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diane boden 02-23-2010 12:16 PM
Ooops, think I upset somebody.
 
Not on here thankfully, but on another forum.
There was yet another post from somebody who'd bred their dog [miniature yorkie] and now they wanted advice. I pointed out there was no such thing as a mini-yorkie or any other size specification for that matter, but of course they are right and every edjucated yorkie owner is wrong.
I know it shouldn't get me annoyed but why do people breed before finding out the information they need. Many people work so hard at protecting this wonderful breed and it annoys me when people continue to put the cart before the horse. I dont believe in telling others weather they can or cant breed but at least they should do their reserch first. I know accidents do happen but for me theres no excuse for not doing research, many think just because their pet carries certain lines it justifies breeding from them, but even good lines carry problems.
Sorry just needed to get this off my chest.

yorkieusa 02-23-2010 12:44 PM
Why do they do it? For $$$$$$$$$$$:(

Wylie's Mom 02-23-2010 12:53 PM
Here's something to chew on....I was at a dog event (all breed) with both my boys on Sunday.

We saw (amongst the hundreds? of dogs) maybe 20-30+ Yorkies at this event (and those were only the ones we personally saw).

Guess how many were to standard? ONE.

I didn't expect anything different, to be honest, bc I know what's been done to this breed. The indiscriminate breeding is very sad.

This is why choosing a reputable breeder is so important. I feel like people here at YT try to express this until they're blue in the face sometimes though, and some just don't want to believe it. Frustrating.

Nancy1999 02-23-2010 01:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by diane boden (Post 3014875)
Not on here thankfully, but on another forum.
There was yet another post from somebody who'd bred their dog [miniature yorkie] and now they wanted advice. I pointed out there was no such thing as a mini-yorkie or any other size specification for that matter, but of course they are right and every edjucated yorkie owner is wrong.
I know it shouldn't get me annoyed but why do people breed before finding out the information they need. Many people work so hard at protecting this wonderful breed and it annoys me when people continue to put the cart before the horse. I dont believe in telling others weather they can or cant breed but at least they should do their reserch first. I know accidents do happen but for me theres no excuse for not doing research, many think just because their pet carries certain lines it justifies breeding from them, but even good lines carry problems.
Sorry just needed to get this off my chest.
Thank you for this post, sometimes I feel very alone on this matter. I really hate seeing what's been done to most purebreds. It not only bothers me when someone doesn't know anything about breeding, it bothers me even more, when they think they know it all. Seems like people can read a few websites and become experts. Many of the breeders I do respect, say how they are constantly learning. I often encourage buyers to support only the best of breeders; those who breed to standard. I think buyers need to be aware that they are giving breeders a gold star every time they purchase a dog from them, you are saying you approve of this breeder, and what they are doing to the Yorkshire Terrier breed. Our rescues and shelters are filled with pets, if you just want a pet, I hope you go to a rescue or shelter, but if you really want to see that the yorkie is around 100 years from now, find a really good breeder and support him/her.

Nancy1999 02-23-2010 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3014985)
Here's something to chew on....I was at a dog event (all breed) with both my boys on Sunday.

We saw (amongst the hundreds? of dogs) maybe 20-30+ Yorkies at this event (and those were only the ones we personally saw).

Guess how many were to standard? ONE.
I didn't expect anything different, to be honest, bc I know what's been done to this breed. The indiscriminate breeding is very sad.

This is why choosing a reputable breeder is so important. I feel like people here at YT try to express this until they're blue in the face sometimes though, and some just don't want to believe it. Frustrating.
I've noticed this too; I wonder if AZ is worse than the rest of the country? Not that the dogs aren't cute and loveable, but sometimes when were out shopping at Petsmart people will tell me that they have a yorkie too, and I think, "really"? So far, I've never said, "You need to bring it next time you come." :D

Wylie's Mom 02-23-2010 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3015045)
I've noticed this too; I wonder if AZ is worse than the rest of the country? Not that the dogs aren't cute and loveable, but sometimes when were out shopping at Petsmart people will tell me that they have a yorkie too, and I think, "really"? So far, I've never said, "You need to bring it next time you come." :D
LOL :D:D:D!!! Exactly!

I can't tell you how many people came up to us and said about Marcel "Awwwww, this is what we thought we were buying" (:eek:) -and-

"Oh, is he a TEACUP yorkie?"

{errrrr....no, he's just standard size, but was the smallest one in his litter :)}

Nancy1999 02-23-2010 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3015069)
LOL :D:D:D!!! Exactly!

I can't tell you how many people came up to us and said about Marcel "Awwwww, this is what we thought we were buying" (:eek:) -and-

"Oh, is he a TEACUP yorkie?"

{errrrr....no, he's just standard size, but was the smallest one in his litter :)}
I can see why they think Marcell is a teacup, he is a tiny little thing, but Joey's 5 1/2 pounds and they ask me if he's a teacup. I've heard that lots of people are selling Silkies as Yorkies here, don't know if it's true, but it would explain some things.

carmen in nj 02-23-2010 02:01 PM
I am a silkie breeder and we are facing a horrible problem too, we got breeders crossing the yorkie silky lines and is becoming a nightmare, I bought my girl from a VERY reputable silky breeder my boy came from another very reliable line, and after I heard a rumor I had to have BOTH DNA to make sure that my duo was 100% what they are supose to be and not a diluted one. :eek::eek:. Keeping the breeds pure and to standard is getting really hard to do with all the irresponsible breeding that is going on.. :confused::confused:.
just my little humble opinion ...
hugs,
Carmen in nj

Nancy1999 02-23-2010 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 3015092)
I am a silkie breeder and we are facing a horrible problem too, we got breeders crossing the yorkie silky lines and is becoming a nightmare, I bought my girl from a VERY reputable silky breeder my boy came from another very reliable line, and after I heard a rumor I had to have BOTH DNA to make sure that my duo was 100% what they are supose to be and not a diluted one. :eek::eek:. Keeping the breeds pure and to standard is getting really hard to do with all the irresponsible breeding that is going on.. :confused::confused:.
just my little humble opinion ...
hugs,
Carmen in nj
Were the Silkies admitted to the AKC before the Yorkie, or visa versa? Is their DNA significantly different? Like what percentage is different, do you know?

carmen in nj 02-23-2010 03:00 PM
yes I know, LOL, The yorkshire Terrier was AKC recognized in 1885.

The Silky Terrier was AKC recognized in 1959.
the silky terrier is closely related to the Australian Terrier , more so than the yorkshire terrier.
to this day the silky has more Australian Terrier DNA, than any other breed that was used to develop the breed, so is consider a cousin of the Australian Terrier.
The yorkshire terrier should NOT have any traces of Australian Terrier on his DNA.. this is what I am told by my club and the DNA lab.
hugs,
CArmen in nj

Nancy1999 02-23-2010 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 3015171)
yes I know, LOL, The yorkshire Terrier was AKC recognized in 1885.

The Silky Terrier was AKC recognized in 1959.
the silky terrier is closely related to the Australian Terrier , more so than the yorkshire terrier.
to this day the silky has more Australian Terrier DNA, than any other breed that was used to develop the breed, so is consider a cousin of the Australian Terrier.
The yorkshire terrier should NOT have any traces of Australian Terrier on his DNA.. this is what I am told by my club and the DNA lab.
hugs,
CArmen in nj

Very interesting, I know DNA is still in it's infancy, but someday we should get some remarkable knowledge from it, like just exactly which gene causes this or that, I mean we know a few genes, but to know all of them and how exactly they work together would be so wonderful.

4doggiemama 02-23-2010 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 3015171)
to this day the silky has more Australian Terrier DNA, than any other breed that was used to develop the breed, so is consider a cousin of the Australian Terrier.
The yorkshire terrier should NOT have any traces of Australian Terrier on his DNA.. this is what I am told by my club and the DNA lab.
hugs,
CArmen in nj
Amazing! I've met up with Silkies and I couldn't tell that they weren't Yorkies. On another note, it does really bother me when someone new comes on asking for advice while their little Yorkie is in the middle of having puppies and they are crying 'help!', asking questions that I would have thought should have been researched before their doggie went into labor. I've often wondered how good breeders can hold their tongues. Guess for the sake of the puppies it is best to quickly help and not lecture. ~Joanne~

Jennxling 02-23-2010 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3015069)
LOL :D:D:D!!! Exactly!

I can't tell you how many people came up to us and said about Marcel "Awwwww, this is what we thought we were buying" (:eek:) -and-

"Oh, is he a TEACUP yorkie?"

{errrrr....no, he's just standard size, but was the smallest one in his litter :)}
Yea, same here. I have people come up to me and ask if my girl is a teacup. She is 3 lbs at 5 months. I just tell them no and that she is going to grow. Others come up to me and comment on my little boy and said their dog was suppose to be what mine looks like but it's too big and ect.

carmen in nj 02-23-2010 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4doggiemama (Post 3015398)
Amazing! I've met up with Silkies and I couldn't tell that they weren't Yorkies. On another note, it does really bother me when someone new comes on asking for advice while their little Yorkie is in the middle of having puppies and they are crying 'help!', asking questions that I would have thought should have been researched before their doggie went into labor. I've often wondered how good breeders can hold their tongues. Guess for the sake of the puppies it is best to quickly help and not lecture. ~Joanne~
LOL, belieme is not easy, I try to stay out of some of those threads I seem to notice that most of them come here for affirmation and when they don't get it they never come back. but if I can help one puppy that makes my day.
and yes silky and yorkie are very close to the untrained eye but once you get to study the breeds and see them close you start noticing the differences. My first check up is the dark rims around the eyes and the longer leaner body.. then I move on to the details...LOL
hugs,
Carmen in nj

JeanieK 02-23-2010 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3015035)
Thank you for this post, sometimes I feel very alone on this matter. I really hate seeing what's been done to most purebreds. It not only bothers me when someone doesn't know anything about breeding, it bothers me even more, when they think they know it all. Seems like people can read a few websites and become experts. Many of the breeders I do respect, say how they are constantly learning. I often encourage buyers to support only the best of breeders; those who breed to standard. I think buyers need to be aware that they are giving breeders a gold star every time they purchase a dog from them, you are saying you approve of this breeder, and what they are doing to the Yorkshire Terrier breed. Our rescues and shelters are filled with pets, if you just want a pet, I hope you go to a rescue or shelter, but if you really want to see that the yorkie is around 100 years from now, find a really good breeder and support him/her.
Nancy I agree with you, to a point. I must reiterate. There is more to being a good breeder thsn just breeding for the standard. HEALTH must ALWAYS come first.

We would like to think that, that is a given, but it is not. there are breeders who will breed for looks without any concern for what is going on on the inside.

I'd much rather have a non-standard that is healthy than one who looks great but is not sound.


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