I hope this isn't a dumb question..
 

There is a woman who comes into my job on occasion (I work in a bar) and she sells flowers, bears etc. Anywho, one night we were talking and she tells me that she sells Yorkies. I've been seeing this woman for about 3yrs now and just recently called her up inquiring about her dogs.

I've read up about Puppy Mills and I def. dont' want to purchase from someone like that. But with her..I don't know. She told me she's been breeding Yorkies for 22yrs. She currently has 12 that she breeds. She told me that at some point or another one of the dogs is having puppies, so she always has them for sale.

She also told me that from time to time she will cross breed her yorkies and another dog (to make a "morkie"). She doesn't charge much for her dogs $500. I asked her about microchipping and she told me, "I dont' do that. If your dog gets lost I dont want it coming back to me"

The only really helpful info she told me about is hypoglycemia. And making sure the new doggie always has food out. I feel like, I know the answer to my question but I'd really like for you all to fill me in.

Again, please no flaming. I so dont' want this to go about this all the wrong way.

If your question is~should you purchase a puppy from this woman I would say absolutely not. She is a puppy mill in the making. She mixes breeds, sells on the cheap, doesn't want to ever see them again. She is not someone that is making breeding decisions for the betterment of the breed.

Not sure why you would think there would be flaming involved in responses to your question. It's legitimate to want opinions about a decision about adding a new puppy to your family. :)

She sounds like a breeder that is just in it for the money

You get what you pay for...and it might mean tons of money and lots of heartache down the road if you get an ill-bred puppy. I'd say don't even consider buying from this woman.

Thanks! I just didn't want responses like, "yes this was a dumb question - OF COURSE she's a breeder" :(

I just wasn't in the mood for the possibility of a smart @ss remark.

But yeah, I kinda got that vibe but I felt like I should ask the pros just in case.

I know..the price sounds soooo good though! I've been w/o Molly (I found her, returned her) for about 4 months now. I really can't afford $1k+ on a dog right now. :(

This person is only breeding for money. No concern for anything else.

Doesn't Microchip. AKC requires that now. Doesn't want them coming back to her. A responsible breeder always wants that, if one should need to be rehomed or lost.

Save your money a bit longer and find a puppy from a responsible/reputable breeder. You buy your breeder first then your puppy. Your breeder should be there for you for the rest of that puppy's life.

breeds 12 yorkies at a time? And cross breeds? Yeah RUN.

You can find a AKC, microchipped, HEALTHY yorkie for that price. I did. Keep searching.

I know it is tempting since the price is right. But it sounds like she probably doesn't do a lot of health testing and probably no health guarantee. So a good priced puppy could end up costing you a lot more in money and heartache. As someone who has bought from a pet store and a byb before it's very easy to get a sick puppy that will cost you thousands of dollars in vet bills. I know the right baby is out there for you. Just do like you are and research the sellers and wait for the right one.

I'd look for a rescue in your area, it's more affordable assuming you find a rescue that doesn't have huge obvious vet bill requirements. Insure it so that if it gets sick it's covered, and you can love and rehabilitate a dog that needs a home, then some day when you have the dollars, you can buy one from a reputable breeder.

(btw I'm not for or against buying from I breeder or rescuing.. I've bought from an amazing breeder, and had a great time, but if you can't afford to go with a breeder, saving a sick or homeless puppy is better than supporting a breeder who is appearing to only be in it for the money.

You have to be careful though. Although the price up front sounds great, $1,000 is nothing when you start dealing with vets, specialist, and prescriptions for a sick pup.

:thumbdownI would not buy from this lady. Continue your seach and saving your money.:)

Hey

i was trying to find the part of about mandatory micro-chipping and all i found was in indiana.. thats the only place that looks mandatory

"We believe, however, that the final decision about identification—whether by collar, tattoo or microchip—should be made by the owner, not the government"

but maybe you found some more current info please pass my way because i hadnt heard about this and i want to be prepared and updated

THANKS

ok reading more...says its "the proposed set of laws would require: " so its not not a law yet? it seems again the rules are for indiana not sure???

so are they working on getting all the states on board? sorry not trying to be a pain but new to AKC and want to make sure i do things right


thanks!!!

This is an AKC requirement, I said nothing about the government. If you are breeding your dogs must be identified; not collar. Tatoo was done priorly, however, it has gone to MicroChip. AKC sells their Chips/Scanners via their store. Pet ID, DNA of required Sires, Paper Work, identification of each dogs on crates. If you're breeding you need to go and read their requirements. There will be a time that they may inspect you. It doesn't matter if it's 1 litter or 7 litters a year.

By "we" do you mean you. We still have to identify via License, the government requires rabies.

By the way in since you quoted me, the "Hey" was addressing me wasn't it? Not being rude but, I do have a name.

Run! Run as fast as you can.

She does not seem to really care about the dogs, maybe the money, I personally would not buy from her

She hasn't been breeding yorkie for 22 yrs, she's been exploiting yorkies for 22 yrs! And she has TWELEVE females? OMG she is a byb on the verge of puppymill. How can you even take care of 12 bitches not to mention her males??? Oh wait, YOU DON'T. Not properly anyway. She doesn't want those dogs getting back to her bc she doesn't give a flying flip about them. this woman makes me sick.:thumbdown she needs to sell some more stuffed bears and flowers and stop living off the backs of innocent animals. :mad: Now i'm in a really bad mood.

my quotes were directly off the akc website and no where on there did i find that it was requirement to microchip or tattoo..i was asking for where that particular info was located so that i could read it

"hey" was a greeting...didnt think addressing you by name was necessary since i quoted you.

the "WE" was from a quote off the AKC website thats why there was quotation marks

i have not bred a litter of akc to date..i do have 2 akc yorkies

i know about the gov't requiring rabies

i swear i was generally interested in learning about the mandatory id requirements and all you can do it pick apart my post.

i was on the AKC site, and quoted AKC comments..i wasnt meaning you and me when i copied and pasted the "WE"

you get defensive because i said HEY

forget it...its not worth it

just a heads up for anyone else that was interested in the required id through AKC

i just got off the phone with Ruth at the AKC headquarters in NY

and it is NOT required to id, mircrochip or tattoo by AKC or for AKC

feel free to check behind me 212.696.8200

Who ever you spoke to gave you incorrect info. I've been at my breeder's house when the AKC rep had been there. And used his scanner to insure her dogs were microchiped. It is one of the requirements.

By the way the workers in the know are at tne Raleigh offces not the NY offices.

i just called and got AKC
i used the AKC number listed on the AKC website and got an AKC employee named Ruth
who explained that, that is not a requirement

i have no seen where all the for sale ads are selling akc puppies say micrcochipped
i purchased one not 6 months ago that was no id'd and one a year ago that was not id'd

the akc employee did mention that she had heard it before but that it was not AKC

call your self

AKC Headquarters
260 Madison Ave
New York, NY 10016
Telephone: 212.696.8200
Office Hours: 8:15 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. ET
weekdays (Monday - Friday) except holidays

American Kennel Club - Contact AKC

AKC Operations Center
8051 Arco Corporate Drive, Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27617-3390
Telephone: 919.233.9767
Office Hours: 8:15 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. ET
Customer Service Hours:
8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. ET
weekdays (Monday - Friday) except holidays
AKC Headquarters
260 Madison Ave
New York, NY 10016
Telephone: 212.696.8200
Office Hours: 8:15 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. ET


apparently there are two locations

ill call Raleigh...since you say the NY location is not knowledgeable of their own business

Sigga at the Raleigh location just confirmed it is NOT a requirement
to microchip or tattoo or whatever your pup or a litter of pups

so now i have spoken with 2 AKC employees at 2 different locations and received the SAME info

i did find something on the site..but it pertains to LARGE number of dogs (its states 20 plus dogs), kennels, pet stores and that some time of identification is required to maintain information on how old, who the parents are, akc registration number...be it a tag, a tattoo or chip...sounds more like if your a puppy miller you need to keep tabs on who's who

im calling for clarification

spoke to Sarah in Raleigh


collars are acceptable forms of id, tags, ur supposed to id your dog but it does not have to be micro chipping so an every day collar and tag is fine

if you have 20 or more dogs you are required to have good identification and can CHOOSE to microchip and they have scanners to confirm the chips when they visit

I really dislike this statment..Im not defending this 'breeder" at all, but you can spend thousands of dollars and get a sick dog. I have never paid over 600 hundred dollars for my "pets".. they are not show quality and other than a few belly aches and a ear infections.. they all have been relativly healthy. If you are only looking for a pet quality dog, then why is it so wrong to only spend a hundreds of dollars on a dog and not thousands???

i agree with most of what has been posted about this topic, you should probably look for another breeder.

NY location is headquarters for all the muckie mucks.

Now, I think there is a bit of confusion going.

No, the AKC does not require you chip the pups you sell.

However, if you are operating a kennel your breeding dogs must be identified. Tatooing was the preferred method until Mircochipping entered the picture. Again if you are breeding dogs your breeding dogs must be identified. AKC does sell chips an scanners by a manufacturer of their choice.

In addition individual crates must have the dog's information on them. Registered Name, DOB, Sire & Dam names, registration number, DNA #, Chip #.

# of dogs has no bearing, I know breeders that have no more than 6 breeding dogs. If you are breeding the requirements are the same, a permanent, nonremovable id on the dog, info on crate and all paper work in order; Breeding dates, whelping dates, who you sold your pups to, DNA info, shot info.......