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noangelx 02-09-2010 06:51 PM
How small is too small to breed??
 
The lady 4 houses down from me has a yorkie girl also and tonight while walking my dogs around the pond out back we ran into her and she was telling me that she found a stud to breed her 3.5 lb female to..
She says he is 2.7 lbs and she is very excited for tiny pups...

I tried to say that her Daisy girl is too small for breeding, But she said her vet said it was perfectly fine...
I didn't push it because I didn't want to overstep...

I see her almost daily...Should I say something else??

livingdustmops 02-09-2010 06:54 PM
Whoa...way to small...have you tried to talk her into coming on YT?

It probably will be to late but it is worth a shot...she could lose her little girl...:eek:

jencar98 02-09-2010 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2996478)
Whoa...way to small...have you tried to talk her into coming on YT?

It probably will be to late but it is worth a shot...she could lose her little girl...:eek:
:thumbup:
Either this or print off a sheet from YT explaining the dangers of breeding a tiny girl......maybe even threads where tiny girls have had problems whelping.

yorkieusa 02-09-2010 07:07 PM
I really do live in a world gone mad.:(

noangelx 02-09-2010 07:08 PM
Do you have links to those threads? I want to help, but am hoping it doesn't just make her mad at me for butting in... But I can't stop thinking about it...

violet voon 02-09-2010 07:15 PM
I think you can invite her to YT before making any further decision!

violet voon 02-09-2010 07:19 PM
Check these!:)

Nancy1999 02-09-2010 07:42 PM
I have a lot of respect for vets, but you have to remember that they do not learn breed specific information. Some vets are small dog specialists, and even they aren't up with the latest news in specific breed information. The experts on breeding and what's safe, is the mother club for yorkies, and that's the Yorkshire Terrier Club of American. The YTCA is made up of experienced breeders, and I believe that they know much more about what's safe for a Yorkies than most vets. One of the reasons, I chose my vet is that he told me, he gets most of his knowledge of breed specific information from really good breeders.

Here's what the YTCA says:
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(Females weighing less than 5 pounds are considered by most breeders to be unsuitable for breeding.) Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards).
The mother will probably need a cesarean, which is very expensive, and it's very possible that she'll lose the mother and/or the puppies, if she can't get her to the vet in time. Remember also, that the pregnancy weight puts an awful lot of stress on a tinies who already have fragile bones, especially the knees. Some breeders will breed tinies, but they aren't emotionally involved, so it doesn't matter to them if they die in birth. They just want to sell the puppies. Please "OVERSTEP", she might be very thankful you did, the more she learns.

noangelx 02-09-2010 07:48 PM
Thanks for all the good advice :)

Breeze 02-09-2010 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by noangelx (Post 2996561)
Thanks for all the good advice :)
Yes remind her how expensive vet care is in this city. She would not want to have a c-section here let alone an emergency one.

I would encourage her to come to YT, tell her how fun it is...... Hopefully she would see the threads on breeding tinies. :)

Her Name Is Rio 02-09-2010 09:40 PM
:thumbup:
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2996551)
I have a lot of respect for vets, but you have to remember that they do not learn breed specific information. Some vets are small dog specialists, and even they aren't up with the latest news in specific breed information. The experts on breeding and what's safe, is the mother club for yorkies, and that's the Yorkshire Terrier Club of American. The YTCA is made up of experienced breeders, and I believe that they know much more about what's safe for a Yorkies than most vets. One of the reasons, I chose my vet is that he told me, he gets most of his knowledge of breed specific information from really good breeders.

Here's what the YTCA says:

The mother will probably need a cesarean, which is very expensive, and it's very possible that she'll lose the mother and/or the puppies, if she can't get her to the vet in time. Remember also, that the pregnancy weight puts an awful lot of stress on a tinies who already have fragile bones, especially the knees. Some breeders will breed tinies, but they aren't emotionally involved, so it doesn't matter to them if they die in birth. They just want to sell the puppies. Please "OVERSTEP", she might be very thankful you did, the more she learns.
:thumbup:

Rio is only 3 lbs and I wouldn't DREAM of breeding her! I had her spayed at 8 months when she was just 2.8 lbs. Please try to persuade her to NOT breed her little girl!

Cerise 02-10-2010 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkieusa (Post 2996511)
I really do live in a world gone mad.:(

Me too and selfish because it's all about them and not their Yorkie :confused: I am beginning to believe that a lot of these people just don't care.

I can't understand why someone would get a Yorkie and not learn about what's BEST for the breed before they become consumed with thoughts about having a litter of cute puppies to sell. That is what all this craziness is about. These owners can't possibly be interested in becoming an actual reputable breeder. Their actions and comments show that they are too ignorant for that! They think just having a male and female that can mate and reproduce is all that matters. :mad: It's sickening reading about it so much and I know it has to be very irritating to reputable breeders and rescuers.

yorkieusa 02-10-2010 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 2996994)
Me too and selfish because it's all about them and not their Yorkie :confused: I am beginning to believe that a lot of these people just don't care.

I can't understand why someone would get a Yorkie and not learn about what's BEST for the breed before they become consumed with thoughts about having a litter of cute puppies to sell. That is what all this craziness is about. These owners can't possibly be interested in becoming an actual reputable breeder. Their actions and comments show that they are too ignorant for that! They think just having a male and female that can mate and reproduce is all that matters. :mad: It's sickening reading about it so much and I know it has to be very irritating to reputable breeders and rescuers.
In the end, no matter what is said, it really is about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.:(

Cerise 02-10-2010 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkieusa (Post 2997022)
In the end, no matter what is said, it really is about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.:(

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Exactly!

MaddiesMommie 02-10-2010 08:53 AM
You could tell you have read so much on YT about breeding and you have been worrying about Daisy ever since she told about her plans to breed her.

Print her some information and invite her to join. I would express myself in a way that shows you are concerned and care for her Yorkie and maybe she won't feel like she is being attacked. Usually, we can make much more of an impact when we approach people in a non-threatening way. Hopefully, she will see your concern for Daisy and appreciate it...hopefully.:)

BabyBrizzy 03-22-2010 12:16 PM
Can someone help me? I just rescued another Yorkie today (seems to be a growing trend with me!) and she is only 3 pounds and pregnant. I have a vet appointment for her tomorrow, and I just want to know what questions to ask. She was only studded a week ago, is it too late to terminate the pregnancy? Is that even possible? The lady I got her from said she had had a litter of 4 before with no problems, but she doesn't, and I quote "want to deal with the whelping" this time around, so she gave her to me. What should i do??

Nancy1999 03-22-2010 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BabyBrizzy (Post 3050428)
Can someone help me? I just rescued another Yorkie today (seems to be a growing trend with me!) and she is only 3 pounds and pregnant. I have a vet appointment for her tomorrow, and I just want to know what questions to ask. She was only studded a week ago, is it too late to terminate the pregnancy? Is that even possible? The lady I got her from said she had had a litter of 4 before with no problems, but she doesn't, and I quote "want to deal with the whelping" this time around, so she gave her to me. What should i do??
Yikes this is horrible, I have a problem with this breeder, why did she allow her to get pregnant if she didn't want to deal with the whelping? I think with someone like this, you can pretty much ignore anything she says, and she might be lying about the previous successful litter. Glad you are taking her to the vet tomorrow, from my understanding the vet can spay her even though she is pregnant, and this sounds like the safest solution. You know she might even have been accidentally impregnated with a much bigger dog, since this breeder doesn't sound ethical, it's hard to know the truth.

DvlshAngel985 03-22-2010 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BabyBrizzy (Post 3050428)
Can someone help me? I just rescued another Yorkie today (seems to be a growing trend with me!) and she is only 3 pounds and pregnant. I have a vet appointment for her tomorrow, and I just want to know what questions to ask. She was only studded a week ago, is it too late to terminate the pregnancy? Is that even possible? The lady I got her from said she had had a litter of 4 before with no problems, but she doesn't, and I quote "want to deal with the whelping" this time around, so she gave her to me. What should i do??
What a crazy lady!!! She just pawned off her problems to you. I agree with Nancy. Your new tiny baby may be a first time mother and that "breeder" just said it would be ok so you could agree to take her. Nancy gave you great advice and from all the "oopsie, my baby is preggos" threads I've read, it is very possible to terminate her pregnancy. I have a feeling that around the time your new baby girl is due to whelp, this "breeder" will be coming around asking for a pup.:rolleyes:

jencar98 03-22-2010 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BabyBrizzy (Post 3050428)
Can someone help me? I just rescued another Yorkie today (seems to be a growing trend with me!) and she is only 3 pounds and pregnant. I have a vet appointment for her tomorrow, and I just want to know what questions to ask. She was only studded a week ago, is it too late to terminate the pregnancy? Is that even possible? The lady I got her from said she had had a litter of 4 before with no problems, but she doesn't, and I quote "want to deal with the whelping" this time around, so she gave her to me. What should i do??
It is not only possible but highly advisable you have this girl spayed and soon.

Good luck.

BabyBrizzy 03-22-2010 12:52 PM
Ok thank you guys! I am soo glad I found YT.com! It really has helped me alot! This little girl is soo tiny I am not even sure she is 3 pounds. She fits in my boyfriends hands... And she feels cold... She is eating and playing, but she is very shy around people, and it makes my heart hurt. My Boston Terrier, who is 6, seems to think that the new girl is HER baby and keeps cleaning her and trying to nurse her! She is soo cute! (Marley, my BT had a still born litter due to her previous owner neglecting her. I regularly take in dogs that have been abused and nurse them back to health.)

Anyone have any good names for my new tiny addition to my family?? I am trying to think of one, but my mind is still more focused on her health...

Twinkie2Cute 03-22-2010 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkieusa (Post 2996511)
I really do live in a world gone mad.:(
That pretty much sums it up. We do live in a world that has gone mad.:mad:


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