I wonder the same thing. I had mine fixed as soon as my Vet would do the surgery...which was at 6 mos. I have brother and sister Morkies. The last thing I'd want is a litter of "Inbred F2 Morkies." How could I even advertise that??

"rare" puppies for sale..."inbreforkies" hahahaha :D

I've been researching and researching to no end about responsible breeding practices. I've learned sooo much but I still feel that I need to re-read and re-research to refresh...etc. It terrifies me the thought of having a litter with birth defects and I'd end up raising them all because thats my responsibility because thats what "I" created. But do thoughtless BYB worry about this?? Does the thought even cross their minds?? probably not. They cant afford a spay/neuter or C-section or proper vet care, but they think they could handle a sick puppy?? or a sick momma??

I think YT should put a sticky about the subject in every section of YT so that everyone has an opportunity to see it on this forum. Granted-not everyone will read it...but it would be easily seen for anyone skimming the forums.

I realize nobody is perfect but to come to YT looking for help for a dog thats whelping pups or a few days from it--thats even stupider!!! Most of us on YT know exactly where babies come from and how to prevent it if we really dont want babies.

Well said!

And there are dogs who suffer as a result of their carelessness. Given the person behind the post vs the dog...I'm going to side with the dog.

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For awhile I have been reading these posts and shaking my head. I am trying to figure out the concept some people have. I love my dog and I would do anything for her, but in the next breath they breed her to anything that is available and then want to ask for help. So what happened to loving the dog and doing anything for her. In my opinion if they loved their dog they'd have gotten it spayed/neutered. But that's just my opinion. I just find it totally irresponsible to come on a public forum and ask for help when the dog is days from whelping and then get all righteous when the answers you want aren't given. Get over it, The advice isn't bashing or being mean it's just straight honest bluntness. My Mom used to always say "If you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen"

I have never bred and never will, but yes, there are dogs who suffer as a result of the carelessness of some breeders. Too sad. I read on here somewhere, can't remember where, that if you are breeding to experience birth, you should also go experience euthanasia. Wish I could remember who posted it.

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And those same people own the dogs that have put their lives in jeaporady. Again animal cruelty in another form.

I don't believe these people come on and post these things for sympathy, they are seeking affirmation for what they have done. For whatever reason (I haven't been able to figure out yet), they get upset when they don't recieve it and call the advise that is given as abussive or bashing. But, what bothers me the most is the chiming in from some people; breeders and non breeders.

So true! :thumbup:

I agree with everything that has been said previously. The one thing that sticks out the most is when other jump on the we are so mean bandwagon. Maybe if we all just posted congratulations they would then be all happy as clams. :rolleyes:

Some of the things that I have read in the breeder forum make me want to just cry. :( Last night it was the General Forum that was had me so upset. Dogs in a shed! I just cannot get past that even today. It's just sick.

.....and there's the rub.

Same here! We have had rat terriers but we only allowed 2 litters. Period.

I read through all 3 pages of post. I was amazed at some but fine with most. The only people who should breed are those that understand all that it takes to breed (including the whelping, the dangers and the sleepless nights). These are the people who have taken the time to "learn" their breed and their dog.

Sadly I lost a little girl when she was about 6mos old because of a genetic defect. Her breeder owned a pair and bred them. When I got my registry papers I found out that the parents were related. They shared the same dad. She died from an enlarged liver shunt but she suffered multiple seizures before she died. We were at the vets every week to every 2 weeks. It took a few test to rule out what could be to what was the problem. The vet was talking about surgery when she died. :cry:

Now I have learned all the questions to ask and the paperwork to make them show me.

I am so sorry for your loss. If only people would think ahead, like reputable breeders do, and think about their dogs, AND the people they will be affecting before they breed. People suffer too.

I'm sorry for your loss. Stories like yours just exemplify why breeding should only be undertaken by those who really know what they are doing. No reputable breeder would have ever done something so reprehensible. It causes too much pain, both for the pups and the people who bring them in to their lives with the intention of loving them for years and years.

I will admit when i got Gatsby i did consider breeding him. after all why not right its just a quick way to make some money? WRONG. it still upsets me that people i know and care about think breeding dogs is a okay thing to do for some extra cash, I hate that.

nearly a year ago i got my wake up call in more ways then one the day i brought Gatsby home from the hospital after a blood transfusion i got a call from my cousin saying there dog had had 4 puppies and she was frothing at the mouth and shaking real bad by the time i got thear she had had one more puppy and was just laying thear like she was dead. when we got to the vet he said her puppies wear to big and birth nearly killed her and what my cousin described had probably been a seizure. i was so scared for this little girl. but i took her home and the kids promised me they would call me if thear was another problem a week later i got a call from one of the kids saying thear dad had dumped mom and the puppies in a church parking lot again i went out to find her when i got thear the puppies wear cold and wet and i could not find mom it took us an hour to find her and get her in the car thankfully she trusted me. so then i had 5 puppies covered in fleas with upper respiratory infections that i felt responsible for in another week the pups combined outweighed mom with all of her extra weight from having been pregnant now i was nursing two pups around the clock as well as taking care of mom and my 3 dogs in the end mo weighed 12 pounds and as adult dogs the puppies weighed 8,12,16,16 and 20 pounds now i own one of the pups and my best friend has one the other three and mom belong to the same family they are all fixed and liveing happy lives as spoiled babies but after my experience with them i would never ever breed a dog especially not my baby.

Hi Misslissa,
thanks for posting your experience. I know it is not easy to be typing it in all the time, but i wanted to encourage you to share this in some of these "accidental breed" threads... who knows, maybe someone can see and think about it, and maybe someone who would be otherwise rejecting the good advice to spay and neuter can have a feel from reading your experience.
I am glad to hear that at the end all was good for this momma dog and her pups, and you stepped up to responsibilities that were never yours, but you got rewarded with a happy ending and a lot of wisdom that you can share.
This thread is really awesome, i hope will be live for a while.
Blessings.
XOXO

That's a good idea. I know a lot of people, including me advise people to go read the breeding forum and they'll see it's not all puppy eyes and puppy breadth. I wonder how often do they go look?

Good posts everyone!! I can't even look in the breeders section anymore because I think if I read all about all these "accidental" knock ups, I will say baaaaad things and will get suspended!!! So I don't dare look!!

Hehehe,,, i see some pretty upset people in there all the time. I just do not know what else to answer on those posts . I admire the ones who never get tired of writing the same advice over and over . But we all need to try our share to end up pet dumping and homelessness... It is not a lost battle, we just need to keep going. They did close a puppy shop here in my area not too long ago. It is working !!!

XOXO

Not often enough.

i agree it isnt safe for the puppies due to the unexpectancy of it all! :aimeeyork

Great post

Here is what I want to say and post on every thread forum but Particularly the Breeders Forum:

We welcome all questions to this forum: but understand that none of the posters here be they breeders or not can or will subsitute for the absolutely necessary vet care advice, and your own personal mentor.

Breeding is a huge responsibility, and one that requires a whole lot of research, and a whole lot of dedication to the breed to undertake.

Collectively this forum, is first and foremost concerned with the health of the breeding pair, which is a step but not the first step, to help insure healthy puppies. This means you plan your pregnancies and do all the required health testing before you allow your female to mate.

Accidental pregnancies? Of course they can happen, but once you suspect such has occurred we would love to know that you have gotten the appropriate vet care and advice for your bitch. The surest way to insure no unplanned pregnancies is to get all your dogs neutered at an appropriate age. Please remember at the first and earliest sign you suspect your bitch might have an unwanted pregnancy, you can bring her in for a spay and neuter.

One of the most cited reasons for wanting your bitch to breed is; I just wanted her to experience being a Mom one time. Well that is only your want, certainly not necessarily your dogs. It quite simply is not enough of a reason to breed blindly, with no experience, with no research, with no mentor, with no plan in place for all the challenges and responsibilities of breeding.

So ask your questions, but please before hand read all the threads here on whelping, breeding, health tests, etc. These threads can be found at the top of each forum, and some are in the YT Library.

QUOTE=gemy;3200526]Here is what I want to say and post on every thread forum but Particularly the Breeders Forum:

We welcome all questions to this forum: but understand that none of the posters here be they breeders or not can or will subsitute for the absolutely necessary vet care advice, and your own personal mentor.

Breeding is a huge responsibility, and one that requires a whole lot of research, and a whole lot of dedication to the breed to undertake.

Collectively this forum, is first and foremost concerned with the health of the breeding pair, which is a step but not the first step, to help insure healthy puppies. This means you plan your pregnancies and do all the required health testing before you allow your female to mate.

Accidental pregnancies? Of course they can happen, but once you suspect such has occurred we would love to know that you have gotten the appropriate vet care and advice for your bitch. The surest way to insure no unplanned pregnancies is to get all your dogs neutered at an appropriate age. Please remember at the first and earliest sign you suspect your bitch might have an unwanted pregnancy, you can bring her in for a spay and neuter.

One of the most cited reasons for wanting your bitch to breed is; I just wanted her to experience being a Mom one time. Well that is only your want, certainly not necessarily your dogs. It quite simply is not enough of a reason to breed blindly, with no experience, with no research, with no mentor, with no plan in place for all the challenges and responsibilities of breeding.

So ask your questions, but please before hand read all the threads here on whelping, breeding, health tests, etc. These threads can be found at the top of each forum, and some are in the YT Library.[/QUOTE]

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Wow! Save this on computer and post this lots! :thumbup:

That needs to be a sticky at the top of the breeders section!

I agree!

I don't know if it's possible to make it appear before going to the actual write up. Kinda like at the YTCA website, when you want to look at breeder referrals, it takes you to a page that explains the ups and downs of owning a toy breed. If we had something similar in place in the breeder section, where when a person clicks to post a new thread, they are directed to the next page, with Gemy's message, and after reading it they click ok. Then they are directed to the new thread write up.

I'm sorry I don't know the technical term for any of that, but I think it would be a good idea. I would also put it in the nursery section, because some "breeders" post their questions there too.

Gail's/Gemy's post is excellent and should be added to the library. It would be great we could get everyone to direct a poster with intentions of breeding or one with an oops breeding to those links in the library...and not post anything else. It would be a great way to minimize frazzled nerves.