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"The ASPCA Poison Control Hotline received 39,000 calls from owners of pets who were exposed to ant baits, slug bait, and rodent bait. Insecticide sprays, rodenticide baits like mouse and rat poison are all potentially deadly to pets, who are attracted to the toxins due to the smell. Also, a rat or mouse who dies from eating rat poison could end up in the pet's home or yard when these products are used, and if the cat or dog eats the poisoned animal, this could transfer the potentially deadly warfarin rat poison and other chemicals to the pet's body, causing hemorrhoraging and even death." |
My kitties always bring me nice surprises like mice! Just last week they brought one in the kitchen that wasn't dead! I ran upstairs to wake my husband up to catch it! So far no little yorkies have brought one in here! Hope your little furbaby stays well! |
My vet said that unless they start vomiting, they don't need to be seen. Even though the poison does cause bleeding...apparently before that happens they start vomiting. I learned that after two of mine got a rat one day. ewww ... I called and they said if they vomit, bring them in. One of them did start vomiting and we went in and they did lab work to make sure he was not poisoned. Yes, they can have problems if they eat a rodent that has been poisoned. |
The lethal dose for an average size mouse is a 1 time dose of .09 mg of rat poison. The lethal dose for the average Yorkie (5 lbs) is 6.57 mg for 5 consecutive days. And that is if the dog eats strait rat poison, not what has already been ingested by another animal. Typically a mouse is going to eat more than the minimum lethal amount, but not that much more. |
O boy, that had to be yuckey....hope she will be okay....they do the darnest things don't they? |
I am not sure you are correct about there not being a danger if a dog eats a rodent that has been poisoned. The sites below all refer to secondary poisoning by dogs ingesting rodents. How to Tell if a Dog Has Eaten Rat Poison: Rat Poisoning Symptoms in Dogs, Signs of Warfarin Toxicity Dog Rat Poison Symptoms Dog Poisoning |
I'm sure that it could potentially make the dog sick if it ate enough. I have no idea how much would have to be ingested in order for that happen, but based on the numbers I would think it would still have to be a considerable amount (in comparison to a mouse), but maybe not. Who knows. I don't really know what to say. Numbers don't lie. You can see from my previous post that the amount needed to get the same results is MUCH more for a dog than a mouse--way more than it would be possible for one mouse to still have in it's system. Facts are facts. |
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All I know is that it was a concern when mine had a rat and they did not actually eat it. When one started vomiting, my vet felt he needed to be seen. She is out of town this week, but I will ask her just so know for future reference. The problem is that IF it were too much. by the time a person realized it the dog could end up dying from blood loss. Warfarin is a powerful substance. Not sure I would want to test that theory about amounts. Vitamin K is not a huge deal to give. |
I spoke with a vet tech and she said with large dogs it is less of a concern. That "probably" a small dog would not have a problem; but that it is always safer to err on the side of caution and check the blood. But....here is something creepy.....some rat poisons still contain strychnine. I just found the following link that is really frightening: Beware - Rat Poison Doesn't Only Kill Rats - It Can Kill Dogs Too! |
Oh I certainly understand and agree with you LJ....it never hurts to err on the side of caution especially when precautions can be easily taken, as is the matter in this case.:thumbup: I found out the hard way that one of mine is allergic to shrimp...snatched up a miniscule crumb of a piece and spazzed out. Different things affect different dogs in different ways. Always something to be aware of. Just to further explain where I'm getting this information so it doesn't seem like I'm just pulling numbers out of the air: Every company is required to register the LD50 of their product with the FDA. (LD50 = lethal dose needed to kill 50 percent of controlled test subjects.) The LD50 for the average warfarin containing rat poison (d-con, rodex, etc), as registered with the FDA is: 3mg per kg for 1x dose for rats and mice 3mg per kg for 5 days for dogs Avg mouse = 30 g = .03 kg x 3mg (LD50) = .09 mg 1 time Avg Yorkie = 5 lbs = 2.25 kg x 3mg (LD50) = 6.75 mg for 5 days There is actually a rat poison out that I heard about not long ago formulated specifically for rodents...a dog would have to eat some ridiculous amount, like 20 lbs or something to be lethal. I don't remember the name of it though...it's one of those things that someone told me about that I 'wrote down' so I'd remember it and then go figure, have no idea where I wrote it down. :p |
On a side note...know what this conversation reminds me of? Ever seen the movie "9 to 5" with Dolly Parton and Lilly Tomlin? :D |
I should watch that one again...could use the chuckles! :) One of the funniest ever...well Bird Cage was actually my favorite along with There's Something About Mary. Ok....we are not on movies are we? :p As for the poison: I agree that it is unlikely a dog would die from eating a mouse that ate rat poison, but just put it out there because some people read things and don't read the same thing that you and I read. |
Oh yuck, my breakfast is just churning. lol!!! So far the yorkies haven't eaten anything like that or brought anything through the doggie door. ugh!!! But, we also have 2 schnauzers and I had one that passed away 2 yrs. ago that everytime he either found something or I don't know if he actually killed it, but, he would not eat it, he would bury it. He buried a blue jay in my flower bed and out by our shed in the back he buried a squirrel. He just laid it out with all legs sticking straight up in the air like that was what he was supposed to do. He still got a bath. Anything like that just grosses me out. |
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Knowing mine as I do, I don't think she would even pick up something like that. Crossing my fingers! |
OMG I thought bugs were bad I thought seeing my boy eat bugs were bad. He first has to play with them though. In the whole scheme of things eating twigs and leaves is probably a good thing. |
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