ps - I'll say one more thing

You saved this girl. For the wrong reasons maybe and I hope you don't follow thru on this terrible breeding .....but since you DID save her - why not find a good home for her and let her live out her life with some love in it.

Poor girl - she is scared of humans and I don't blame her one bit. She needs stability and care - not to be bred to a blue born male and then sold again.

You have offers to take her - why not do it ? ...you'll sleep better at night
good luck

My girl is very submissive and rolls one her back constantly but her piddling stopped pretty soon. She was scared and really desperately LOVES attention.

She's turned out to be a great little thing and I love her to pieces. I'm a cuddler and I love to nuture. If you aren't looking to nuture a dog, then her personality will never be to your liking. Her personality could be passed on to any puppies and then if your family is like you and not nuturing to the dog, what's the point?

Please stop and think :(

OP, your little Birdie really does deserve a loving home, whether it be yours or someone elses. As someone else said, you did save her, whether you knew it or not. When I got my little Tia a few months ago, DH couldn't believe I was buying (I called it rescuing) a 1 yr old, 2 lb, PREGNANT baby! But, when we found out this so called breeder was keeping her babies OUTSIDE, and in an old camper when it was cold ( hey I live in Louisiana; it's hardly cold here), and they slept in a barn, we couldn't get to her fast enough! :mad: Poor baby had issues.....she had no hair on her ears or little nubby tail, and was so frail I thought she'd break. She would scream when I was out of her sight. I had her scheduled with my vet for a spaying, abortion, teeth cleaning...the works. I brought her to work with me for 2 full weeks. Now, 4 months later, she's gained a full lb. has hair everywhere she's supposed to and a little ball of fire. If you can bond with this baby....great! Spay her, love her, give her the life she deserves. If you're unable to do that, do you both a favor and rehome. Get Petie a brother to play with. My 4 boys get along great! Good luck, and please keep us updated.

Oh wow! Tia has a wonderful mama.

:thumbup: I just read this entire thread, My head is spinning, My karleigh who is almost 7 has piddles every day, Has since she was a baby, I leave my
carpet cleaner and a sponge out and move on with my day enjoying every
moment spent with her :)

anyone know what the outcome of this situation was? OP?

:confused: i was wondering about that too :confused:

confused too:confused:

The OP disappeared after it was discovered where the dogs were kept from the breeder she bought the dogs from. She was fully aware of where these dogs came from and apparently thought it was okay that they lived in cages under a trailer.:eek:

I don't want to drag up old news but its one of those that plays on your mind , do you know what I mean?

thats right i been thinking alot about it too . i still cant believe what was said. thas what plays on my mind:confused:

:thumbup::thumbup: The only thing all of us can pray for is that she LISTENED!

Braids, eyes, fingers, arms, buns, legs and toes crossed and hoping the same thing...

Everybody attacks to fast she feels ganged up on! everyone needs to learn to ease into things better on here. i would stop responding too if everyone was mean to me she seems like a nice lady nobody finds anything out about her just makes judgments to fast. people are not as smart as a lot of people here on YT and need help to understand not to be attacked. people called her a greeder and other things and didn't really ask why she was breeding. you know kindness works a lot better than attacking someone. we all read so many things about bad breeders and puppy mills and animal cruelty but not everyone is bad they just need the right education. people should stop attacking people that come on here with questions we may not like. Because we should be so lucky they came on here we are able to teach. One person at a time that's what it takes. kindness and patients people!!! then maybe we would have known what happened or going to happen to the little girl.

Honey, if you're just gonna get rid of her, why would you bond with her?:eek: If you're gonna bond with her, how can you say that you're just gonna sell her? What a sad puppy dog...:cry2:If I were you, I would either make the decision to be this dog's life companion, or find her one before you breed her. First off, you won't make much if anything off the pups, she could die, the pups could die, it's a spendy hobby, as well as a stressful one. No, I'm not a breeder, but I want to be someday, and have been doing lots of research.
ANYWAYS...about the peeing...If it's when you get home and stuff, don't make a big deal out of coming or going. Try just to not make anything a big deal at all. We went through this with Joey, and he's now fine. He rarely pees out of excitement. She could also be doing it out of stress. She's in a brand new house with new people, and she's probably stressed, confused, and sad that she's not with her old family. I wish you (and her!) the best of luck.

Depends on what you call an attack.

I am going to go back to what I said way back:

And...as far as I am concerned, no one attacked anyone. She got the truth. If she did not want the truth, she should not have brought up a topic she HAD to know would bring what it did!
If she TRULY wanted advice about submissive piddling, she would simply have asked for that.
Don't go now trying to accuse people of running her off....she heard what she NEEDED to hear. Breeding either of those yorkies would be WRONG...no really sweetie sweetie sugar pie way to say that. And to sit and sweet talk her while she bred them would have been criminal imo.
People on this board have exercised almost too much patience at times if you ask me..of course you did not, but I will say it anyway!

maybe she did their are people out their that don't know what a puppy mill looks like or what to look for in a bad breeder. she needed people to tell her nicely. their are people out there that are really ignorant when it comes to dogs. breeding, buying and taking care of them. i know i was very ignorant and had no clue what to look for in a puppy mill when i was a child my parents got a dog from a puppy mill and they had no idea what it really was and nether did i. i just realized a few years ago that that's where my child hood dog came from. i really didn't know what to look for what are bad conditions? i didn't know a bunch of cages ment they never get out to play beside it being clean we didn't know what to look for. really people need to be more understanding and patient we get further that way.

she upset me too .but honestly im taking what you are saying to me offensive i don't know if you mean it or if you are saying it in a rude way. we would have been successful and got her to do all you guys wanted her to do. give the little girl up to the right home and not breed her now we probably will not know because people are hot tempered if we all love dogs as i know all of us do. before we get hot tempered think about the dog .Making someone mad is not going to help that dog. did this work No. all im saying attacking someone never does. She probably just got mad and went on to do what she started out to do. And i realize people that post stupid things on here probably do it for kicks just to make everyone mad. Because they know peeople on here will feed into it.

No one has attacked anyone.

If the truth made her mad, so be it.

None of us are responsible for that dog. The OP is! She was told the truth...if she does what is not good for that dog, it is because SHE decided to follow her OWN advice. Everyone was actually nice to her. And this thread for once was not full of people accusing others of being mean. Note the past tense.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

:) Go for it and I hope you are able to get her and it not the little's fault that she is stressed out and had a bad start in life. Canines know when they are not wanted and when they are abandoned, it hurts. Hope things things work out. bently 1 :)

I agree -- she was never attacked. People suggested she rehome a dog she readily divulged that she did not like, had not bonded with, and would rehome as soon as she bred her once to a dog that should never be bred. No one called her names or even said what they thought of someone in this situation. They merely gave their opinion of what to do next. Several also gave suggestions to help with the stress incontinence problem. But I thought it remained very civil.

No one should expect that people are going to sugarcoat every opinion. It is hard to say, "Well since you are such a nice person and doing everything so very well on your own accord, why don't you just go ahead and find a new home for that little girl of yours now? Okay?" No -- it won't come out that way, it will come out like, "Since you do not like her, have not bonded, and consider her to have a submissive personality, why not rehome her now instead of breeding her with a dog that should never reproduce and then getting rid of her and a bunch of puppies that may have all sorts of problems?" Sure that sounds a little rough if you are the person getting it but it SHOULD! People need to KNOW when they are messing up. In this case, continuing as posted, would have been messing up. People who know better have a responsibility to say so --just as they did without namecalling or nasty judgemental rhetoric. I thought it was well done.

Nobody answered her about the piddling everyone started off by saying why are you breeding her if you don't like her. Very good question but wrong time i think. People offered to take the dog from her. people said she was using the dog. saying she was looking for a quick fix about her piddling problems where did they get that from maybe if PM were used but i didn't know about that. people said she is breeding for money and a greeder i didn't see anywhere that she said she is doing it for money i mean that was the first few responses and nothing about her piddling problem. and she was clearly offended when she replied back to all of them then it got even worse. Im not saying everyone was rude i didn't read everyone's but i even had a little remark at what i said but i kept it questionable she upset me too. i don't know i just find people on here jump to fast into accusing someone . If it was face to face it would be a different story people would have approached it differently. she is clearly wrong but being rude is not going to make her see it. ask questions first then we can judge and really know what she is about. she said she thought about the timidness passing down to the pups and thought about not breeding her. people just talked to her wrong. she admitted it! someone needed to say yes your right the timidness and personality will pass down to the pups you love your boys personality so much don't ruin it with a personality you don't like you should find her a new home and then go from there. im not turning this into a argument I guess I just talk to people different. I answer questions no different on the computer then i would face to face. if you guys believe the conversation went good look at her responses she was defending herself anybody that's defending themselves will no listen they don't care if they are right or wrong. nobody is responsible for her dog but her i agree. but she asked for help with something and we seen something we didn't like and attacked her right away without questioning that's what i seen. just my opinion i am not sticking up for her or anything i believe in what everyone wanted her to do everyone was in the right it just didn't come across that nice and with people like that you need to be nice or nothing goes through

if you care to respond to something like this then you should sugar coat it a bit because they wont listen. she didn't listen to anybody.we could at least kept her talking. go stand infront of a puppy mill and bash them you really are not going to get anywhere but if someone talked to the owner of that puppy mill and really showed them the light that's a bit more effective right. it takes more time and is harder but its more effective. im not saying anyone bashed her that's a bit harsh nobody did that but were just a bit mean and made her become offensive.

If you think talking all nice to a puppymill owner is going to make them "see the light" and turn their life around, you are living in a dream world. Do you think they really are unaware of the cruelty they are causing? Do you think they cannot see the poor matted fur, long curled under nails, and the woeful eyes that yearn to walk on the ground, play with a toy and feel a nurturing hand? Sometimes you have to be blunt, sometimes you have to tell a person they are doing wrong, sometimes you have to stop molly-coddling people who should know better!

I like the ideals you are broaching on, but do not go along with all of it. I might even agree there were a couple of posts that could have been worded better, but I think they were made more in shock that someone came on here and posted such a thing. You do realize she made the comment in her very first post that not only did she not like the dog, but she was going to use it once and then get rid of it!!! If you really thought she should be treated with kid gloves, her stress incontinence problem answered, and otherwise welcomed with open arms, why did you not do it yourself?

In a perfect world, sure, we could always address issues with a smile, pat on the back and a scholarly word or two. But this is not a perfect world! A human being should already know better than to post what she did. She should be met with some surprise and disapproval. No name calling, no out and out disdain, but a clear message that the act she was contemplating was unacceptable.

I do understand what you are saying and when you find Utopia, I will agree with all you say. Til' then, I say sometimes you have to be a little firm. JMO.

Not true! Several mentioned the fact that her submissiveness and peeing were tied in with not being liked, being new and needing time and patience. Post #40 and #41 went into detail about the problem, gave examples, and ideas. ! know there are more but I am not reading through this whole thread again, those were all on the first two pages.

Most addressed the breeding problem first because it was the most important. A dog can keep being submissive and peeing under stress and live, but breeding indiscrimantly could cause a loss of life. If a child was wearing mismatched shoes and was going to run in front of a car -- which issue would you address? You WARN them immediately about the dangerous situation! You do what you can to save them, even if it means you do not mention the mismatched shoes. So, some did not have an answer to help the submissive peeing, or maybe they did not even stop to think about it -- instead they addressed the most important issue. Not a bad thing!

Well ... then, perhaps you could have tried that with the parents who were giving pot to their little boy. You said that they should not procreate and you reported them. Maybe if you had been nice and shown them the light, they would have not done it again. Just a thought.

As for her getting defensive....if you are not doing something wrong, there is nothing to defend. She knew she was wrong. She has not come back for one of two reasons:
1. She plans to continue to do wrong.
2. She accomplished what she set out to do.
I don't see any other reason honestly....and I will never accept that anyone here ran her off. She is not here posting of her own choice.

no way will i ever sugar coat something just to get on the good side of people. To even suggest it is ridiculous. that woman did not need that dog and the poor little pitiful thing she has in her avatar should be taken down and a new picture put up if she has any. I hae never seen a poorer representation for a so called breeding. it's too early in the morning for me to be upsset so I am leaving this thread again. You are on here jumping on people and it's just not right. this girl did not want to do what is right and seemed to have a closed mind to everything . She saw an opportunity to bu a female and throw her and that blue male together to make a little money. i have no doubt she would never try to be a good breeder or offer a contract or anything and throw those bad looking sick puppies off on someone in the unspuspecting public!!!!!!!

Excuse my typos please and one other thing. She has to know you don't breed dogs like that together if she knows anything at all. she just wanted to come on here and have us all pat her on the back and tell her honey you go right ahead. Serious, ethical breeders are not going to sugar coat anything.

Once again, someone has come here and posted, gotten members stirred up, then disappeared, leaving YT'rs to argue amongst themselves. sigh