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Hi all....

we have a female yorkie ( Maisey) shes a very small terrier with a big personality, 14 month old and had her first season quite a few month ago, and we think shell be ready for her second season soon.

shes fit and healthy in every way.

so, we want to breed her but since this is our first time as well as hers...... any advice people...... we will probably be getting a stud for now, and want to do things right.

any things we should get in/ready

does the dog stay here and if so how long do we have the dog and well tell me what you know would be easier ...

thanks

nitt

i thought the yorkie should be at least 2 years old before breeding, and depends on her size and weight, im not a breeder, there are breeders on here which will give you good advise, i would never put my girl through that, there is so much can go wrong, and a lot of heartbreaking stories on here , wish you all the best and happy new year to you and your little girl:D

There are many experienced breeder in this section

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But, why on earth do you want to breed her? Breeding Yorkies is not easy. Too many things that could go wrong, plus to breed right is very very expensive.

What I know would be easier on both of you is not to breed her at all. Keep her as your beautiful, princess, pet and don't endanger her life or the lives of her unborn puppies.

Take a stroll through the Breeder forum and see what heartaches are just waiting to happen.

This thread really belongs in the breeder section.

Agreed.

[quote: ]"Hi all....

we have a female yorkie ( Maisey) shes a very small terrier with a big personality, 14 month old and had her first season quite a few month ago, and we think shell be ready for her second season soon.

shes fit and healthy in every way.

so, we want to breed her but since this is our first time as well as hers...... any advice people...... we will probably be getting a stud for now, and want to do things right.

any things we should get in/ready

does the dog stay here and if so how long do we have the dog and well tell me what you know would be easier ...

thanks nitt " [/quote]
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You had posted that she was 9 months old in September of this year. Is she 14 months old now? Math not adding up. How long ago did she have her first heat? Second heat and close to 2 years old is usually used as a time frame.

You also say she is very small -- how small is that? YTCA suggests prospective dams be at LEAST 5 pounds. Then there are other considerations. Does she meet AKC standards? Best to have an experienced exhibitor/breeder check her out as they know better what they are looking for. We are not always as subjective with our own pups as we should be.

You say she is fit and healthy in every way. Has she been health tested for BAT, OFA (joints & heart), and CERF (eyes)? Has she had a full work up to include blood panel? They normally will do blood tests to check liver, kidney, thyroid, blood counts & glucose. Then you need to get her checked for STDs and make sure the male is tested for all of these as well. What sort of pedigree are you looking at? What are the health histories of her dam & sire? What about other puppies in those litters? You want to be looking for any potential genetic problems in other litters.

Keep in mind the expenses required for all of this testing, as well as xrays, and pregnancy checks, possible C-section, vet fees can quadruple if a problem arises during delivery or after. There is always a very real possibility of eclampsia, torn uterus, retained puppy, incomplete after-birth expulsion, etc..... so many things can go wrong.

You need to spend a year or two studying everything you can get your hands on about Yorkshire Terrier breeding, whelping, and puppies. See if you can find a mentor that will let you watch as she whelps a litter. See if she would be willing to stand by when you whelp your first litter. Make sure you are well-prepared in case something goes wrong -- because it can so very quickly with these toy breeds. Look into the eyes of your girl -- can you live with risking her very life for breeding? Even taking all of the precautions, studying to be prepared, still..... the horrible can and does happen. You could lose your girl and all of her puppies.

Great suggestions Deb! I just want to point out, the OP is from across the pond.

"Great suggestions Deb! I just want to point out, the OP is from across the pond. "
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Anyone else having trouble with their QUOTE button? My quotes are not showing up so I have to go back & do a copy & paste. Ah well...

Thanks for pointing out to me that the OP is from "across the pond!"

Sorry I made the "assume" mistake and listed AKC in my previous post. Hopefully it will all still make sense and you can fill in UKC where I had put AKC. I am not sure what your parent breed club acronym is-- but pls replace YTCA with your UK breed club name. I really need to pay closer attention to details! :)

Happy New Year to all on both sides of the pond! :)

Debra England's club is called: The Kennel Club

Kennel Club Online Services
Go there.
Defra, UK
Also go here...unlike American England has very strict breeding laws-sorry I couldn't provide a better site my browser is blocking half the actualy government sites in England...I can Pm you some contact information for a couple Yorkie breeders over there most don't recommend breeding (despite 1 year being the law there) until a female is 3 at least usually almost 4 years old...let alone even a hobby breeder needs a license there...I tried to show that specific but can't get on the government site.

The very first thing you will need is to find a mentor now, and to spend the next 3-5 yrs studying up on breeding, assisting in a whelp or two, and have your breeding stock evaluated.

Whilst I know The Kennel Club is strangely silent on what health tests should be done for Yorkies, as you know or (should know) this breed does have some serious health concerns.

In the USA and Canada there are a series of tests that are done, which Debra elaborated on in her previous post.

Take some time to read through the Breeders Section, and the Sick and Emergency section to familiarize yourself with some of the horror stories that is often the result of poor breeding practices, and inexperience.

Take your time with this decision of yours, truly evaluate your reasons for breeding, the fitness of both yourself and your girl for this task.

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Here is the link to the kennel club : Responsible breeding practices.

Most breeders would say to breed a girl by 3 years old if breeding. After that time, the uterus becomes less elastic and the pelvic bones will have set, making a first pregnancy after that time risky for the female. I don't like breeding a girl before 2 years old, due to maturity issues, but certainly before 3.

I'm saying this for general information only.

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Why on earth would someone put a "backyard breeder" tag on a new persons thread that came here looking for answers? Someone is very ignorant on the proper use of tags or am I missing something here? To the OP, you have been given some good advice. Please try to glean the good from the site and ignore the rest.

I had a member ask me to share my story on hear for when people asked about breeding so.

About two years ago now my uncle had this adorable little chihuahua mutt, Sugar baby she weighed maybe 12 pounds he used to let her run all over and of course she was not fixed because"that's too much money" and of course the classic"her and rocky don't like each other that way"Rocky is my grandmothers 29 pound Shetland sheep dog.
turns out they did like each other that way and just after Rocky's first birthday he mounted the little dog.The neighbors said her screams wear terrible.
well when Sugar baby had the puppies there wear 5 of them and they already weighed almost a pound at birth so she had nearly doubled he body weight while pregnant After the puppies wear born I got a frantic call from my 14 year old cousin (who was the dogs owner as much as a child ever really can be) and she said sugar baby was shaking really bad and she did not seem able to breath I rushed right over I took her to the emergency vet This cost me i cant quite remember but i think $200 the vet told me the stress of the labor had probably sent her into a seizure So with nothing else i could do i took her home.
A week later I got a call from cousin again in tears saying that her father dumped sugar baby and the pups in a parking lot because "she got aggressive with those pups" wouldn't you? so i got in my car went to the parking lot and saw the box of week old pups but no mom in sight The pups wear so cold i was sure they wear going to die I had my fried come with her van and take the pups to the vet (again on my dime)
while i stood out in the cold and called and searched for sugar baby finally after about 2 hours she decided to come to me I got her in my car and took her to the vet this trip cost even more money about $500 i think the pups had almost all ended up with pneumonia so i had to give them medicine for that every few hours by the end of the next week the puppies wear 2 pounds easy and some a little bigger mom could not feed them all after all put together they weighed more then she did so every two hours i had to feed at least 2 puppies maybe three if she was pushing them away
then come the time to worm and vaccinate that cost another 2-300 dollars finally by the time they wear 8 weeks old i had to let them go i was spending over $50 a month on dog food and i also went out and got them collars and leashes and stuffies and a chew toy for each one. that cost about $60. when all was said and done the $90 i made in re-homing them all did nothing to help ease the financial burden of raising them.

I am happy to say that a nice family came and adopted the whole family Mom and dad got Sugar baby (now named dinky) and her son bug-a-boo( bug) a older sister got one of the girls lizard (lizzie) an aunt got another girl Rockette (kept the name she liked it) and pixie and Gwen(again kept the names) went to a close family friend who is over all the time.
All the puppies with the exception of Rockette are fixed,when she went in she started seizing under the anesthetic and almost died twice.
I am happy to know that Sugar baby/dinky will never have to go through that again,and neither will her 4 beautiful girls

I agree -- that is not right. The OP has come asking questions BEFORE any breeding is done. We cannot run off people in research mode! This is what we tell them to do! :confused:

Poor Sugar baby!! I'm glad there was a happy ending. I can't imagine a poor pup screaming her head off because of something that could be prevented. :(

Deb, I would contact Ann or Admin about the tags. Maybe they could do something about it.

I would think anyone could just hit the little exclamation point and report it. I think the admin can actually see who is placing the tags. I remember something being said about him considering that. Seems there are people who think bad tags are useful. So immature imo.

Please reconsider breeding your girl. She is too young and you are too inexperienced. If you had read one book (just one!) on breeding, you would know the answer to these questions. You really shouldn't even consider breeding without doing the least bit of research. You are toying with your girl's life. Get yourself a mentor and start reading up about breeding. Good books to start with are Ann Seranne's The Joy of Breeding your Own Show Dog and Dan Rice's book on dog breeding. I hope that helps!

I think admin ought to have more control over tags. However, I found out when I got all upset about the tags on my review and some of my other threads that they aren't that effective or damaging. Sure it points people to certain threads but I couldn't tell you how many puppy inquiries I have had where the people say "Oh, we read that "stuff" about you and boy, those people are "fill in the blanks". Some people have made it their lifes mission to out people but when people know you, it just makes the posters look bad and basically "outs" them to show the kind of person they really are hiding behind computer screens. I wish I had a hundred puppies to sell instead of only one because the handful of people on here that have tried to damage me have seriously failed. Sure the new people and those in the "group" will believe anything without checking it out but those good, honest people know what to believe , But some of these tags are so ignorant. You can google YT and several lawyer sites come up about Yt, their tags and the way they let all this bad mouthing go on especially in the breeders section without controlling it. So admin needs to take more control on these things.

glad to see you are feeling better

i googled and only found one site
and this is some of what i read

Just like here on lawyers.com, if somebody says something bad about me the website is not responsible for it nor is it obligated to remove.

It's just my tough luck because that's the risk I take by participating here.

If you are truly suffering loss of revenue you are welcome to sue the website and or the poster but you'll need a defamation lawyer and $5000 to $10,000 just to get him started

Unless you find one that will take it on a continugy (I can't spell that word) LOL like the one in Northern Kentucky that recently won a five million suit against a website for allowing things to be posted that damaged a person's reputation. And against several other people. it was all in the news recently. So no it's not just tough luck. It was in the chicago news but they did a story locally also, I think.

I would like to see the link to that. It must have been a website that had money OR insurance. No attorney is going to go after someone without assets. I see a lot of people threaten action but in most cases they just don't realize how hard it is to really do much. You have to prove loss of revenue...and there must be conclusive proof it was caused by the person being sued...AND there needs to be money involved...or no attorney is going to get involved on a contigency.

We have had people threaten to sue people on here or admin many times over the years it has usually been bad breeders upset with a review or something written about them on here. There is little to nothing that can be done and even an attorney thaT was on here said that. Jeff Dane was going to peoples emails threatening to sue them. Even if he had a case he would have had to prove the info given was false when it wasnt so he was just alot of hot air. We also had an attorney sue a breeder on her for defamation of character and she did not win her suit. This site is about education and part of that is letting people know info about breeders aqnd reviews of breeders. Just because a breeder doesnt like whats been written about them or is embarressed about what has been written about them doesnt mean that info is not accurate and info that can be exchanged on here

The difficult part is proving damage to reputation. Just because someone says something unflattering about a person doesn't make it slander. The person doing the suing has to prove that the other person was malicious and knowingly spread untruths. Relating someone's bad experiences isn't slander. Saying that you got a sick pup from breeder X isn't slander. Saying that breeder X was rude, non-responsive or what ever doesn't meet it either. Saying that breeder X is feeding her sick puppies to the roaming alligators is ( if you know that she isn't.)

Exactly.

Yep! Some people use the sue word to try to stop people from talking. I guess in some cases it works. *shrug*