I just adopted a new yorkie pup. I was hoping to get some questions answered.
 

Questions


<--- Meet Suki =]

1. Suki came along with papers stating she was a pure breed. Her family tree says that her family line came from blk/tan & blk/gld ancestors. My thought process was that since her ancestors were blk/tan & blk & gld she would remain those colors. Now she's 3 months old and i've notice some silver outgrowth. Does that mean she will be a silver/blue yorkie?

2. Her papers came along with her parents reg no. & I was wondering if there's a possibility I can track down her parents to see pictures and health history.

3. When I adopted Suki she had an inguinal surgery. My best friend has a Pomeranian who is unneutured and the same age as suki (both purchased at the same time ) Although I don't plan on breeding suki is it hazardous for her to have puppies when she had the inguinal surgery?

Thank you so much for taking the time to read my post & I hope you can answer my questions. =]

Welcome to yorkietalk!
Suki is super cute. By any chance, are you a Gilmore Girls fan? Where did she come from?
To answer your question about coat color, her coat breaking just means you've started on the exciting journey of seeing her transform into her adult coat. What it will be, you will need to have seen her parents, grandparents, and so on to make an educated guess as to what color she should end up being.
For #2, I have no idea. I guess it would depend on where she came from.
For #3, forgive me but I have to ask. If you were to breed her, what are your reasons for wanting to breed her? Do you know her pedigree? Her parents health background? There is a lot more to consider than just putting two dogs together.

Thank you =] When I was younger I use to love watching the gilmore girls after school but since I've been in college my t.v has been cut off. But when it was around yes I was! Why do you ask?

Suki came from a puppy store (>_<) I'm not a firm believer on puppy stores but it was near my work and I fell in love with her. I would visit her all the time on my way to work and I became attached to her.


Okay so her pedigree states that her family tree was full of tan/blk as well as gld/tan. No where on the family tree does it say silver/blk. =] So will she stay black and tan or will she turn to silver and blk. Should I purchase a new shampoo then?

I don't plan on breeding suki but the pomeranian is starting to (lack of a better word) hump everything in sight & I'm worried that he might impregnate her. As a precaution I would like to know what would happen if she were to get pregnant. =]

Thank you for replying. =]

I'm a fan too! I thought you named your pup after Suki in the show. There is a member here that has a Rory and a Lane. :)

Did you meet the breeder? They would be the ones to ask the pedigree questions. Humping isn't necessarily a sign of sexual maturity. It is a dominance thing, or a stress/anxiety reliever, believe it or not. If the Pom is only 3 months old I wouldn't worry to much about them getting together to mate quite yet. They're still babies.

I never was able to meet the breeder. I wish I could all I have is sukis parents registered number. I was hoping I could track them down and speak with the breeder and get to know more about sukis parents.

I never actually thought of that. Suki became her name because in Japanese it meants to like/love. =] That's so cool we could pretty soon have the entire cast of gilmore girls . =]

My friends have a group of puppies that we love to get together to have play dates were just all worried that Yoshi will get them all pregnant because they're all girls. .. (>_<)

Welcome to YT I cant answer your questions but i'm sure there is someone here who can.

I also wanted to add, if humping is something that you don't want them to do, teach them it's an undesired behavior. Play with them, let them get their pent up energy out. Distract them with something other than humping. If the humping is a fixation with one particular toy/bed, take it away.

You say here that your pup came from a puppy store, do you mean pet store ?
FYI. if your puppy came from a pet store, you can bet she first came from a puppy mill. If so there is a Very good possibility that the papers have been falsified. As for letting an accidental pregnancy happen , It Is Your Responsibility to make Sure that Does Not happen. It is Never a good idea to breed a dog in her 1st heat as she is still just a baby at that point. Also shelters are FULL of mixed breed dogs that of witch most will die. Why would you risk adding to that ? or take away their chance at a home by letting an accident happen.:(

Thank you very much =]

I am aware that there's a possibility that suki might have came from a puppy mill. Just because a puppy has come from a puppy mill does that mean were not suppose to show love & affection to them? I never thought that I would purchase a dog from a puppy store but one day before work I walked by their grand opening and met suki. I paid a couple visits to see her and fell in love..

I'm not saying that I'm going to allow an "accident" like that to happen. As I mentioned above Suki has several buddies and one of them happens to be a guy who's starting to hump. They're all around the same age.

I know that any future puppies that are at risk for a bad future is what you're worried about and I don't plan on making my dog into a puppy making machine. She's like my daughter and I would never whore her out to other male dogs.

[QUOTE=SUKIGIRL10;3193480]I am aware that there's a possibility that suki might have came from a puppy mill. Just because a puppy has come from a puppy mill does that mean were not suppose to show love & affection to them? I never thought that I would purchase a dog from a puppy store but one day before work I walked by their grand opening and met suki. I paid a couple visits to see her and fell in love..


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No. No one is saying that you shouldn't love your dog or show her affection. Just that you are going to need to be extra careful with her to make sure she doesn't ever breed because you would be playing Russian roulette with the health of both your dog and the puppies. Unfortunately, no matter what a pet store tells you, they DO get their dogs from puppy mills that make their money by breeding without regard to the health of the line :( The easiest and best thing to do is get her spayed prior to her first heat. And encourage your friend to do the same with her pom.

As for her coat color, you won't be able to tell fir sure at this age. Some of the breeders here will tell you that it could take up to two years before her adult coat is fully in. If by some miracle you could track down ACCURATE pics of the dam and sire, it would still only give you a clue but not a guarantee of her final coloring. I would hazard a guess that most registrations will say the parents are black and tan because they were at the time of their registration before breaking their color.

Good luck with your puppy.

Oops, wanted to add:
You said she had an inguinal hernia. Once properly repaired, the hernia does not pose a health risk. But, most vets prefer to do the hernia repair the same time as the spay to avoid a second surgery and the risks of anesthesia. Depending on the severity of the hernia, your vet may recommend an earlier time frame for spaying than they would otherwise.

Welcome to YT. I am not a breeder but I did find some information about inguinal hernias in dogs and from what I have read it is a genetic default that can be passed on to future litters. Along with many other reasons why she should not be bred, this is definitely a red flag as to why she should never be allowed to have puppies. The safest way to prevent her from getting pregnant is to plan a spay. There are many wonderful breeders here whom I feel will tell you the same. I have provided a link for you to read on inguinal hernias. Good luck with your new baby.

www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2090&aid=442

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#2-coming from a puppy mill the chances of seeing a picture of the parents are close to never-they generally don't want anyone seeing those conditions
#3-as a responsible pet owner they should be spayed and neutered. It is best to consult your vet on your visits for her vaccines and get it scheduled as soon as possible.
Breeding is something best left to the pros. Take a look at the breeder forum to see some of the problems that can occur. Puppy mills do not care about genetics and the pain caused to puppies and those who love them. All they care about is the dollar they make.

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First - welcome and 2nd - if you don't want her to have puppies and hopefully you won't - spay her and soon - she sounds like she has some health issues and you don't want to risk her life

I guess you know she probably came from a mill so why not just enjoy her as a pet and make sure she's spayed - that'll solve your other issues with her 'buddies'

I really shouldn't type before having coffee! When I said after having the hernia repaired it would pose no threat, I meant no threat to her health. You are absolutely correct in saying it is something that is considered genetic and could be passed on.

I guess I'm a little flabbergasted that a pet store would sell a pup with an inguinal hernia, even though I know I shouldn't be. They couldn't care any less about the health of the dogs. It's all about the $$$.

first i want to say thank you for getting that baby out of that pet store.

as to your question about color.............the fact that she has both really cant tell what she will look like..........i have seen black/tans turn light and stay dark........same with the blue/golds.....i have heard alot of people say they are Forrest Gump doggies...........meaning ...they are like a box of chocolates...you never know what you are gonna get.

as for the possible pregnancy down the road............first how old is she?
second...........you should take her to your vet and have her accessed before she is 9 months old.................if he says her hip/pelvic area is too narrow....then she should be spayed immediately......if you arent really planning on breeding her anyways....get her spayed NOW!!..........it will be healthier for her.

and thirdly............if it was me.........now this is just my opinion.........but if i had a pet store doggy..........i would go online and order a DNA kit.........they are between 35-60 dollars..........all you do is swab the cheek and i think a small hair clipping(not sure on the hair part)....and mail it in....and they send you back the results...that way you will know if she is indeed pure bred.

It is hard to predict color when they are a puppy.

If the parents are champions you can google and somtimes you can find pictures. Another thing google the breeders name.

She could be breed. If she only has playmates that are males their is no reason she should have an accident. Just don't take her around them when she is in heat...even better have her spayed before her first heat and you will never have to worry. Having mix breed puppies is really not disireable.

How did I miss that you said that your pup came from a pet store? Anyway, you're right, pet store puppies need love too. No one here said don't love her, just don't even consider breeding her. Like Rhetts Mama said, it's a big game of chance, and you and whoever you give the puppies to will be the big losers in the end.

And you're wrong, any puppy sold in a pet store comes from a heartless breeder. Think about it this way. If you were to breed your little girl, and do it correctly because you love her and want to do it safely, you would have put out of your own pocket lots of $$$ in proper health screening. I don't mean a wellness check, I mean an in depth analyses to make sure that she is capable of carrying a litter to term, free whelping without complications, and make sure that she won't pass on any genetic illnesses to her babies. Since you care so much about Suki and her future babies, you make sure the stud goes through all the same testing. It's only fair to the future puppies right?

So that's done, you breed, you watch Suki's belly grow, she delivers and all is well. To make sure that these new little babies have the best start in life possible, you drop everything for 12 weeks (min) in anticipation of the delivery, and to help Suki raise her babies. You've watched these little ones grow, you've seen what an awesome mom Suki is, and now the puppies are 12 weeks old (the min age a yorkie puppy should be leaving it's mom) and it's time to send the new little ones off to their new homes. Wouldn't you then want to know where they are going? I mean, you've spent months preparing for the breeding, months helping Suki raise her litter, and you put lots of love, your sweat and tears into this litter. I bet you want to make sure that they go to the best possible homes right? Would you send them off to a puppy store to be sold to whoever brings enough cash, or has a credit card to pay for it, with no background check? No right. You'd want to ask questions and know exactly who is getting one of your precious babies, because that's exactly what they are, precious little babies. This is what a responsible reputable breeder does. Sometimes they barely brake even.

A puppy store however only cares about making a buck. At the very minimum they have to make enough to pay the rent for their location, salary for the workers, and enough money to purchase puppies from breeders. How do you think they make that money? By cutting corners of course! Puppy mills do not do health screenings, and they do not even minimally vet their dogs. It just costs way to much money. It's easier to get a bunch of dogs, confine them in small crates so that their mess is just where they are sitting, put a dog with a bitch and make sure they mate, wait for the bitch to give birth, count how many puppies they have that survived, as soon as they are weaned, pull them from their mom, and ship them to stores. Whether you'd like to know about it or not, your baby Suki spent days if not weeks sitting in a cage at the pet store away from her mom. If anything, Suki needs more love and attention because of her traumatic past. However, as much as we'd all like to walk into all the pet stores, buy all the puppies and make sure they're loved for the rest of their lives, you're forgetting something. By purchasing that puppy, you put money into the pockets of the people who breed dogs in the most horrendous way. By purchasing that puppy store pup, you told them it's ok to treat dogs this way. Maybe not Suki because she was lucky enough to find such a wonderful loving mommy. But what about Suki's biological mom? Did she have the luck of being in someone's lap that will love her forever?

Sorry for the long marathon post everyone.

1.) Often people will write black and tan or black and gold on the registration papers, since it is done when the dog is a pup and they do not know if they will change or not, so they just write down what color they are as a pup. I know crazy, but many breeders unfortunetly do not know better. Since she is breaking now, she will not be black. You will just have to wait on the tendency of the blue - whether if it will be dark blue or silver. Females usually continue to grow lighter as they age due to hormones.

2.) Most likely no. Since she came from a pet shop she most likely came from a puppy mill. Only champions are most likely able to research and find photos. And since her parents are also not champions you will probably will never know what her parents looked like.

3.)Yes, very hazardous for her to have pups as well as not ethical since this type of hernia is genetic. I would have her spayed!

FYI - Often when people buy a pup from a pet shop they do not know that the pet store doubled the price they paid for the pup. If they got the pup from a broker, which is in many cases, the broker doubled their price they paid for the pup from the breeder to sell to the pet shop. So a pup selling at say, 1,000. from a pet shop was bought at 500. from the broker. The broker most likely only paid 250. for the pup from the broker. Everyone making money from this pup and its parents. So makes you really think, how much care could the breeder have paid for to sell the pup at 250. when we know the cost of vet care. So chances are not pretty good that this pup got hardly any care if any.

P.S. I just read that she is only 3 months of age. Dogs can only get pregnant while in heat and that can start usually around 6 months of age. You can get her spayed at this age and also at this time have any of her retained baby teeth removed if needed. I was not sure you knew this or not.

Did you buy or adopt? Because there is a difference....I was just wondering because your title said adopt but then you were talking about whether to neuter or not...and reptuable rescues always spay/neuter before adopting out...(or maybe adopt with a strict contract)

Just figure if you did adopt then there should be no discussion about spaying/neutering because it is required of any reptuable rescue....and not knowing the pedigree I would never breed...but then even knowing the pedigree I would never breed....I leave that up to the show breeders who are breeding to standard....and I am the lucky one who gets to enjoy their puppies...without all the heartache and time that goes into breeding.

Don't forget probably staying up all night waiting for puppies to be delivered, making sure all are delivered safely without assistance.

As I have mentioned in other threads, I bred Lhasa's in England, when puppies were due, two of my friends (who were Yorkie breeders - got our first two Yorkies from them) would come over and spend the evening with me, and sit up all night waiting for the puppies to arrive. Once we had to take momma to the vet, she needed a C-section to deliver one of the puppies.

Yorkies are much more delicate than Lhasas.

And as someone has pointed out, you cannot guarantee the pedigree from a pet store. There are disreputable breeders out there that are just in it for the money.
Just give Suki lots of love and attention (which I am sure you are already doing), get her spayed as soon as you can, and if she comes into heat before you get her spayed, keep her away from the other dogs.:aimeeyork:aimeeyork

Welcome to YT! Your little Suki is adorable. :)

You said that Suki was purchased at a puppy store so I would assume that by this you meant your local pet shop. Sadly, puppies that are in petshops are from puppy mills. Their parents are just money producing machines and live in very sad circumstances and many times horrible and inhumane conditions.

Although you might like to find Suki's parents you will most likely be very heartbroken by what you would find. Good reputable breeders would never allow their puppies to go to a pet shop since they would want to be involved with choosing the forever home of their litters.

If you have her pedigree there is a way to look up this information and see where Suki came from to help you understand what her background is and where she her parents are located. :(

Thanks for answering her on the color Tina. I was going to say that if her dog is already breaking color she's not going to be dark. I have one of each and Mia (who is dark) never had the color breaking like Max did. Max's head looked like he needed his roots done when I got him at 13 weeks. :D

To the OP - my Mia came from a puppymill/pet store, too. They all need love - just not bred.

And what Tina was telling you about price is true. My Max does come from a well known show line and my Mia from Petland. I paid almost 3x as much for my Mia as I did my Max. Thank God that Mia's healthy but it was really rocky in the beginning - almost lost her a couple of times. Max on the other hand has been as healthy as an ox! LOL!

Good Luck with your new baby and Welcome to YT!

You might be able to find out information on the kennel she came from with internet research. As the others have said, pet store puppies come from USDA commercial kennels aka "puppy mills. You can often find inspection reports and even videos of the kennels online. If you would like me to see what I can find out, let me know your breeder's name either here or in a pm. You can also request a free report from Pet Shop Puppies.

Free Puppy Report

You're right. I wanted to do the cliffnotes version of the story where we assume everything goes right. I've never experienced any part of it so I left the long hours of the whelp out.

At least now I know someone took the time to read that insanely long post. :p

I always read your posts thoroughly:aimeeyork:aimeeyork

I read all posts thoroughly - don't want to miss some important tip that may be buried in the middle of a post :D