says the Biewer is a distinct breed: Biewer Breed Club of America The Biewer Breed Club of America, Inc. is the ONLY American Biewer club that has bred Biewer to Biewer exclusively since the club's inception. We are very proud of our beginnings in the preservation of the purebred Biewer a la Pom Pon. Protection of the Biewers and its original standard are the of the utmost importance to use with intent to hold true to the long term goals of the originator of this exquisite breed. Although the ancestry of the Biewer includes Yorkshire Terrier lines it is through select Biewer to Biewer breeding that has established the Biewer as a distinct breed. I'm just finding it hard to reconcile the idea that the Biewer DNA testing is falsified, while the Parti's are all on the up and up. What does the main registry for Biewer's in Germany say? |
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AKC name Biewer Terrier AKC group. Terrier Now how can tis be when the AKC doesn't even recognize them. That alone makes the entire Wisdonm Panel organization's credibility suspect. If they can put that false information on their websitre, what else on there is false. It is the same as the YTCA claiming that there is NO white gene in the yorkshire terrier. That information is incorrect and they know it. So therefor everything on their site becomes suspect. |
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