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Thorsmomma · 09-27-2005, 06:45 AM

I'm really sorry to hear about your ordeal. I hope your little Ty pulls through with flying colors. I'm glad that your vet provides a credit card care card. That is a great option. I wish you luck in getting all the money from the breeder that you are requesting to reimburse you for the vets bills. Hugs to Ty from Thor!
Hannah

nhsean69 · 09-27-2005, 06:59 AM

Thanks everyone, i will be sure to keep everyone updated on the process.

sylvan · 09-27-2005, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nhsean69

Thank you for your help. I am located in Nashua, NH. We got the puppy from a Kennel out in Arizona (ill keep the name to myself for now as i dont want to slander them if they decide to own up to this) They sent us AKC registration info, so i would guess they are affiliated with them or promote them or whatever.

Puppy Update:

Vet called to let us know that Ty's acid test came back at a level of 60 ...

.......The surgery will be around $1500 and we are approved for a interest free Care Card loan to pay for it, so we are going to go ahead with it, provided the ultrasound shows where the shunt is and the Vet provides us with a good report. I am going after the Breeder for the cost of the Puppy $875 flwon into us and to get them to pay the $810 for the vet bills for the last 2 days. I will work down from there. Plan on offering them to send us the Puppy fee upfront and then pay us the rest when they can aslong as we can pay off the Care Card within the intrest free time frame.

just a thought, as a breeder, I can only guarantee funds up to the price of the pup for medical treatments related to a genetic problem. PSS can rear it's ugly head in a litter even for the best and most careful breeder. This flaw can be recessive for generations and pop up as an unwelcome surprise. A careful breeder would be horrified at the unexpected result and never repeat the breeding, and be willing to have the pup returned and refunded and deal with the medical expenses themselves. If you choose to keep the pup (as most would), the breeder should offer to refund what they recieved as the sale price, but further expenses would be yours to handle. Transportation costs are not usually included in refunds. I keep all pup sales money in escrow for the term of the guarantee, just in case of problems.

nhsean69 · 09-27-2005, 07:55 AM

Thank you for the input, Like i said, im not settling for less then what was paid for the puppy at bare minimum. I would also like the Breeder to take care of the $810 Vet bill (but i am not getting my hopes up, just hoping he is a good guy and cares about the dogs well being more then a profit), and i will cover the surgery as it is my choice to not have him put down.

Do you include a written and signed garuntee with the dog, or is it just a understanding?? I can not find any paperwork that we recieved about a health garuntee, Just a Vets statement saying the dog was healthy for shipment and a Cert. of Health stating that the dog was free of any diseses and was ok to send out of state.

Kelz · 09-27-2005, 08:06 AM

I hope lil Ty's surgery goes okay!

shecass · 09-27-2005, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nhsean69

Thank you for the input, Like i said, im not settling for less then what was paid for the puppy at bare minimum. I would also like the Breeder to take care of the $810 Vet bill (but i am not getting my hopes up, just hoping he is a good guy and cares about the dogs well being more then a profit), and i will cover the surgery as it is my choice to not have him put down.

Do you include a written and signed garuntee with the dog, or is it just a understanding?? I can not find any paperwork that we recieved about a health garuntee, Just a Vets statement saying the dog was healthy for shipment and a Cert. of Health stating that the dog was free of any diseses and was ok to send out of state.

Hopefully they will at least refund you the money that you paid for him. I sure hope he gets to feeling better soon.

chachi · 09-27-2005, 08:11 AM

I am sorry your dog is sick. I hope the breeder refunds some money to you. Thats great that your vet has a payment plan. Hopefully he will get better soon.

sylvan · 09-27-2005, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nhsean69

Thank you for the input, Like i said, im not settling for less then what was paid for the puppy at bare minimum. I would also like the Breeder to take care of the $810 Vet bill (but i am not getting my hopes up, just hoping he is a <a href="good%20guy" onmouseover="window.status='good guy'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">good guy</a> and cares about the dogs well being more then a profit), and i will cover the surgery as it is my choice to not have him put down.

Do you include a written and signed garuntee with the dog, or is it just a understanding?? I can not find any paperwork that we recieved about a health garuntee, Just a Vets statement saying the dog was healthy for shipment and a Cert. of Health stating that the dog was free of any diseses and was ok to send out of state.

Yes, the guarantee is in writing as part of my contract.
Your Ty has my best wishes for a successful outcome....that's my youngest boy's name too.

nhsean69 · 09-27-2005, 10:20 AM

Well, the Breeder has refused to do anything but give me a new puppy. I cant seem to make his greedy self understand, that if i wanted another dog, i woudlnt be spending $1500 to save this one. Im only asking for the $810 with is less then paid for the dog. He says he cant afford to take money out of his pocket and had the balls to tell me that "sometimes you just have to suck it up and take the loss" i cant believe how arragant he was, He suggested i crate the dog and send him back to AZ....im in NH.....so his vet can verify my vets results. Cant seem to get it through his head that this dog is Dying and that just isnt possible....ARGH!!!

velobabe · 09-27-2005, 10:30 AM

He is ADORABLE!! I hope all turns out well for you and your lil' angel boy. The breeder sounds like a real S.O.B!!!! Be persistent and hopefully he will do what's right. My thoughts and prayers and with you and your Ty baby.

shecass · 09-27-2005, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nhsean69

Well, the Breeder has refused to do anything but give me a new puppy. I cant seem to make his greedy self understand, that if i wanted another dog, i woudlnt be spending $1500 to save this one. Im only asking for the $810 with is less then paid for the dog. He says he cant afford to take money out of his pocket and had the balls to tell me that "sometimes you just have to suck it up and take the loss" i cant believe how arragant he was, He suggested i crate the dog and send him back to AZ....im in NH.....so his vet can verify my vets results. Cant seem to get it through his head that this dog is Dying and that just isnt possible....ARGH!!!

You would think that he would accept fax documentation from your vet and not subject this poor little guy to anything else. I agre he does sound like an SOB. I'm sorry that you are having such a difficult time with him.

nhsean69 · 09-27-2005, 11:49 AM

I told him point blank we can do it the easy way or the hard way, I design webpages for a part time hobby, ill make sure no one ever has to deal with this guy EVER again.

Update:
Went to visit the lil guy in hospital, so horrible seeing him with a lil shaved leg and a IV in the other leg. He wanted to jump around and play with me so bad, His ears went straight up the second i poked my head in the door, he was so happy to see me! Im happy to say the the Vet Hospital offered to do the Ultrasound for free on him and hopefully it will all come out good.

shecass · 09-27-2005, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nhsean69

I told him point blank we can do it the easy way or the hard way, I design webpages for a part time hobby, ill make sure no one ever has to deal with this guy EVER again.

Update:
Went to visit the lil guy in hospital, so horrible seeing him with a lil shaved leg and a IV in the other leg. He wanted to jump around and play with me so bad, His ears went straight up the second i poked my head in the door, he was so happy to see me! Im happy to say the the Vet Hospital offered to do the Ultrasound for free on him and hopefully it will all come out good.

Sounds like he may be feeling a little better. I hope that you are able to get something satisfactory out of this guy. Good Luck. Hopefully your little one will start feeling better real soon.

So when are they going to do his surgery?

Thanks for keeping us posted.

nhsean69 · 09-28-2005, 09:40 AM

Well, they are unable to find the shunt with a Ultrasound (not to sure what that means as far as where it is), They are prepared to do the surgery tomorrow, but we are gonna hold off until we consult a Local vet here who specializes in Small animal Surgery. Compare the prices and see what they think. Hopefully a couple more days and this will all be done.

Sean

Baron · 09-28-2005, 11:56 AM

The shunts do not always show up in an ultrasound, A scintigraphy usually will show a shunt. If it is a Portosystemic surgery can correct it, if it is MVD it is controlled by diet. The surgery is costly, but the dog does go on to live a normal life after it. I doubt the breeder will do anything about the pups, and will probably continue to breed the pair and keep selling these puppies that will cause heart ache among people who buy them.

09-27-2005, 06:45 AM	#16
Thorsmomma I Love Thor Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,177 Blog Entries: 1	I'm really sorry to hear about your ordeal. I hope your little Ty pulls through with flying colors. I'm glad that your vet provides a credit card care card. That is a great option. I wish you luck in getting all the money from the breeder that you are requesting to reimburse you for the vets bills. Hugs to Ty from Thor! Hannah __________________ Hannah & Thor & Harry The boys on DOGSTER

09-27-2005, 06:59 AM	#17
nhsean69 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 18	Thanks everyone, i will be sure to keep everyone updated on the process. __________________ My Little guy "Ty" http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/att...chmentid=19091

09-27-2005, 07:55 AM	#19
nhsean69 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 18	Thank you for the input, Like i said, im not settling for less then what was paid for the puppy at bare minimum. I would also like the Breeder to take care of the $810 Vet bill (but i am not getting my hopes up, just hoping he is a good guy and cares about the dogs well being more then a profit), and i will cover the surgery as it is my choice to not have him put down. Do you include a written and signed garuntee with the dog, or is it just a understanding?? I can not find any paperwork that we recieved about a health garuntee, Just a Vets statement saying the dog was healthy for shipment and a Cert. of Health stating that the dog was free of any diseses and was ok to send out of state. __________________ My Little guy "Ty" http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/att...chmentid=19091

09-27-2005, 08:06 AM	#20
Kelz YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Yukon, ok Posts: 2,885	I hope lil Ty's surgery goes okay! __________________ Kelly- momma to Parker, Star,Zoe, & Kegan.. RIP Silly Lily OK Yorkie Rescue - http://okyorkierescue.org

09-27-2005, 08:11 AM	#22
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I am sorry your dog is sick. I hope the breeder refunds some money to you. Thats great that your vet has a payment plan. Hopefully he will get better soon. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

09-27-2005, 10:20 AM	#24
nhsean69 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 18	Well, the Breeder has refused to do anything but give me a new puppy. I cant seem to make his greedy self understand, that if i wanted another dog, i woudlnt be spending $1500 to save this one. Im only asking for the $810 with is less then paid for the dog. He says he cant afford to take money out of his pocket and had the balls to tell me that "sometimes you just have to suck it up and take the loss" i cant believe how arragant he was, He suggested i crate the dog and send him back to AZ....im in NH.....so his vet can verify my vets results. Cant seem to get it through his head that this dog is Dying and that just isnt possible....ARGH!!! __________________ My Little guy "Ty" http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/att...chmentid=19091

09-27-2005, 10:30 AM	#25
velobabe Mommy's Lil' Piper Cub Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,333	He is ADORABLE!! I hope all turns out well for you and your lil' angel boy. The breeder sounds like a real S.O.B!!!! Be persistent and hopefully he will do what's right. My thoughts and prayers and with you and your Ty baby. __________________ Tammy & Piper ~Yorkies Are Not Our Whole Life, But They Make Our Lives Whole~

09-27-2005, 11:49 AM	#27
nhsean69 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 18	I told him point blank we can do it the easy way or the hard way, I design webpages for a part time hobby, ill make sure no one ever has to deal with this guy EVER again. Update: Went to visit the lil guy in hospital, so horrible seeing him with a lil shaved leg and a IV in the other leg. He wanted to jump around and play with me so bad, His ears went straight up the second i poked my head in the door, he was so happy to see me! Im happy to say the the Vet Hospital offered to do the Ultrasound for free on him and hopefully it will all come out good. __________________ My Little guy "Ty" http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/att...chmentid=19091

09-28-2005, 09:40 AM	#29
nhsean69 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 18	Well, they are unable to find the shunt with a Ultrasound (not to sure what that means as far as where it is), They are prepared to do the surgery tomorrow, but we are gonna hold off until we consult a Local vet here who specializes in Small animal Surgery. Compare the prices and see what they think. Hopefully a couple more days and this will all be done. Sean __________________ My Little guy "Ty" http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/att...chmentid=19091

09-28-2005, 11:56 AM	#30
Baron Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 216	The shunts do not always show up in an ultrasound, A scintigraphy usually will show a shunt. If it is a Portosystemic surgery can correct it, if it is MVD it is controlled by diet. The surgery is costly, but the dog does go on to live a normal life after it. I doubt the breeder will do anything about the pups, and will probably continue to breed the pair and keep selling these puppies that will cause heart ache among people who buy them.