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Pinch collars for obedience training? Has anyone heard of these? They are metal collars with spikes that point inward. Eddie's obedience school instructor suggested that some dogs might need them, including Eddie! I guess the idea is that they are actually better than buckle collars that dogs pull on until they choke. With these, the dogs pull less. I looked around and there were several dogs in the class using them. Still, it seems severe to me for a Yorkie. I'd appreciate any advice. |
I heard of them, and I don't like them. They are no way at any time for a Yorkie, or any pup if you ask me. If a trainer told me Princess needed one, I would find a new trainer. Good Luck. |
I have seen them before..I dont like them. I think that they are cruel, even for the big dogs. But that is just my opinion. ;) |
IMO- I wouldn't use one, but would love to know why the instructor feels its necessary! What is it about some dogs that pain ( not sure if it hurts but it sounds like it does) would be required for obidence? |
They are called prong collars. I use them for my German Shepherd. They are great. For the small dogs you can get the "small size" (its itty bitty) and the plastic caps if you want. If you would like to see what it feels like put a large one around your leg thigh at the pet store and tug a bit. People might think you are crazy when you're doing this though. I too thought they looked cruel at first and then did some research and bought one myself. The choke chains, are actually VERY cruel. In a study of 50 dogs with choke chains and 50 dogs with prongs, 48 of the choke chain wearing dogs died of neck complications from wearing the collars there whole lives and 2 of the prong collar wearers did, one was not related to the collar at all.. If you guys want I can dig up that study for you. At our German Shepherd board we talk about trainers who scream at us saying how cruel they are and of course, we get new trainers. Like I said they LOOK cruel but are safer than the safe looking ones. |
I used the prong collar on my pit bull & that was the best thing ever! Because he was so strong this collar let him know that I was boss! He obey'd so good on it! But as far as a little dog like a yorkie I would never put one on them! Because their necks & trachea's are so fragile as it is I would'nt put something on it like that! One tug that's too hard & you could end up hurting them real bad! Just my opinion though! |
I have heard about their trachea's and although I don't know much about it, I would be careful with that too.. Yes they work wonders on dogs, but the trachea problem would be reason for caution, with any training collar. And the choke collars would be a BIG no no with trachea problems. |
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Please give Eddie hugs and kisses for me!! :) |
Its not cruel! I promise! I even put one on MY neck before just because I'm so cautious with my dogs. Hahaha. |
I would never put anything like that on Bender. I think if you want to see what it's like, try a big one and stick in around your neck and pull...then you'll know. |
You have to remember though that for dogs, their necks are VERY strong. Human necks are extremely sensitive. Thighs are better testing areas. Though I still agree for Yorkies tracheas things, I wouldn't use them on a Yorkie. |
I really dislike when people differentiate between what can be abusive/cruel to a big dog and what can be abusive/cruel to a small dog. What you wouldn't do/give to a small dog, you shouldn't do/give to a big dog! botom line. |
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As far as the collar goes, when I took Crystal to obedience training; people warned me trainers are not used to these tiny ones and not to use a choke chain. Thankfully my trainer knew I should not. While you are at home I would put a harness on Eddy and when you start to walk him and when he pulls JERK him back like there is no tomorrow and keep doing it until he knows you are not walking until he learns not to pull. I think those of us who don't have a fenced in yard or lots of space to let them run and do have to walk them everyday, start out with this alittle sooner. Good Luck with what ever you decide. Hey Eddie, you didn't hear this from me!! |
2 Attachment(s) Its not abusive or cruel, first of all they aren't spikes. They are either flat or rounded (or like I said you can get the PLASTIC tips) second of all the dog doesn't feel it unless it tugs on the lead (you don't snap these collars). When it tugs there is very slight pressure, but not choking. Only pressure points. Choking IMO is waay worse.. And I would put it on a little dog but not if its known for neck problems. I wouldn't be confortable putting any training collar that would put stress or pressure on their necks. Here's Mali happily wearing hers. She goes INSANE jumping around all happy knowing we are about to go somewhere when she sees it. There are two, in one pic though you cannot see it. |
OMG, is that a bulldog puppy w/ your german shepard? It is soooooooooo cute!! I've always wanted a bulldog!! |
1 Attachment(s) Yes it is! It is my cousins dog. That was the first time I had seen it. He was such a cutie. And very interested in my dog Mali too. She of course was as gentle as ever with him. Check out the cuteness... |
OMG!! That is so freakin cute!!!! I want it!!! :D |
Beautiful What a darling picture. They look like they are in love :) |
I've seen them before and I would never in my right mind use it on my Yorkie. They are way to little and fragile for that. I think they are great for the big massive dogs but not a little dog. Iguess it's also people own preference as well. |
I have used these on my rottweilers before but I don't know of any yorkie that would require that kind to training.( only on my rottie because he liked to chase cars on walks) |
Thanks everyone. I've been stuck on sending out a lot of "lighter," fun threads lately, and it's real nice to see YTers have my back when an important issue comes up. If I was remotely considering it before, I'm not now. I was amazed that the instructor and everyone in the class seemed to think they are the best thing ever. Of course, Eddie is the only Yorkie. My only concern is that he does pull on his collar to the point of coughing sometimes, and there are exercises in in Attention class where they deliberately want us to give the dogs some pressure on the collar. I want to make sure a buckle collar is not bad for him, too. Every instructor we've had has been dead set against a harness for obedience because they don't offer the immediate correction. What to do, what to do? YorkieMa&Pa, you crack me up. First, you were head of security, now you're Eddie's official spokesperson? Are you trying to run ME out of the club? I think I liked you better when you were a harmless stalker. :D :D |
I have two hanging in the garage now. We had them used on our Husky's before they were stolen many years ago. :( They are not cruel. The collars are not sharp and spiky, they have blunt edges and it aids in the larger dogs pulling. :thumbup: By all means, these types of collars are not for toy breed little dogs. :thumbdown I would never in my life consider using one of these on Schatzie. :aimeeyork |
[QUOTE=alaskayorkie] Every instructor we've had has been dead set against a harness for obedience because they don't offer the immediate correction. So....what do the instructors feel about the Yorkie's having trachea damage due to these collars around their neck giving them "immediate correction"??? I just don't understand why a harness would jeapordize any such training but I am by far no expert in this field. I just find it mind boggleing. :confused: |
My yorkie went through a ten week obedience program with a chain collar, and he does not have trachea damage--but he did learn to mind. Trachea damage is much more likely to happen when the collars aren't used correctly. The point of snapping the collar and releasing is that it engages a nerve and gets the dog's attention. A harness won't accomplish this. I've also seen the other type of collar used with great success on large breeds. I wish people would make judgements based on information rather than what something looks like. And remember, many of the instructors in obedience classes have had years upon years of experience--they love dogs just as much as we do. |
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I use a harness type thing on my big dogs to get them to quit pulling. They step into it and the leash attaches to the part that goes under their legs and when they pull it puts pressure on those muscles right there in their arm pit area. It has worked wonders for me with our three big dogs they stopped pulling the first time out. It does, like the prong collar, cause discomfort though. Its not going to kill the dog they just stop pulling because they don't want to feel it and I guess tugging on any collar is going to cause some sort of discomfort. I don't know if it will help you with what you are needing it for, its more for walking but I guess if you tug on it while he is sitting or what not you would get his attention. Well anyway I'll try to find a link to one like mine then I'll post it if I do and you can check it out if you like. |
I've never used the prong type collars so I'm not saying this is better I just thought that it may be something to loook into for you since it doesn't put any pressure on the neck. I think this one is like mine. It looks like it from the front and sounds like it. I just can't tell how the back is so I'm not positive. On mine the loops that go under the legs both come up in teh back and go through a loop then they have a ring attached to the end of them that you attach the leash to. This way when the dog pulls it tightens the loops under the legs(that's the important part, the tightening of the loops). http://www.dog.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=320404+2S+BLK&Cat= |
I personally have seen these in use, and it is sad. My boyfriend's borther had a Weimeraner (spelling) andhe wouldn't even act the same with it on. He lost his personality and just sat there. It actually pinched his neck, now I pesonally would not pinch my dog, so why use a collar that is going to do the same thing. This is jsut my opinion, but they seem awfully cruel to me. |
I don't post on here that often, but I agree with foxontherun613. I use a prong collar on my big dog because nothing else worked with her. 4 years of obedience training with many different trainers and she still pulled like a maniac on her leash. Finally one of my trainers suggested the prong collar and I said no way because it looked cruel. I had heard about that study that said choke chains were less humane than prongs, but still the appearance of them scared me. But, she convinced me to take one walk with it on. What did I have to lose? So, I took ONE walk with it on and the same dog who had dragged me down the street 5 minutes ago was now a perfect angel and not pulling one bit. I was amazed. I even put it on my forearm and it doesn't hurt! It's uncomfortable but it doesn't hurt. It works I would use it on big dogs but with little dogs I wouldn't. I use a harness with Rika. I disagree with StewiesMom though. There are things big dogs can handle that little dogs can not. Every dog is different and needs to be treated differently. Regardless of size no two dogs should be treated the same. |
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