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Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543191)
I also agree that the fact that the pup doesn't have shots is rather concerning. Unless maybe the pup just went up for sale at 8 weeks, and the breeder wants to avoid paying for the shots if possible. If that is the ONLY downside to the breeder/the pup (i.e. there is a health guarantee, parents are in good health, the place is clean, the breeder is experienced, and so on) I wouldn't necessarily turn it away. If there are other issues, though, I'd buy a Morkie from someone else.
Letting the pups go before 12 weeks is a huge deal.

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4543190)
For up to one year. What genetic condition shows up in under a year. The only one that I know of is liver shunt. Have your dog tested for LP now. I would be proactive on this. As you said, maltese and yorkies share a lot of the same conditions. If you can get your vet/breeder to admit or find LP in this dog, then he should be covered. LP surgery is at least $1000 per knee.

Of course, I don't see why the vet would diagnose the dog as anything other than 100% healthy, seeing as if she did say she found something, she'd have to treat it for free.
Exactly.

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543199)
A Maltese mix. The person who posted wants a Yorkie/Maltese mix. No matter how you look at it, it would be extremely rare to find a Morkie at a shelter. And on top of it all, you have to hope that it's a puppy and not an adult.


It must vary by vet, then, because the vet I use will not vaccinate puppies until 8 weeks of age. I wouldn't consider it a terrible thing to take a dog home at 8 weeks old, either. I'd wait until at least 10 weeks, personally, for social development, but I wouldn't hold it against someone if they let a puppy go home at 8 weeks.
I'm not sure you really know what a reputable breeders is because a reputable breeder of small dogs will not let a pup go home before 12 weeks and if they do that's skipping a step which means they are skipping other very important steps.

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 06:33 PM
Considering you can't guarantee what a mixed breed will look like or act like so how can you know that's the breed you want?

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 06:34 PM
I encourage anyone who is supporting bad/poor breeding to hang out in a shelter and a rescue. Make sure it's a kill shelter you are hanging out at as well.

capt_noonie 03-26-2015 06:42 PM
If you get extremely nasty, you will be suspended or banned. Just a heads up.

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543263)
I never said that a breeder that lets a pup go at 8 weeks is reputable. I never said that a breeder that lets a pup go before 12 weeks in general is reputable. I just said that I would not hold it against a breeder if for whatever reason they decided to let the pup go at an earlier age. The breeder could still be a kind, respectable person, who cares about their pups. Both the parents and the pups could very well be in good health.



My dog is a Morkie. A Yorkie/Maltese mix. I know the personality of both parents, and they are extremely sweet. My pup's littermates were also extremely sweet. Louie looked TOTALLY DIFFERENT at 12 weeks old. He was black and dark brown, with a straight tail. Now he is turning a light shade of gold on his body, with a cream face and belly, and he has a curly tail. I DO NOT CARE! It doesn't matter to me, so why the H*** does it matter to you?

You obviously don't know how to let something go when someone backs off. Please don't make me get nasty, because believe me, I will get extremely nasty if I feel the need to. Let it die.
It matters to me because I care about the millions of dogs being put to sleep every year. I care about all the poor dogs suffering from bad breeding. That is why is matters to me. You responded to me so remember that.......

capt_noonie 03-26-2015 06:48 PM
Agreed. This is a problem that is bigger than just me or you. It's all of the millions of dogs euthanized every year. It is directly related to people breeding dogs when there are plenty of good ones in the shelters.

But the argument stands at what people want. I want this, I want that, I want a puppy, I want what I want. I will justify it by any means. Or, you can't tell me what I can or cannot buy. I can spend my money however I wish.

It's all true. But look at what that is saying. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

I try to help with the pet overpopulation problem. I volunteer with rescue. I try to educate people. I probably won't ever purchase another dog in my life, but rescue them? Oh yes.

Brianna 03-26-2015 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4543273)
Agreed. This is a problem that is bigger than just me or you. It's all of the millions of dogs euthanized every year. It is directly related to people breeding dogs when there are plenty of good ones in the shelters.

But the argument stands at what people want. I want this, I want that, I want a puppy, I want what I want. I will justify it by any means. Or, you can't tell me what I can or cannot buy. I can spend my money however I wish.

It's all true. But look at what that is saying. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

I try to help with the pet overpopulation problem. I volunteer with rescue. I try to educate people. I probably won't ever purchase another dog in my life, but rescue them? Oh yes.
You want a purebred Yorkie, therefore you will go to a breeder for one. Most people on this forum do. And yet you're telling me that that is different than going to a breeder looking for a specific mixed breed of dog, because you like that mixed breed? Wow.

capt_noonie 03-26-2015 06:53 PM
Nope my last yorkie was a foster who I ended up adopting.

Brianna 03-26-2015 06:56 PM
That's fine. Now are you going to reprimand all of the other Yorkie owners on this forum who bought their dog(s) from a breeder?

capt_noonie 03-26-2015 06:59 PM
Nope, bc of those that did, they either know better now and try to spread the word, or they purchased from reputable breeders. The remainder still try to justify their actions.

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543274)
You responded to me 5+ times, in succession. You have a problem.

Quite frankly, I don't give a flying crap if I get suspended or whatever for defending myself. Threaten me all you want. I will defend myself. She is attacking me. She is putting words in my mouth. I stopped replying, and she is blatantly attacking me now. She is bombarding this thread with posts, all towards me, trying to tear me down. I will not go down without a fight when someone is being so **** rude.

I care about dogs, too, but I am not a terrible person for buying a mixed breed, or expressing my **** opinion!
I'm sorry you feel that way. I quoted you when I was talking directly at you. I have been out and about today so I was not on here for several hours today so I responded when I got home and saw them. I'm only expressing my opinion too.

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543275)
You want a purebred Yorkie, therefore you will go to a breeder for one. Most people on this forum do. And yet you're telling me that that is different than going to a breeder looking for a specific mixed breed of dog, because you like that mixed breed? Wow.
No not at all my opinion is that reputable breeders don't breed mixes. I support reputable breeders and shelters/rescues.

Brianna 03-26-2015 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4543281)
Nope, bc of those that did, they either know better now and try to spread the word, or they purchased from reputable breeders. The remainder still try to justify their actions.
Here we go again with the reputable breeder bullcrap.

Say I'm looking for a Morkie puppy, and I can't find one at a shelter. I check out some local breeders. None of the breeders look very good. They all sound shady. I expand my search and decide to look for a breeder further out. I find one that is experienced, and just so happens to be a veterinarian. I ask questions and like what I hear. I drive 6 hours to go get the dog from a breeder that I feel I can trust. It turns out that she is experienced and that she is trustworthy, and clearly treats her dogs like gold. The parents are healthy and wonderful, and so are the pups.

But I'm such a terrible, stupid human being, aren't I? After all, the pup I ended up purchasing is a mixed breed. Oh, the horror! If only it was a purebred, then maybe it could be justified!

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543287)
Here we go again with the reputable breeder bullcrap.

Say I'm looking for a Morkie puppy, and I can't find one at a shelter. I check out some local breeders. None of the breeders look very good. They all sound shady. I expand my search and decide to look for a breeder further out. I find one that is experienced, and just so happens to be a veterinarian. I ask questions and like what I hear. I drive 6 hours to go get the dog from a breeder that I feel I can trust. It turns out that she is experienced and that she is trustworthy, and clearly treats her dogs like gold. The parents are healthy and wonderful, and so are the pups.

But I'm such a terrible, stupid human being, aren't I? After all, the pup I ended up purchasing is a mixed breed. Oh, the horror! If only it was a purebred, then maybe it could be justified!
Those things don't make her reputable though there is more that goes into it.

ironmike86 03-26-2015 07:09 PM
Put it this way buying a mixed breed isn't bad. Paying outrageous amounts is. Most ppl who breeded mixed "exotics" are in the for the money. Reason?? Why else breed?? No reason to. Just have puppies?? I was on a 2 1/2 yr waiting list for a breeder to breed her next Show dog. I bought the one who didn't make the cut. What I get is all the breeding linage, heath checks ect. Nothing wrong with mixed breed dogs. I had some. My problem is ppl who purposely breed them. Its for money. Period. A mixed breed dog shouldn't cost more then a Champion show dog pup. But like i said before . Go to any purebred forum.. most will have the same opinions. But to the op. IMO $350 for a Morki no shots. Only u know its worth it. If you want it get it. But $1k or any outrageous amount. Hell no

Brianna 03-26-2015 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4543289)
Those things don't make her reputable though there is more that goes into it.
She is experienced.

She is trustworthy.

She has healthy dogs.

She is a veterinarian.

She offers a health guarantee.

She even said she wanted to know how the pup was doing.

That is the dictionary definition of reputable, right there. Whether you like it or not. Pick up a dictionary, read the definition, and get over yourself.

Oh, by the way, I went through AT LEAST a dozen breeders before I chose the woman I got Louie from. I called them all, talked to them for a good while, and did some digging. I'm not a freaking idiot, and I wouldn't want to support a crappy breeder, either.

capt_noonie 03-26-2015 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543287)
Here we go again with the reputable breeder bullcrap.

Say I'm looking for a Morkie puppy, and I can't find one at a shelter. I check out some local breeders. None of the breeders look very good. They all sound shady. I expand my search and decide to look for a breeder further out. I find one that is experienced, and just so happens to be a veterinarian. I ask questions and like what I hear. I drive 6 hours to go get the dog from a breeder that I feel I can trust. It turns out that she is experienced and that she is trustworthy, and clearly treats her dogs like gold. The parents are healthy and wonderful, and so are the pups.

But I'm such a terrible, stupid human being, aren't I? After all, the pup I ended up purchasing is a mixed breed. Oh, the horror! If only it was a purebred, then maybe it could be justified!
Now I am afraid that since the breeder/vet is 6 hours away, you won't be able to go back for any genetic issue or condition that may arise. I really suggest you get pet insurance for your dog now. And choose an insurance company that covers genetic issues. Don't get that Petsmart/Banfield puppy package. I would go to your local vet and have him check for LP (most common, in fact extremely common). The vet can do it with a palpitation. Check for that and if he has it, tell your vet/breeder. See what she says. Cover your bases NOW. Your puppy is only 6 months old. Not even full grown yet. You cannot say for certain he is healthy.

Brianna 03-26-2015 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4543291)
Put it this way buying a mixed breed isn't bad. Paying outrageous amounts is. Most ppl who breeded mixed "exotics" are in the for the money. Reason?? Why else breed?? No reason to. Just have puppies?? I was on a 2 1/2 yr waiting list for a breeder to breed her next Show dog. I bought the one who didn't make the cut. What I get is all the breeding linage, heath checks ect. Nothing wrong with mixed breed dogs. I had some. My problem is ppl who purposely breed them. Its for money. Period. A mixed breed dog shouldn't cost more then a Champion show dog pup. But like i said before . Go to any purebred forum.. most will have the same opinions. But to the op. IMO $350 for a Morki no shots. Only u know its worth it. If you want it get it. But $1k or any outrageous amount. Hell no
Paying over $1000 for a Morkie would be crazy, I do have to agree. Personally, I don't see a legitimate reason to hike it over $800, unless they did extensive health testing for whatever reason, and the parents were champions, or whatever. They are pretty hard to find, so I would say I'd pay up to $800 for one from a good breeder.

Yes, people breed for money. However, that doesn't mean they don't care about their dogs and where their pups go. In many cases, yea, I'm sure the breeders don't care. They're jerks. But the ones who do care are just fine.

Brianna 03-26-2015 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4543293)
Now I am afraid that since the breeder/vet is 6 hours away, you won't be able to go back for any genetic issue or condition that may arise. I really suggest you get pet insurance for your dog now. And choose an insurance company that covers genetic issues. Don't get that Petsmart/Banfield puppy package. I would go to your local vet and have him check for LP (most common, in fact extremely common). The vet can do it with a palpitation. Check for that and if he has it, tell your vet/breeder. See what she says. Cover your bases NOW. Your puppy is only 6 months old. Not even full grown yet. You cannot say for certain he is healthy.
I'm considering the pet insurance. Also, I'm not really worried that she's 6 hours away. If a problem were to arise, I'd make the trip, or figure something out.

capt_noonie 03-26-2015 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543294)
Paying over $1000 for a Morkie would be crazy, I do have to agree. Personally, I don't see a legitimate reason to hike it over $800, unless they did extensive health testing for whatever reason, and the parents were champions, or whatever. They are pretty hard to find, so I would say I'd pay up to $800 for one from a good breeder.

Yes, people breed for money. However, that doesn't mean they don't care about their dogs and where their pups go. In many cases, yea, I'm sure the breeders don't care. They're jerks. But the ones who do care are just fine.
I would be very surprised to hear that a mixed breed dog was champion sired.

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543292)
She is experienced.

She is trustworthy.

She has healthy dogs.

She is a veterinarian.

She offers a health guarantee.

She even said she wanted to know how the pup was doing.

That is the dictionary definition of reputable, right there. Whether you like it or not. Pick up a dictionary, read the definition, and get over yourself.

Oh, by the way, I went through AT LEAST a dozen breeders before I chose the woman I got Louie from. I called them all, talked to them for a good while, and did some digging. I'm not a freaking idiot, and I wouldn't want to support a crappy breeder, either.
It's different with breeders. What genetic testing did she do? How far back did she know the lines of the breeding dogs? How much did the female weigh? What age were the pups when they went to there new homes? Was the there a spay and neuter contract?

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 07:29 PM
I want to be clear here no one is calling you an idiot. A lot of us here got our dogs from bad breeders before we knew better. Mine came from a puppy mill and I have had to watch her suffer from several genetic issues due to poor breeding. I looked into her little eyes after her first surgery and I promised her that I would do anything I could to stop bad breeding and to stop more pups from having to suffer. Besides the fact that it is a said rule that reputable breeders don't breed mixes with mixes there is no breed club there is no one setting the standard no one setting the rules and that can be very bad.

Brianna 03-26-2015 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4543298)
It's different with breeders. What genetic testing did she do? How far back did she know the lines of the breeding dogs? How much did the female weigh? What age were the pups when they went to there new homes? Was the there a spay and neuter contract?
I don't know, and I don't know. The mom was 6 pounds. She started letting them go home at 11 weeks. There was no neuter contract.

You can say all you want, but I know she's a good person, and a good breeder. Whether she's up to your standards makes no difference to me.

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543302)
I don't know, and I don't know. The mom was 6 pounds. She started letting them go home at 11 weeks. There was no neuter contract.

You can say all you want, but I know she's a good person, and a good breeder. Whether she's up to your standards makes no difference to me.
Then you can't say for sure she's a reputable breeder. I hope you stick around there is a lot to learn here.

Brianna 03-26-2015 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4543304)
Then you can't say for sure she's a reputable breeder. I hope you stick around there is a lot to learn here.
Not everything is black and white, yet that seems to be the way you think. And if that's the case, then there's no arguing with you, because you'll never get it.

ironmike86 03-26-2015 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4543297)
I would be very surprised to hear that a mixed breed dog was champion sired.
Never unless there was a rare accident. Champion sire.....ppl pay for them goods. And with the mind set i doubt the breeder would sell. They don't sell to anyone. There name is at stake. They care about there reputation. There kennel name is there life. IME

megansmomma 03-26-2015 07:50 PM
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Because you told her to go the shelter if she did not care about what breed she got and that it would cost less, while I know a morkie is not a purebred breed to many people it is a type of mixed breed and that's what they want. It's also next to impossible to find a healthy morkie puppy in a shelter and even in a rescue organization and if there is there is a fee and the younger they are the more costly.
You obviously are not looking in the proper shelters/rescues. Bogey and Doodlebug were both from shelter/rescues. Bogey on the left the day he came home (Yorkie) was just about a year old and cost me a whopping $35 adoption fee. Doodlebug (Morkie) was from a rescue and was $200 and 12 weeks old. It's a CHOICE to choose a breeder for a mixed breed puppy and something that I would never do. They are both very healthy and they were not next to impossible to find.

As for a vet breeding mutts....I'd be finding a new vet. :thumbdown

Lovetodream88 03-26-2015 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 4543309)
Not everything is black and white, yet that seems to be the way you think. And if that's the case, then there's no arguing with you, because you'll never get it.
Maybe not but there are several things reputable breeders do that others don't. The biggest is know how far back the lines go because the lines tell you so much about things like what size the pups should be, if genetic issues run in the lines, the amount of pups normally thrown and so on. And it's not just knowing grandpa dog it's farther back then that. There are not many genetic health test but there are a few a reputable breeder will do. Puppies are learning up until 12 weeks and pups who go home before that have a risk of having many issues. I don't want to argue I am just trying to educate you because I care not because I'm some stuck up pure bred pushing person.


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