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mimimomo 04-19-2010 10:36 AM
I was hesitant of posting the adopted girl's story bc I didn't want this story to be one of those that gets heated & take a life of it's own. I want this thread to remain neutral, yet be informative & educational.

The important thing here, is to learn & know what the red flags are & when to walk away.

Signs of unethical breeders. Please feel free to add onto the list. These are just random ones that I can think of at the moment right out of my head, so they're not in any particular order.

1. Breeder will not show mother or father or the environment they live in.
2. Poor communication, no return calls, not detail oriented.
3. Check the adult's teeth, overall condition. If the breeder cares for her dog's health, esp those of breeding stock, they will be well taken care of.
4. Never purchase a puppy over the internet w/out #1. Go see the mom & dad, siblings & their living environment. Plus, a responsible reputable breeder will want to meet the new family. Sometimes the dad will not be around if they used a stud. Ask to see pictures & other info.

ckuz13 04-19-2010 10:45 AM
Sometimes things are not always so obvious anymore. Champion lines and contracts are again one of those things that do not always guarantee you a healthy pet. I am greatful that you post this..It shows you care not only for the people who are looking for a healthy pet but also for the well being of the pets in question..Thanks again!!

mimimomo 04-19-2010 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3092066)
:( That is terrible for her to have been treated that way and have all those issues! I hope she recovers well and has a happy life from here on.

:confused: Is it wrong for you to tell who the breeder was that she came from? I would think people need to know so they will not buy a puppy from this unethical breeder.
I've thought long & hard about this & have chatted w/Jodi on which direction I should go. I have decided to tell you all who the breeder is (w/out my friend's permission). Her name is Rose Edwards & is based out in Michigan.
On her site, she shows & states that she strives to breed to the standard. It's not all it seems & most do not see the poor living situations, in cages unsocialized, breeding until they're not 'needed' anymore.

I didn't tell the whole story, but my friend actually adopted two girls from Rose. I was shocked at the condition they were in. They're young, Fanny (one w/the bad knees) being 5 & Shilo only 2 almost 3 (not sure of her age). They both had peridontal disease & Shilo had two teeth extractions from decay. They were placed w/out being spayed, anybody could have adopted them.

megansmomma 04-19-2010 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 3092433)
I've thought long & hard about this & have chatted w/Jodi on which direction I should go. I have decided to tell you all who the breeder is (w/out my friend's permission). Her name is Rose Edwards & is based out in Michigan.
On her site, she shows & states that she strives to breed to the standard. It's not all it seems & most do not see the poor living situations, in cages unsocialized, breeding until they're not 'needed' anymore.

I didn't tell the whole story, but my friend actually adopted two girls from Rose. I was shocked at the condition they were in. They're young, Fanny (one w/the bad knees) being 5 & Shilo only 2 almost 3 (not sure of her age). They both had peridontal disease & Shilo had two teeth extractions from decay. They were placed w/out being spayed, anybody could have adopted them.
Is she in Michigan or Missouri? Did you make a mistake on the abbreviation for Michigan? I looked at the website and it does say Michigan on her site.

Do you know how they found there way to CA and where it was posted?

mimimomo 04-19-2010 04:35 PM
It's Michigan, sorry my mistake. My friend's husband found them on the internet & she was coming to California to visit her mother & she dropped them off at their new home.

Lorraine 04-19-2010 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 3091898)
About her pedigree having multiple Champions, I think it's a very important eye opener. Just bc the pups come from CH lines, doesn't mean they're quality pups & most importantly doesn't make the breeder a reputable one. I wouldn't be surprised if the papers were altered.
Even our vet said, 'I wouldn't be surprised if all her breeding stock has some sort of problem.'
She didn't come w/shot records, so we called her repeatedly & left her messages. She never called back.:rolleyes:
You are right about claims about pedigrees with multiple champions.
Either of wo things could have happened. A show kennel may be selling their dogs anywhere or depending how far back in the pedigree the champions appear, show breeders could have been fooled by someone they dealt with who in turn sold everywhere. This is why so many show breeders are very careful with their lines and try to make sure they do not deal with a kennel such as this one this poor girl came from or try to be sure they don't deal with someone who would deal with this type of kenne.
i am not sure if this girl actually came from a show breeder? I sure hope not.

megansmomma 04-19-2010 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 3092476)
It's Michigan, sorry my mistake. My friend's husband found them on the internet & she was coming to California to visit her mother & she dropped them off at their new home.
I wonder if the woman in all of the pictures is the woman that dropped of these 2 for your friend? I would ask her to take a look at the pictures and see if she recognizes her as the same person. :cool:

Lorraine 04-19-2010 04:49 PM
Whoops I hadn't read all the posts before my previous post. Very sad situation.

BaxtersMommy 04-19-2010 04:55 PM
Boy have we learned about Unethical breeders lately. UGH!

MaddiesMommie 04-19-2010 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy (Post 3092516)
Boy have we learned about Unethical breeders lately. UGH!
We sure have...it is depressing to see so many.

I say get thier names out there! ya know?

Drag those sorry excuses for breeders outta their hiding spots behind thier cute website pics and glittery pages and show the ugly truth that they want to hide so badly.

Cerise 04-20-2010 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 3092433)
I've thought long & hard about this & have chatted w/Jodi on which direction I should go. I have decided to tell you all who the breeder is (w/out my friend's permission). Her name is Rose Edwards & is based out in Michigan.
On her site, she shows & states that she strives to breed to the standard. It's not all it seems & most do not see the poor living situations, in cages unsocialized, breeding until they're not 'needed' anymore.

I didn't tell the whole story, but my friend actually adopted two girls from Rose. I was shocked at the condition they were in. They're young, Fanny (one w/the bad knees) being 5 & Shilo only 2 almost 3 (not sure of her age). They both had peridontal disease & Shilo had two teeth extractions from decay. They were placed w/out being spayed, anybody could have adopted them.

:bravo: Thanks for posting that information!

This is truly sad.

cj125 04-20-2010 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 3092433)
I've thought long & hard about this & have chatted w/Jodi on which direction I should go. I have decided to tell you all who the breeder is (w/out my friend's permission). Her name is Rose Edwards & is based out in Michigan.
On her site, she shows & states that she strives to breed to the standard. It's not all it seems & most do not see the poor living situations, in cages unsocialized, breeding until they're not 'needed' anymore.

I didn't tell the whole story, but my friend actually adopted two girls from Rose. I was shocked at the condition they were in. They're young, Fanny (one w/the bad knees) being 5 & Shilo only 2 almost 3 (not sure of her age). They both had peridontal disease & Shilo had two teeth extractions from decay. They were placed w/out being spayed, anybody could have adopted them.
Jenny - now that her name is out there - would you mind stating the names of the sire & dam?

And what is her kennel name?

Also, did your friend contact the breeder to tell her about the LP and dental problems? I'm just curious as to what the breeder's response was.

I don't condone this kind of breeding - I just wanted to make sure that other breeders weren't included in this disclosure if it wasn't directly related to their breeding.

And yes, just because someone has a CH it does not guarantee that they have the best dogs. The best dog doesn't always win at the shows, either.

As many have said here - check out the breeder first.

This is sad and I hope that we find out who's line the LP is coming from.

jencar98 04-20-2010 05:42 AM
Rose Edwards? Is this her?

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magicgenie 04-20-2010 05:47 AM
tread softly
 
Something about this thread doesn't add up---This is a breeder-exhibitor who is unlikely to have deceived her way into getting the class of dogs she has. We wouldn't want to look like harpies, would we?

livingdustmops 04-20-2010 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3093121)
WOW, I know who this is...I sometimes wonder if a lot of good breeders have just gone down hill due to the economy...to many dogs and no one buying...or if they have always been bad breeders but no one would out them....this is just sad.


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