so tell me do you think the dog had a high ALT from the lead toxin in her body and why they thought liver shunt?

Do you think the dog was throwing up and why they did endoscopy and bronchoscopy?

Do you think the dog was having seizures and why they did mri and spinal tap?

so tell me what were the symptoms because I already know from the tests they ran - the dog was throwing up and having seizures

AGAIN if the dog was throwing up why was an XRAY not done before all these expensive invasive tests were done on this poor dog

You've added $.04!

I'm debating having this entire thread deleted. This was never my intention and had no idea that there was so much underlying animosity.

I am moving away from this thread now because I can see where it is going. :rolleyes:

I do think that perhaps in the near future some of us with some respect for the vets who on a daily basis save our dogs' lives and those of countless other peoples' pets should perhaps start a thread about those vets and what they have done!

My dogs are alive and well today because of the care I render.....and also because of my vet. :) I have dealt with many different conditions in pups and still would not self diagnose and/or treat. And, if I did not have confidence in my vet, I would find another. Same thing goes for ANY profession. Some are better than others; but I still say I would rather any vet over a lay person. I have the mind to think, read and ask questions. If a vet seems to be doing something that does not sound right, I ask questions of him/her.

Thank you for an interesting thread.

LOL. It was weird because I only clicked on it once and it said I had to wait 19 seconds between posts. I must have double clicked by accident. :D

I just hope it wasn't me starting up the trouble. I hate to start anything. But it's a valid post. Everyone has different opinions and we're people who are passionate about our babies and their health. :)

;) no it was not you at all so do not feel bad- we all are very passionate about this topic based on our own personal experiences and it is an underlying thing here as some of us do not agree on this topic as you can tell lol

You aren't starting trouble and my original post is only my opinion based off of what I read here. I personally haven't had any poor advice or issues and I'm very pleased with my vet. And yup, at the end of the day we are people who love our pets and want the best for each other.

I'm glad that it wasn't me. I was feeling pretty bad about it. Thank you guys for letting me know. :)

I haven't read through this entire post yet, but I completely embrace the OP's idea. I feel I am very fortunate. I love my vets (regular and ER). I come in with my notebook full of questions and websites. She laughs when I tell her I have a few questions while flipping to the first of three pages of inquiries. She simply takes a seat. When I can't be there for an appointment, because I have to work and hubby has the availability to take one of our fur kids, I send pages....detailing my concerns, questions, and thoughts. She doesn't just read through and tell him or me her opinion or suggestion, she writes her responses down so I can take them with me. She doesn't push me over my decisions to not use Frontline or Heartguard (or similar products). We vaccinate minimally at my request. She doesn't pressure me in regards to nutrition, and will flat out tell me...."I am sure you know much more about these feeding concerns than I through the research you have done, leave me your information, I will consult a nutritionist and let you know if anything needs to change." She acknowledges that they aren't just dogs to me, and I appreciate her effort. I can't tell you that she is like this with everyone, but I certainly feel I receive white glove treatment from her. I feel lucky to have a vet that I trust so completely and hope everyone has this kind of confidence and trust in their vets.

Great post, and thanks for the warm embrace :)

I agree. When my furbabies are sick I go to the vet. If they prescribe a medicine I ask about it and what does it do exactly. If they are not getting any better I will ask for advice here. I have read enough to know who is knowledgable about sickness and who isn't. If it hadn't of been for Dwerten I would of never figured out it was IBD. I love my vet,but when it comes to their diet my vet isn't up to date in my opinion. They sell Science Diet at there office. Dwerten suggested to me to not give him anything with chicken in it. Sure enough that was the culprit. The vet just gave him anitbotics and never mentioned any thing about food. I am a sensible person and if I ask for advice that doesn't mean I am going to do everything I read,but I am more inclined to listen to someone that has experienced a particular situation. Thank you Dwerten:)

I just finished reading this thread. Sometimes I think our differences is why YT is such an interesting place to be. One thing for sure, YT is never boring!

lol....That's for sure.....Tune in tomorrow for the next episode of...... Yorkie Mama Drama......

lol that was good - I always tell dh it is AS YORKIE WORLD TURNS lol so I have to tell him YORKIE MAMA DRAMA now as I like that one better

I would never have thought that a forum where people discuss their yorkies would be so full of drama.

lol put a bunch of women together in any situation and you have DRAMA lol Well at least we can all laugh about it lol

Now where is that man thread

Now, Dwerten.....that is a wise statement.

That's what makes it fun! Sounds like a job for the DRAMA LLAMA.

That's what she said!:D

lol I think we need to ask admin for a new forum section called HOT TOPIC

Very Well Put, you are so rite on here.

I agree. I'm not on like I had been for years but from what I've seen - I totally agree with this.....

People are here for advise sometimes - not a diagnosis.

It's simple common sense - you get ideas - talk to your vet and go from there. Unless someone is qualified they are not medically capable of a diagnosis or treatment online - but many have been there themselves and can 'offer' ideas and suggestions.

Then there's the personal issue - it does help someone to hear from others what they've been thru and to hear the different ideas - sometimes what a vet may not have discussed with them. So - for those that offer help - I think it's great if you have your facts and at least people here care - that helps the person facing the unknown - but it should never take the place of a vet

I said I would not come back, but I want to add some things to all of this. I was extremely busy yesterday as I am many days. I just could not be more detailed yesterday. I have pups to care for and often find myself at the vet and/or groomer. My evenings are often more open, but chances are I will be sewing or doing web updates for rescue. So...I am just not here all that much. Daily yes, but sporadically.

In my opinion, people helping and people scaring the bee gee bee's out of someone are two different things. As soon as a person says, "I don't believe your dog has that" in response to a possible diagnosis a vet has given a person, I get sick to my stomach. HOW could anyone on the internet know that a diagnosis was wrong? I see that SO much lately. And, I also see some people suggesting the same horrific diagnosis over and over for the simplest of symptoms. I just think a bit of caution should be used. Alarming people is very different from educating and sharing. I tend to be much more conservative than many, and I have been attacked for that, but I don't go and throw it in peoples' faces over and over and over and cry foul because they think I am stupid. As soon as I voice an opinion that someone does not like, I get jumped on. Countless times this has happened and some people tend to carry on so much that they get all of the attention and no one even takes the time to go back and read what really happened.

Look at yesterday....here is a perfect example: Dwerten keeps talking about a mistake I made in a Benadryl dosage. First of all.....IF it was an emergency situation (and there actually was one some time ago where I DID give the proper Benadryl dosage) then I would have assisted. It was a day LATER and I simply advised the person to double check with the vet BUT I DID tell them that if they had given the amount they suggesed that was higher than recommended. This person clearly did not understand the difference in mg and ml (cc) which is actually very common. I did NOT calculate how much they should have given. Others did...and Dwerten read that to say that I gave the WRONG amount and was being corrected. I did NOT give an amount of liquid that should have been given. People need to read and think before wrongfully accusing imo. This has been talked about quite a bit by her and finally I simply asked for the post....unbelievable that she keeps on going on about it. It was NOT incorrect...and even if it was, why did she not simply say it THEN in THAT POST? I know why. Anyone reading her posts over and over about me making a mistake will believe I did...and I did not even advise a dose...never mind do it incorrectly.

She stated in the past that she is on a mission....to make me do what she does. That, I believe, is still in a thread somewhere. I am not going to cow tow to her or anyone else.

She is free to keep on doing what she does...including trashing vets and accusing them of making errors when she has not even SEEN the tests and/or dogs .. that is just fine. I am NOT saying that doctors, vets and many other professionals do not make mistakes. Never will you hear me say that...but to continue to blast it all over without evidence in many cases...and to never say anything positive is just wrong imo. Again...my opinion! I will continue to support the veterinary profession because people need to consult with professionals. This is NOT to say I disagree with a forum giving advice and sharing....I share myself. I just don't tell everyone that vets are horrible and that vaccines are causing things that are not proven...and I would not tell people not to listen to a vet. There is a current medical issue with a pup where the poor woman has gotten so many differerent diagnosis handed to her and has said how overwhelmed she is. All I can say is if I had to KEEP coming to a forum with my pups symptoms and the vet was not figuring it out, I would be in a specialists office period. I PMd the person and recommended that...I did NOT suggest a million different scary diagnosis. I just think sometimes it is a bit much. But...again...that is why they make chocolate and vanilla. To each his own.

Bottom line...let me make this clear to all:
I am not trying to get someone banned like people surely think. I also am quite sure that many would love for me go go away. I am not here to argue and accuse...I am here to voice MY opinions. I am not leaving the S&I forum and will continue to help ONLY those that I feel I have something to offer. I am not here to save the world...nor do I much care to run a particular forum. I have way too much on my plate. I don't carry the weight of any forum on my shoulders. If any of us were to leave YT today, it would carry on. No one is so great that the world's pups will die if they are not here to advise. There is always someone to help. All of us are replaceable..that goes for any place in life. Jobs...anything. There is always someone willing to step into someone's shoes.

Wishing everyone a beautiful day. I am going out to my garage to clean...should be fun in the Texas heat and humidity. :D Might think I would do this in January.

OOOOOO, we should start a thread.
Can I, huh? Or are you gonna?????

Be my guest. :)

Linda,

Don't get dehydrated cleaning out that garage.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...us-nsaids.html

Here is how I feel Linda above so you might want to read it

The bottom line is you have a problem with me helping people and whenever I do you jump in the thread and start attacking me and then you yahoo instant messenger other people to jump in and start as well as I have been informed of this as well. If you want to help then help and focus on helping and give your point of view but stop coming into to those threads for the sole purpose of attacking me because my beliefs are different than you. I respect your point of view and will always look at it with an open mind but I will not change my point of view unless it is presented intelligently without meanness. If it is logical to me then I will consider it but if it is not then i will stick to my beliefs and it is ok to agree to disagree and people can make up their own minds as we are adults and God gave us a brain to use it.

As far as the benedryl you obviously missed my point so let me try to explain it again - I do not believe in giving doseages of medication that is MY belief but you can stand by your belief it is ok and I never jump in a thread and tell you that you are wrong to do so but I am not so sure if I did it you would not be so quick to come in and tell me I was wrong for doing so like you have done to others on here. This is hypocritical to me - one thing is ok if YOU do it but not ok if others try to help as we do not do i the way you want us to. People are not always going to be controlled to do it the way you want it done. Ann has said many times no one is in charge here. It is admins site and they can choose if we are helping in a wrong way or not that is not for me to judge. I just keep helping the only way I know how to.

and as for the answer to Rhetts Mama yesterday why I do not go to vet school is because I am very successful in my career and it would be a HUGE cut in pay for me to go to school become a vet as I do loans and know what they make and I have been doing what I do for 20 years. I come on here because I have dogs with health issues and have learned alot for 6 years with my dogs with issues and try to pass that on to others. Do I do it all perfect and make sure every word is proper - probably not and probably never will as I am NOT A VET which with all this non-sense had to put it in my signature as some kept telling me it over and over so had to make it loud and clear.

I am here to help those that want help if you do not put me on ignore as I showed rhetts mama the ignore button already as she wanted to ignore me but obviously has not as feels the need to carry on about it I guess as her beliefs are not the same as mine

Read below where I have helped some including the OP so honestly you want me to stop helping is that the bottom line? Is it about control and people doing things your way or it is wrong? Do i threaten you in some way helping people here? Does it make you feel insecure if I do not agree with you? I honestly welcome when someone corrects me like rhetts mama has and she is welcome to anytime in open forum as she has done in pm's to me about opiate vs opium drugs. I will correct her as I have done about nsaids not being the main choice for drugs being used after surgery no matter what that is as I have done the poll and it is obvious.

Can we not all agree to disagree and move on and help people the best way we know how without attacking one another causing the poor person with a sick dog want to run away from here. Please go back to read the threads as many have pointed out to you that I do not start the drama. I am there helping a person and then out of no where you jump in and start attacking me and others that help in the sick and injured are tired of it and have told you this but you want to continue to do it for what? Why because I do not see it your way? You are not going to change my mind and I will not change yours as we have two totally different experiences with vets - sorry you do not live here and I do not live there as you have a wonderful vet :bravo: but not every does -- just look at the holly scenario below as you ran out not answering the hard questions I asked as always. This dog did not have to endure all that testing it is ridiculous what that dog went through and she is not the only dog going through this

I hope someday we can all get back to helping people and working together not against each other as I think this would be much more constructive as we all bring alot to the table.

No one wants to come on here and hear - go to the vet as many have already been to the vet and some have had wrong things done to them like DEUCY that was pooping blood all weekend after an enema he did not need.

Patti helped someone on here the other night that was putting aneseptic on a dog with an abssessed tooth. She called right on and i provided some back up links and pics and videos and the dog got to vet and had dental when she might have just thought it was a sore. This is what this is all about.

I will say it one more time for the record - I appreciate your help LJ as you have helped my dogs with the clindamycin tablets and you talked to me on the phone when my dog threw up and i was nervous as my vet was out of town and ims was not on that day. Neither of us are bad people and we have good intentions here we just approach it differently.

Look it how you got Rorie that was not all nice nice but she is now with you and you are taking care of her so to say on here that people are scarying people it happens in more ways than one and sometimes it is for good reason as there is something serious wrong

sure go ahead crystal as sadly you are the reason Jodi no longer helps here because you have bashed susan davis so go right ahead and eventually it will just be you and LJ helping people so you might want to start staying up 24/7 as things happen when you are not on the computer to help people.

Linda,

I've had so many people phone me with their medical questions because they don't want to post on the S&I forum. While this is flatering, I'm not a vet. I usually listen carefully, ask a few questions and forward them onto a vet. I guess some people think because I'm so involved with the breed that I'm familiar with every sickness known to the breed. Although, I've had some accuse me of having sickly dogs. I've also seen some make inuendos that their vets' have made incorrect diagnoses. Never taking in to consideration the pet owner has done everything to keep their dog alive, gone to every vet within their geographical area to get a diagnosis on a very rare disease and saved their dogs lives in doing so. This has been done because the pet owner didn't follow a person's diagnosis or advice on medical treatment.

Sad, that people are more concerned with their egos, whose on their side, how many followers they have, than the dog.

I dont have time for this today...but two very quick things;

1: I do not even USE yahoo messenger...NOR do I ask people to come gang up on anyone. The only thing I can figure, since I do often see certain people come along in your support only sporadically when you are upset...is that perhaps you engage in such activity and believe that others do.

2: You and the other critics of Roriee's situation need to ask yourselves what YOU DID. Seriously. I am not going to defend myself because I do not need to do so. That dog was suffering while everyone was telling Randi NOT to surrender her...even telling her to give her lactulose...OMG ... Lactulose was a cure from what was said on one Yahoo group.... UGH NO ONE offered what was REALLY needed....a vet specialist to see that dog. DID YOU HEAR HER SCREAM?????? I did. And I will NOT continue to tell you this. You need to get off your high horse...or put your money where your mouth is. I even tried to pay a considerable amount of money to help Randi KEEP her. What did you offer? I can tell you this: The dog needed money...NOT people advised her what to give the poor suffering dog. I gave Randi another option the day before...she mentioned euthanasia and I offered to pay for that and indivdual cremation so that her ashes would be returned to her. DID YOU offer any solutions????? YES...I HAD told her I would call animal control...the dog was being neglected...not because the woman WANTED to neglect her......but none the less the dog was SUFFERING. HELLO!!! All of the armchair quarterbacks on YT need to stick to their own games. Bottom line: Roriee is fine now and no longer suffering..and you have a problem with that? WhatEVER.

Now lets just let this die. I am NOT going to stop giving my advice to people..and I know you will not. Big DEAL: Life goes on. There is room on YT for ALL opinions and ALL people. sheesh...you need to let it go .. I will stop posting now..I am busy and it will be an opportunity for you to have the last word yet again. :)

you are right mary this owner did everything she could to save her dog - what is wrong with this picture?

Oh and you were one that called me names right ?

saying I had this munchausen syndrome and why i help people with sick dogs yeah that was really nice to say to someone who has sick dogs and tries to help others