I feel the same way about my dog. I went to a breeder who I thought was reputible (we had references). There were two pups left one being my Oscar. He was about 2 lbs at 10 weeks. When the breeder gave us the papers, the birthday was off and the parents were different than what we were told. I didn't realize any of this until the vet told me that he seemed much younger than the paper listed and also that he was too young to have had the vaccines that the breeder gave him. He is now at 5.2 lbs and has had a ton of helath problems. We didn't get him registered cause that would have been $1000 more. I think I got scammed. He is my little angel and now I wouldn't change him but the vet bills and problems have been exhausting.
Hopefully his parents weren't "teacups" that shouldn't have been bred in the first place.

Neither one of you were scammed, just taken because both of you were part of the unsuspecting public that falls for the "Teacup" advertising ploy. No reputable breeder would charge you $1,000 more to provide papers. A reputable breeder offers pet quality pups for one price and show quality pups for another. You obtain papers in both transactions; the difference is one is on a limited registration (no breeding rights) and the other is on an open registration (breeding rights), but with a very strong contract.

I wish I did more research before buying. The breeder never actually called him a teacup. I probably should have known something was wrong. When we looked at the last 2 puppies, Oscar was just mellow and the other was hyper. Maybe that was because he was sick already. He just stole my heart tho and I love him to pieces. Next time I will learn from my mistakes and do more research and ask more questions.

Just going to throw my 2 cents in here, hope there's no offense taken as it's just my personal experiences.

I don't even know how or why you'd register a dog for ACA or AKC. I honestly don't know the point or anything even though I know what the letters stand for. But, is it mostly just for dog showing or what?

And also thought I'd input my experience with Lolli

Well, my boyfriend decided to adopt a dog but instead of surprising me with something unknowing what I'd like or anything, he gave me a budget and I went out and found the types of dogs available for rescue and researched any breed that was a possibility. Finally I found my yorkie, but I had already done a ton of research as I have ALWAYS loved this breed anyway and I'm one to go out and learn about things I like, immediately.

I made the mistake when I was a lot younger by not researching aquatic turtles before I got one. I guess that's why parents allowing kids to get certain types of pets to learn responsibility is important to life. I had joined a turtle forum and found out all this information about how they need a lot of water in their habitat, not the little tiny 1 or 2 inches of water you see so commonly in movies or at the dreaded Flea Markets *shivers* and many other tid bits of information that would have made a whole world of difference in him surviving.

So yeah I guess I am just overly thorough in researching what I purchase before I purchase, because I don't want another situation where I have some living thing in a bad situation because of my ignorance.

Oh and I wanted to ask one last thing/make one last point. I have read on various places that RUNT is actually a natural DEFORMITY. Is this true? I don't know how reputable the sources were of where I've read that nor do I remember where I have read it but I know it was more than 1 place.

So if that is true, why would anyone want to create another deformity from something already deformed? Can you imagine doing that to humans or other animals??

P.S. As I was researching turtles in my younger years, I found that people sometimes get a 2 headed deformity AND BREED IT to get more 2 headeds to make money...

Interesting analogy...same principle. :thumbup:

Exactly!

More people will eventually learn that HEALTHIER is the key to quality Yorkie breeding, not smaller, especially if they get a chance to read about all of the drama of sick and dying puppies before they make their purchase.

To the poster of the sick puppy...many owners of sick puppies claim they wouldn't trade them for nothing because they love them so much. I can understand the love and I think that is okay if you can afford it, but not everyone can afford these type of on-going vet bills. I'm sure there are some owners who really wish they had waited and became more informed before their purchase. I say to them, love your babies and don't get offended when people on YT answer your questions by using logic, common sense, or experience, because there are serious Yorkie experts on here (I'm not one of them) who know their stuff, and they will sometimes tell you what you may not want to hear, like or agree with. But it's good information.

Having a new puppy that is constantly getting sick or needing medical attention is NOT a good sign for where the puppy came from. IMO the purchaser of that sickly puppy was scammed because the selling breeder cared more for the money instead of the breed, no matter how long they claim to have been in the breeding business. Though there are many Yorkies given up to shelters and rescues for these discouraging reasons, these breeders know Yorkies sell.

I agree with you. I was concerned at first but my dog is very healthy and I had her checked out before I bought her. She was over a thousand but I just figured that is what Yorkies cost. And you are right, I had no idea of what was involved in the breed itself. I'm blessed and have the money to care for her in any way she needs.

I have always heard the word "teacup" to mean small, i.e. teacup poodles and so on. I have decided NOT to send the ACA any money to register my little lady. She wont be a "show dog" except for the show she puts on for us every night during our play time.
Thank you for the information you have given.

I'm not sure what the ACA is or where you live. Is it a Kennel club such as American Kennel Club or Canadian Kennel Club?

Never mind American Kennel Association is notable registry. Again it is used by bybers and puppy mills that want to fool the unsuspecting public that they are purchasing a papered dog. What amazes me is that someone would even think of charging an extra $1,000 for papers that are worthless. The only way you could show your dog in dog shows is if your dog is AKC or CKC

The papers the breeder gave me say "American Canine Association" and give the mom and the dad's names and the name of the person who owns them. This breeder did not own either dog so I don't know what part she played unless it was that she had the space to keep the dogs. She had a very nice place, sort of out in the country. She is outside of Houston.

If you go to the AKC and read the standard for each of the toy dogs....there is no such thing as a Teacup in any of those breeds.

Mmmm the breeder didn't own either dog, then she couldn't have been the breeder, more likely a broker.

The papers she gave you were worthless...

well like I said...I am NOT sending them in anyway so I could care less. I didn't know the lady so she could be the spawn of Satan for all I know. Matters not to me...I have a beautiful little dog out of the whole deal...I'm happy!!!:);)

I admit, I made a mistake and probably was scammed, but I do love my dog and I can aford to take care of him so I would never give him up to a shelter. I feel this dog came to me for a reason. He may not have even had a chance with someone else. He has gotten through his illnesses and is doing much better. I gave him a chance at life. I have seen many other posts on here of people taking care of sick animals and I want to give them my best. No one would choose to get a sick puppy but if it is what you are given in life the only thing you could do is take care of them the best you can. I realize not everyone can afford it they just have to do what is best for them and the animal.
Every animal deserves a chance at life. So in response, no I wouldn't change the fact that I got my dog. He has taught me a lot in the time he has been with me and will hopefully give me many years of happiness. He's taught me patience and made me a more caring person.
I agree that breeders need to stop trying to sell sell sell and care more about quality not quantity. Healthy puppies should be the ONLY goal.
Sorry for rambling.

Don't worry about it any longer...every person on this board had to have been scammed on something at one time, or two, in their lives. You were placed in that dogs life just as he was placed in yours. What a blessing the two of you have made for each other. I'm starting to believe that "papers" are everything to some folks instead of what really matters...a really happy little dog and a really happy human! Enjoy life...it's too short!!!

Thanks, that means alot. :)

They should be shut down...grrrr

I really think it is illegal and should be reported as false advertisement.

these (b)greeders are hacks. I took the time (yes, I'm geeky) to read their gaurante (sic), and it was as though a child had written it! My god, what a combo - Jesus freaks AND unethical! How typical :rolleyes:

Wonder if they sell puppies after church service."For only $5000 you can have a Yorkie with worthless papers" Praise the Lord!!

OH Lordy how I hate breeders that use the name of Jesus to sell dogs. When I see this on a website I run the other way....it is like they haven't a clue with their breeding program and they hide behind religion. I really do believe animals suffer in these environments...IMHO.

Extremely well put!!!

I just want people to know i would never choose a small dog over a healthy dog that is just silly. Of course breed for healthier. i just don't see anything wrong with wanting a smaller dog. People wanted smaller Yorkies way before me thats why the yorkie dropped down from 30lb to the average 7lb. Every one makes it sound like all little 2lb dogs are unhealthy its just not true. my little dude is proof in that. i think there are just alot of bad breeders out there taking advantage of people wanting a smaller yorkie and breeding unhealthy runts to make them. nothing is guarrantee if the bad breeder is selling 5lb yorkies they are bound to be sick too. its not all about size. There needs to be better laws on breeding there really does. And if someone sells you a sick puppy or is selling sick puppies there needs to be a bigger consiquence for them. And untill then we will always have sick dogs no matter what size they are.

Yes agree. Not ALL tinies are unhealthy. Plenty in my local meetup group are under 3 lbs and healthy.

And to add, a 7 pound dog is already really freakin small!

I agree that not all small yorkie are unhealthy, but I do think it's sad the way some people get competitive over the size of their yorkies......when I walk mine I always meet people who 'have a teacup at home' or knows someone with a 'micro-mini' :rolleyes: I have no doubt that they know people with smaller yorkies - mine are monsters in comparison to some! (14lb and 8lb).....I just dont understand why smaller is considered better.


I get the same thing in reverse with our great dane - everyone knows someone who has one that is 'up to here' (holding their hand level to their shoulder) Drives me nuts! xxx

Small is not better sometimes
 

[QUOTE=Lucia;2912846]I agree that not all small yorkie are unhealthy, but I do think it's sad the way some people get competitive over the size of their yorkies......when I walk mine I always meet people who 'have a teacup at home' or knows someone with a 'micro-mini' :rolleyes: I have no doubt that they know people with smaller yorkies - mine are monsters in comparison to some! (14lb and 8lb).....I just dont understand why smaller is considered better.


Claire, Small isn't considered better. My specialist recommends not get a yorkie unless it's at least 5 pounds. The small the size, the more the problems with health and growth. Their little bones are very delicate and it's very costly for surgery. They don't recover as well and a normal size. Generally, the rule of thumb is 5 - 7 pounds.
My brother has a 14 pounder and his cute...lol

Kathleen Punken Pie and Breese Be Be... Lil Ol Tuffy.. RIP

$4000! {****}!!!!!!!

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i found one puppy online that is selling for $9750 and is suppose to be 2lbs full grown
that's too small!!!

i really dont see why people have to get so mad at teacup/teaspoon puppies????? why does it bother you i live in england and i think the term we use is minitures.

bella is a mini and is so healty and happy i couldnt wish for a better dog yet my neighbours have normal size yorkies and have all had problems with their health so dont make me laugh and say the smaller the more "sickly" even my vet laughed at that one.

the reason for me wanting a smaller dog was simple i have a little boy and iam scared of him getting hurt badly off a dog so the smaller the less harm if this did happen which wouldnt because bella is so soft with him.

i dont mean to offend people but you have to understand how offened people who have these mins/teacup yorkies get when we read threads like this with comments like your dogs sickly, your dogs a runt it shouldnt be registered ect ect.

i dont like the fact breeders cut off a puppies dew claw and tails but so what its their choice and buying a mini is ours so please dont slag them off because we get upset :( ( dew claw and tail removal is illegal in england thank god :D)

No we are not saying bad on the smaller babies, we are saying it's bad news when the breeder calls them teacups, to charge more money. And what's smaller than a teacup? well a teaspoon of course, so of course they are going to charge even more money for it. That is what we don't like.

It is also the unknowing public out there that thinks teacup is an official term to describe them. This just shows the lack of education out there, for people to be scammed. Also breeders will sell regular sized yorkies too young, and claiming they are teacup, charging more money. I have lots of people I know that say "Well he was supposed to be a teacup."

Oh, also when breeders purposely breed for the extreme small size, that's not good.

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Very well said!

when i went to pick bella up the breeder said she was one of 2 pups in the litter of 5 that where on the small side so because the dad was miniture she thinks that the size they will be and when i saw the dad he was so cute he looked so much like a puppy thats what made me want a miniture because i know she will stay looking like a puppy and even more cute

iam sure a breeder would have to state what size dog they are going to get but chrging more money is wrong altho a lot of people over here would go for the miniture rather than a normal size yorkie and there arent that many minis so thats why minis are more money because breeders know people will pay that much for a mini x