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MaddiesMommie 07-11-2010 07:35 PM

I am trying to stay on topic, we could go back and forth all day about wrongs and rights of what I do or you do.
However, this thread was about taking a pet into a no pet hotel. My opinion is, this is a rule if not followed could have an unfavorable outcome to your dog, the next hotel guest, the hotel owners, guest in nearby rooms. With that, I do not think it should be done.
I see your point and do not want to argue. Had this been about doctor shopping, jay walking, or stealing office suppiles :) I would have addressed those topics.

nana911 07-11-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3195781)
By the same token, handicapped people are not directly hurt if someone lies about having a therapy dog, because it's not like the lie makes it legal to refuse service dogs the next time. I believe it would actually be illegal for Walmart (or any other vendor) to refuse to allow entry to someone with a service dog. It's not up to the discretion of the business, it's a law. And here at least, service dogs have some type of official documentation that can be produced on demand. If Walmart questions a service dog, they can ask to see proof.
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Sometimes the way these threads move around is fascinating, you really do have to read the entire thread to keep up!

To clarify the above. It is illegal for any vendor including Walmart to even ask to see any documentation on a service animal. That is why it is so easy to abuse. It is a huge violation if, once they are informed verbally or by seeing the vest on the dog, that they ask any additional questions or ask for any paperwork of any kind. So, yeah, not only is it illegal to allow entry it is illegal to ask any questions. The reason is to protect the privacy and rights of the disabled. Abusing the right doesn't immediately impact the rights of disabled, but on a moral and ethical stand it erodes the rights that they've fought for and eventually, if abused enough will cause those rights to be impeded. Enough dogs parading as service animals carry fleas or bark in restaurants or not act as a trained animal should and watch what happens. They will begin to be allowed to demand documentation and that will cause those that have real disabilities issues they do not deserve.

And I do happen to believe that abuse of marijuana prescriptions has negatively impacted the passage of medical marijuana laws in other states. The doctors at the VA have put my DH on everything imaginable including pure morphine for his issues and they believe that medical marijuana would be the one thing that would help. This for a man that loathes medications of any kind and only tried pot once in 6 decades, I guess if he got it I'd have to bake brownies...anyway, they'll never legalize it in this state due to the problems in California, so yes, it does have an affect.

I'll return you to your regularly scheduled programming....:D

nana911 07-11-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaddiesMommie (Post 3195840)
I am trying to stay on topic, we could go back and forth all day about wrongs and rights of what I do or you do.
However, this thread was about taking a pet into a no pet hotel. My opinion is, this is a rule if not followed could have an unfavorable outcome to your dog, the next hotel guest, the hotel owners, guest in nearby rooms. With that, I do not think it should be done.
I see your point and do not want to argue. Had this been about doctor shopping, jay walking, or stealing office suppiles :) I would have addressed those topics.

awww man, I left out the office supplies thing...:p

pagonzal 07-11-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nana911 (Post 3195613)
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.. Funerals don't leave you much planning time. I'm sure this thread has given you a lot of food for thought for the time when you are able to plan your long term vacations.

Glad it worked out for you!

Thanks! When we do plan a trip, we usually have my parents or my sister care for the furbabies. If we did plan a trip with them, we would definitely pick a pet friendly hotel. I would worry about someone taking them from the room though.

Pam

christiers 07-11-2010 08:24 PM

We travel by car to Alabama every year for Thanksgiving or Christmas and have been doing so since 2001. If one drives straight through, I believe it could be done in 15-16 hours, for us it is always 18-20 hours. The first year we snuck the three furbabies into a hotel, I didn't sleep the entire night, worried they would bark or something. Since that year, we leave at night and just drive, stopping frequently for potty breaks and at rest areas to nap in the car. No more hotels for us, I am a defensive mommy and would get upset if we were asked to leave when the family with the skin children who are screaming and climbing the walls in the next room are acceptable. :)

And I trust so very few to care for them, leaving them behind....well it would just ruin our Holiday, so not an option.

QuickSilver 07-11-2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nana911 (Post 3195846)
Sometimes the way these threads move around is fascinating, you really do have to read the entire thread to keep up!

To clarify the above. It is illegal for any vendor including Walmart to even ask to see any documentation on a service animal. That is why it is so easy to abuse. It is a huge violation if, once they are informed verbally or by seeing the vest on the dog, that they ask any additional questions or ask for any paperwork of any kind. So, yeah, not only is it illegal to allow entry it is illegal to ask any questions. The reason is to protect the privacy and rights of the disabled. Abusing the right doesn't immediately impact the rights of disabled, but on a moral and ethical stand it erodes the rights that they've fought for and eventually, if abused enough will cause those rights to be impeded. Enough dogs parading as service animals carry fleas or bark in restaurants or not act as a trained animal should and watch what happens. They will begin to be allowed to demand documentation and that will cause those that have real disabilities issues they do not deserve.

And I do happen to believe that abuse of marijuana prescriptions has negatively impacted the passage of medical marijuana laws in other states. The doctors at the VA have put my DH on everything imaginable including pure morphine for his issues and they believe that medical marijuana would be the one thing that would help. This for a man that loathes medications of any kind and only tried pot once in 6 decades, I guess if he got it I'd have to bake brownies...anyway, they'll never legalize it in this state due to the problems in California, so yes, it does have an affect.

I'll return you to your regularly scheduled programming....:D



Sorry, I know I went waaaaaay into left field.

Very interesting post. I actually was once asked by someone for proof that Thor was a service dog - I was just picking up some takeout, so I thought I'd just pop in for a second, no big deal.... I didn't say he was a service dog or anything, this annoying little guy asked me as soon as I walked in. Is it possible that it varies by state?

Point taken on the medical marijuana - it was said so reasonably, how could I disagree? :p

Disney 07-11-2010 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3195746)
It's legal in America, and lots of people on this site have docked tails personally.

It's fine that you have strong opinions, and I am truly sorry if you've had extra difficulties in your life trying to get medication. That sounds really unpleasant.

What I'm saying is that if you disagree with something, it is kinder, and generally more effective to explain your position than to condemn people you disagree with. If you said simply, "I think this is wrong, for x, y, and z reasons", I think it's easier for people to hear you, and more gracious. I just felt you were coming on pretty strong. That's all.

I do appreciate well wishes. :) It can be highly frustrating!

I did not bring up the medical thing. I do not express my view on it because as you say I come on strong. I have very volatile and emotional feeling to person who do this in my opinion, downright selfish and kinda evil thing. There no way for me to sugarcoat it because my feeling so intense. Which is why I do not bring it up. If I started conversation about, I would be more careful with my choice of word because it easily lead to drama. However, if someone else mention it, I not concerned about managing other people feelings...I did not bring it up and I feel comfortable expressing my disgust.

QuickSilver 07-11-2010 10:35 PM

I can see that this is a personal and painful issue for you, and I respect that you have very strong feelings about it.

Disney 07-11-2010 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3195960)
I can see that this is a personal and painful issue for you, and I respect that you have very strong feelings about it.

Thanks you! See...Even though I no agree with your point, your attitude is making me want to take your advice lol.

Anyway, OP I glad it work out. Are pet hotel common in America?

nana911 07-12-2010 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pagonzal (Post 3195883)
Thanks! When we do plan a trip, we usually have my parents or my sister care for the furbabies. If we did plan a trip with them, we would definitely pick a pet friendly hotel. I would worry about someone taking them from the room though.

Pam

Ain't that the truth! When we travel by car, we won't eat in restaurants together for fear someone will break into the car and steal a baby. How bad is that? Paranoia, I tell ya!!! :D

nana911 07-12-2010 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3195953)
Sorry, I know I went waaaaaay into left field.

Very interesting post. I actually was once asked by someone for proof that Thor was a service dog - I was just picking up some takeout, so I thought I'd just pop in for a second, no big deal.... I didn't say he was a service dog or anything, this annoying little guy asked me as soon as I walked in. Is it possible that it varies by state?

Point taken on the medical marijuana - it was said so reasonably, how could I disagree? :p

Does not vary state to state, and it's a shame Thor was NOT a service dog because you could have slammed them big time for asking. That is a huge violation of the ADA federal laws. HUGE.

gracious response on the pot, I appreciate that. although your point on institutional resistance is also, really very valid. :)

nana911 07-12-2010 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by christiers (Post 3195896)
[F am a defensive mommy and would get upset if we were asked to leave when the family with the skin children who are screaming and climbing the walls in the next room are acceptable. :)
And I trust so very few to care for them, leaving them behind....well it would just ruin our Holiday, so not an option. [/COLOR][/FONT]

Not only is this thread proving that YTers can disagree in an agreeable manner, I find it interesting that the underlying thread is how Yorkie owners spend so much time trying to figure out how to work/plan our lives around accommodating our babies and causing the least amount of offense and distress to the outside world (non doggie people). Whether it be sneaking the dogs in or driving straight through to a destination, it's whatever is best for our furkids and the least disruption to those that may be disturbed by their presence. You can pretty much bet that you can go to a mommy talk web site and it's a little bit different. It's more like love me love my hyper snot nosed johnny. Whether he breaks your crap or not.

I love you guys......may not always agree with ya, but you always teach me something and give me new ways to see old ideas. And for an old broad that is quite a feat!

Reese1 07-12-2010 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 3195791)
I guess to be honest, this hits a nerve with me, because I feel that it's SO important to consider where another person is coming from, and try to educate when you can, rather than just assume that people are doing something wrong because they are dumb, or spiteful, or selfish, or whatever. If so many people in the world are so awful, what hope is there of making this a better place?

I think it can be very satisfying to judge other people, and you have to be careful not to indulge in it too much. So yeah, that's why I'm writing a five paragraph essay on something the OP has already resolved.

Just thought I would share my opinion on this!
There are degrees of wrong. Sneaking a dog into a no pet hotel is wrong, but it's minor, but still bad behavior.
Same with lying about your dog being a service dog, wrong behavior, IMO.
Finding a Dr. with low ethics that will prescribe marijuana to someone who doesn't need it, is worse. It's "disgusting, immoral behavior" and there should be legal ramifications for doctors & patients who do this, IMO.
I think lying about service dogs, medication needs, etc.. goes a long way into hurting those actually in need & prevent other states from making the marijuana medically legal.
People can do disgusting things and not be evil as you mentioned, but I personally would have a big problem with any of my family or friends taking part in this kind of thing!

143julz 07-12-2010 07:17 AM

TO OP: glad it worked out for you!!!:D

MaddiesMommie 07-12-2010 09:19 AM

As the Thread Turns... :) :)


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