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I am frankly SHOCKED by all the people who get puppies from breeders and the puppies have giardia and coccidia. Or other parasites. :mad:

I would think that before you breed two dogs you would at least have them checked for something like parasites, not to mention all the other recommended health issues in yorkies. Even if you were just an ignorant pet owner sticking two dogs together, it seems you'd at least make sure they were physically healthy enough to breed and had basic health screening like a fecal. :confused:

I keep assuming the people they get these sick puppies from are actually parasites themselves. True?

I agree.
Poppy came to me crawling with ear mites, I noticed her scratching the first day I brought her home and took her to the vet. At first they thought it was an infection as it took a while for the eggs to hatch and for the vet to be able to diagnose the mites. But she was treated straight away.
I dont know how the 'breeder' could have missed something like that, it's cruel and irresponsible.

I agree also. That's why we should always purchase from a good breeder. A good breeder would have a health guarantee. The first few days when you bring the pup to the vet the pup would be returnable if it was sick or infected. It is very sad to see all these pups suffer because of someones ignorance.

I agree that no one should ignore the basics. I suspect that these types of breeders don't bother with vetting their own dogs.

I also think that the return policy breeders have is bogus. We're not talking about a jacket, or a clock radio, we're talking about cute fluffy puppies. I would think it's safe to assume that the large majority of people fall in love instantly with their puppies and will do anything and everything to get them better. Greeders know this and know that people aren't as heartless as they are. The buyers keep their sick dog, and the greeders keep their precious money. How many go after the greeders for help with vet bills? I think that number is small as well. It's a win win for the greeders in that case. They are no longer financially responsible for a sick dog, and they even profit from the poor pup.

Great post! :thumbup:

Agree 100% a great post!

:thumbup:! I know my breeder stands behind Her pups and if they would ever have a problem(liver shunt, congenital problem, etc) she would take responsibility and wouldn't leave me hanging. I wish everyone could do enough research and find a wonderful breeder. It took me six months before I purchased my pup. If more people would buy from good breeders we would slowly see these puppy mills and BYBs shutting down! One day, one day!

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I agree. A breeder who sells a dog with this type of thing should pay for all vet costs associated with clearing it up. I fell in love with Joey immediately, and I could never return him, no matter what the problem. I also believe it's also up to the breeder to educate the puppy buyer on how to keep their new puppy healthy. It's so sad when I read about new puppy owners taking their 8-week-old puppies for walks.

Or even the 6 week olds. :rolleyes:

EXACTLY.....that's why I will NEVER pay these huge prices from ANY breeder. I don't care how long the "health guarantee is for" and I don't care how wonderful they are either. These high prices they want you to pay will basically pay for a second puppy EASY. If not for three or even four "replacements".....if your like most dog lovers, you "instantly" upon buying a puppy, feel, along with love, a strong since of responsibility for the little life you've chosen to take home as "yours forever" After all, you're the one stuck at the vets office looking like a loser if you don't do something to save it.................and they ALL know that. Yeah, I'm looking at it strickly from a paying customers viewpoint....but..I'm the buyer and I'd rather pay for "one puppy at a time" and cross my fingers. I've done that all these years and I haven't had a sick dog yet. Lucky? I don't think so. Dog breeders have their agenda...and I have mine. There ARE no guarantees....no matter WHO you buy your dog from.....not health, weight, appearance.....guesstimations are really all you get.....especially with yorkies.

I've got to disagree with you on this, I bought a purebred from a byb, and it had inherited genetic defects from bad breeding practices. The emotional costs always outweigh the financial costs. A good breeder stands behind her breeding, she will return your money, she will emotionally support you in any decision you make. Even good breeders may produce sickly dogs, its what she does that determines whether she should continue breeding. I'm not sure people understand the importance of healthy dog, until they get a sickly one. When you purchase from a breeder, you are telling them you support their breeding program, and you think they are doing what right. It up to puppy buyers to put bad breeders out of business.

Hi Nancy!!...well..you have a point. If they take complete responsibility for any inherited genetic defects that show up in a dog and any and all subsequent treatments, tests and medications necessary...for the entire life of the dog.................I read on another thread where some guy bought a dog from a pet shop and it ended up with a shunt. So far, he's paid out $10,000.00 in vet bills for treatment to save the dogs life. That wasn't a typo....That's in addition to the hefty price I'm sure he paid for the dog. I'm sure anywhere between, what, 1,500 and 3,800? Anyway, he thought the dog would be healthy afterwards and is presently very dissapointed because the dog has to be on a special diet the rest of it's life and will still be under threat of getting sick again and dying for the rest of his life .....I'm sure he will have LOTS of subsequent visits to the vet as a result of the shunt. I feel really sorry for him.

Therein lies the difference. If a breeder cannot be bothered to place their own puppies, or even care remotely to know where they will end up, they are not going to stand behind their breedings. Bottom line is they don't care about anything but the money lining their pockets.

I am always surprised too -- maybe some of the states do not require Health Certificates. Florida does and they must have vaccines and wormings listed on them.

Florida has a pretty good Puppy Lemon Law. I can't believe how many breeders in Florida have Health Guarantees that are showing much LESS than the law requries. In Florida a BUYER has the right to choose what course of action to take if (a) a puppy is found unfit for sale due to illness or disease (including internal parasites) within 14 days of sale and (b) a puppy is found unfit for sale due to genetic or inherited condition within one year of sale, the buyer may choose one of the following:
(a) The right to return the animal and receive a refund of the purchase price, including the sales tax, and reimbursement for reasonable veterinary costs directly related to the veterinarian’s examination and certification that the dog or cat is unfit for purchase pursuant to this section and directly related to necessary emergency services and treatment undertaken to relieve suffering;
(b) The right to return the animal and receive an exchange dog or cat of the consumer’s choice of equivalent value, and reimbursement for reasonable veterinary costs directly related to the veterinarian’s examination and certification that the dog or cat is unfit for purchase pursuant to this section and directly related to necessary emergency services and treatment undertaken to relieve suffering; or
(c) The right to retain the animal and receive reimbursement for reasonable veterinary costs for necessary services and treatment related to the attempt to cure or curing of the dog or cat. Reimbursement for veterinary costs may not exceed the purchase price of the animal.

There are a lot more requirements and protections in the Puppy Lemon Law: http://www.lemonlawact.com/floridas-...lorida-277.htm Buyers should always check your state laws to see if you have similar protections.

Too many FL breeders have Health Guarantees that do not give these options to the buyer, which is highly unethical.

Yeah....I guess you can call the reputable breeders the "doggy saints" of the world. Shoot, I've been sitting here thinking that if a good breeder is lucky to break even financially on their breeding business, and over the years, have even just a few liver shunt puppies out there in the world that they are under contract for all medical expenses for the duration of that particular dog's life. Well....all I can say is, I imagine that is quite the drain on the personal finances of that breeder outside of the breeding program.....and there are more life threatening defects other than shunts of which I'm sure are floating around too. It's mind-boggling. If that guy who bought the dog from the pet shop that had the liver shunt had bought his dog from a reputable breeder, then that breeder would be paying the $10,000.00 for the surgery and vet bill (minus the, say 2,000 for the dog)....and that's just the initial cost. The dog is young and will probably be going to the vet all the time as a result of the shunt. So, who knows how much of a loss a breeder would be in for....incredible!! It sounds like in order to be able to be a really good breeder that somebody has to have one heck of a job and not mind a whole lot of "that" money going towards other people's dogs.