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Rhetts_mama 06-08-2010 03:39 PM

How accurate are CKC registrations?
 
I've got a co-worker who purchased a yorkie from a BRB here in GA. The puppy is ckc registered. Registration is important to her because she wanted to breed her (I know, I know- I'm working on trying to convince her other wise!) However, my friend is now convinced that the pup isn't a purebred due to the size and face shape. She's waiting on DNA results and has already said she is going to sue the breeder if she finds out the pup isn't a purebred :(

I know nothing about CKC standards or how they admit dogs. So I'm wondering, is this something that can be "fudged"?

babiehammer 06-08-2010 03:42 PM

from what I have heard, the CKC will register just about anything.

Nasdaq_Diva 06-08-2010 04:40 PM

I've heard the same..they are pretty lax on registration.

Lizzie07 06-08-2010 05:11 PM

IMO, it is a worthless, totally worthless registration. According to the CKC website, all you have to do is fill out a registration application and sending in a registration from an approved list, which included ACA and APRI, two other worthless registries, or, an this is a quote from the CKC website: 2.Dogs over 6 months of age which have no previous Registration history may be registered by providing 2 witness signatures attesting to the purebred status of the dog along with 3 photos (front,left and right) of the dog to confirm it is ‘of proper breed type’ as defined by our current CKC Registration Rules and Regulations.Canine Registration Applications are available in PDF format from our web site. So basically, the dog doesn't have to be pure bred, just look pure bred.

IMO, your friend got took.

lostnomad 06-08-2010 07:47 PM

I know a lady who, for lack of any better term, is a BRB. Her female is AKC but her male is unpapered. To get around AKC regulations, she is going the CKC route. She believes she will get the same amount of money for CKC as she would for AKC. If people only understood the different standards between the two.

Breeze 06-08-2010 08:00 PM

Sue the breeder for what? Not doing her own research. Studying your lines should be one of the very many first things of breeding. Buyer beware. Your friend really needs to look at the proper ways of being a reputable breeder and finding the right breeding stock....... She started out wrong and needs to take this as a lesson to be learned. Please tell her about YT. :)

Rhetts_mama 06-09-2010 06:00 AM

Breeze- I don't know what her "grounds" would be, other than bait and switch. I agree that if she was even thinking of doing breeding at some point that she should have done more research (note: I am totally against her breeding because I believe she's doing it for all the wrong rea$on$). It's a shame, because this little girl is just a doll, very sweet and loving. It's too bad she can't just love her for what she is rather than resenting her for what she may not be.

I did tell her about this site, but she's one of those types of people who "knows" better than everyone else (ok- now that I've said that, watch her join the site and see that I put that up here **blush**)

Tnyorkiemom 06-09-2010 06:07 AM

CKC has gotten a bad rep....it is the breeders who untruthfully use them that are wrong............and for everyone's information now...to register a dog CKC...you now have to have 2 pics of each the dam, sire and dog in question in order to ckc them............except for newborn pups....but even then if neither parent is already CKC you have to show pics..........they dont require DNA.......unless they question a dam or sire........but they do try their best otherwise to have a registration as truthful as they can.............it is bad people who have given CKC a bad rep.......not CKC.............ok i will get off my soap box now.

Tnyorkiemom 06-09-2010 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lizzie07 (Post 3156739)
IMO, it is a worthless, totally worthless registration. According to the CKC website, all you have to do is fill out a registration application and sending in a registration from an approved list, which included ACA and APRI, two other worthless registries, or, an this is a quote from the CKC website: 2.Dogs over 6 months of age which have no previous Registration history may be registered by providing 2 witness signatures attesting to the purebred status of the dog along with 3 photos (front,left and right) of the dog to confirm it is ‘of proper breed type’ as defined by our current CKC Registration Rules and Regulations.Canine Registration Applications are available in PDF format from our web site. So basically, the dog doesn't have to be pure bred, just look pure bred.

IMO, your friend got took.

i think it would be very hard to ""look"" purbred without being..........look at some of the "AKC" yorkies out there now..........they dont look purebred either...but oh my they are cause AKC says so..............it all boils down to honesty..........CKC is no worse or better than any other registry.

livingdustmops 06-09-2010 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 3157162)
CKC has gotten a bad rep....it is the breeders who untruthfully use them that are wrong............and for everyone's information now...to register a dog CKC...you now have to have 2 pics of each the dam, sire and dog in question in order to ckc them............except for newborn pups....but even then if neither parent is already CKC you have to show pics..........they dont require DNA.......unless they question a dam or sire........but they do try their best otherwise to have a registration as truthful as they can.............it is bad people who have given CKC a bad rep.......not CKC.............ok i will get off my soap box now.

What proof is there that the pictures belong to the dogs being registered? AKC requires DNA if 4 litters a year. As far as I am concerned all puppies should be DNA'd.

I agree that is boils down to honesty but at least AKC will cancel the registrations if they are proven bogus. Will CKC go after the liars and the cheats? Will they cancel out the registrations?

BamaFan121s 06-09-2010 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breeze (Post 3156936)
Sue the breeder for what? Not doing her own research. Studying your lines should be one of the very many first things of breeding. Buyer beware. Your friend really needs to look at the proper ways of being a reputable breeder and finding the right breeding stock....... She started out wrong and needs to take this as a lesson to be learned.

I have to agree with Breeze. Although it doesn't excuse the breeder's actions if it turns out she is knowingly being dishonest, your friend should have done her research and taken these precautions in advance. Especially if she has been planning on breeding from the start. She needs to accept some of the blame herself and look at it as a valuable lesson learned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 3157162)
CKC has gotten a bad rep....it is the breeders who untruthfully use them that are wrong

I have to agree with this as well, sort of to an extent anyway. I do feel like CKC is too lax with their registration, to the extreme. As a result of dishonest breeders. However, that doesn't mean that EVERY CKC breeder is dishonest and contrarily, it doesn't mean that every AKC breeder IS honest. You can have dishonest breeders with any registry. It's important not to base your decision of registry alone but rather that you know what you are looking for when selelcting a dog/breeder.

Shellygirlky 06-09-2010 06:51 AM

My Daisy is CKC. She is 6.5 pounds and all yorkie. I got to meet both her parents. I didn't plan to breed, she has been spayed and is a totally terrific companion. I would rather have a healthy CKC puppy than a sickly AKC puppy mill puppy. No offence to the puppies just the puppy mills.

Tnyorkiemom 06-09-2010 07:06 AM

i agree with all that has been said to a point....yes it is great to have them DNA'd....and i do wish CKC would do that ............but also..........CKC will register a biewer here in the states.............AKC will not...........and splitter puppies have only CKC and one or 2 biewer registries..........what im saying is ...just cause there are a few things that need changed in how CKC does things.........doesnt give people the right to say they are bad........just My personal opinion.

Tnyorkiemom 06-09-2010 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellygirlky (Post 3157208)
My Daisy is CKC. She is 6.5 pounds and all yorkie. I got to meet both her parents. I didn't plan to breed, she has been spayed and is a totally terrific companion. I would rather have a healthy CKC puppy than a sickly AKC puppy mill puppy. No offence to the puppies just the puppy mills.

i agree....when it is all said and done...most and foremost is the health and well being of the dogs.........registrations, pedigrees, lines, and looks all take a backseat to health and happiness.

livingdustmops 06-09-2010 07:11 AM

There are 4 registries for Biewers in the US and 50 in Germany. I would never register a Biewer with the CKC. IMHO.


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