I don't think they are rare any longer and the price is coming down. But on the other hand if someone spends $4000 on pet, they are not likely to abuse or neglect that pet.

If thats true what about MicheaL Vick? I dont agree with that but I think it is an excuse some breeders use to charge really high amounts

Nancy, I really believe that you truely believe that it is the money, that drives the parti breeders. But I can tell you that, it is not the case with most of the breeders that I know.

Health and temperament come first. Yes we are breeding for the color, but so are show breeders breeding for the blue and tan.

And the same can be said of many show breeders, the only thing that matters to some show breeders is to get that ribbon. They don't care what is going on, on the inside, as long as they meet the standards on the outside.

My goal is to breed healthy, good tempered partis under 7 pounds with a nice coat.

To this day I have gotten 1 golden parti and I certainly did not get rich off of him.

Most of us parti breeders are just getting started so we have not had the time to even get our programs established.

The standard that the YTCA has set, is for the purpose of judging, so the judges have something to go by. That does not mean that any dog that does not meet that standard is not worthy of reproducing. It just means they do not meet the standards set for judging.

We parti breeders are just as passionate about the yorkies as the show breeders. We just do not believe that a natural part of the YT makeup should be bred out of them as long as it does not interfere with the health of the dog.

The YTCA did not create the yorkie, they just set the standard for their club, just as any club sets their own rules, it is their club, they can do what they want.

No it is not an excuse that any breeder that I know uses. I have no idea what Michael Vick paid for his dogs. I have no idea how that even fits into this nice friendly discussion about Biewers and Partis, their difference and their origins.

Your the one that brought it into the discussion when you said that people who pay $4000 are less likely to abuse the dog which I dont agree with. That implies the more money you make the better owner you are which I also dont agree with

It implies nothing of the sort. It implies that people who spend $4000 on a dog are not likely to neglect or abuse the dog. Period. It says nothing about the seller, only the buyer.

Now let use allow this nice friendly discussion about the Biewers and Partis, their differences and their origins to continues in a nice friendly manner.

This has been a very interesting discussion.

I believe the information about the genetics seminar will be posted shortly. I am looking forward to attending it too.

Cindy maybe you can explain how the BTCA is fooling the public.You have never had any contact with Mrs. Biewer and yet you feel that you are entitled to judge her involvement in this breed.I find that extremely amusing coming from somebody, that for years now, is posting all the wisdom about Biewer breeding even so you never bothered to breed one yourself.Not only is Mrs. Biewer a member of the BTCA ,she has shared with the BTCA all the original documentation of past breeding,studbooks ,dogs involved and the direction Mr. Biewer was going to take.None of which you and yours will ever have a glimpse of.To degrade one of the founders of this Breed to a dogwasher really shows the disrespect all of us had to endure from people like you .Why don't you tell people the truth about the personal vendetta you been fueling for years and the misleading direction of the clubs you are supporting.

Ahh come on now , Lets all play nice. I have a question, Who had the DNA testing done on the Parti's? Was it Gloria or someone else? How long did it take? Anyone?

HaHa...I don't breed so I can't have an opinion even if I sit on a Biewer Board...what kind of idiot logic is that. You may breed but how many times have you been in a showring the last 6 years. You were breeding dogs and not one judge had looked at the quality of dogs you had...but you sure had an opinion on what was a show quality dogs. I have the right to my opinion on the Biewers and frankly my dear I really don't care what you have since all you care about is your rush to AKC even if it kills dogs. You say the Biewers protected these dogs...Who then bred all these different dogs that you say make up the Biewer Terrier? Was it done in Germany or here in the U.S.? I will give you guys credit because you do a great job of marketing...but putting the real facts out there...haven't seen it yet.

Oh and I think you just made a big mistake..."she has shared with the BTCA all the original documentation of past breeding,studbooks ,dogs involved and the direction Mr. Biewer was going to take. Since it was his direction and not her's then this tells me she was not the breeder either.

For the record I will always have a problem with breeders that keep their dogs outside in coops, I will always have a problem with someone who bred mixed breed dogs and now is an expert on Biewers, I will always have a problem with someone that says they are rescue when they were not. I will always have a problem when clubs have puppymill members.

Oh and one more thing ... you earn respect by your actions...not your words.

:thumbup: Exactly

I have to say, I don't agree with this. Just because someone is willing to shell out $4000 on a dog doesn't mean the dog will be happy or live a good life. Sure, the dog may be pampered, dressed up and toted around like an accessory if you're paying that kind of money for a dog. But that is NOT a dog's life and the dog will not be fulfilled. The typical pet owners who cannot afford to shell out over $1000 typically make the BEST pet owners in my opinion. My uncle is rich, he will buy his kids anything they want. They asked for a dog, he got a "Bernepoodle" (Bernese mountain dog/poodle) that was REALLY expensive. The dog is totally under exercised, misbehaved, doesn't get to live a "good" life from his perspective even though he's living in 12,000 sq. foot house with an elevator, 3 kids and all of the above. My uncle can easily afford a $4000 dog, but that does NOT make him a "good" dog owner, even though the dog is not technically being neglected or abused. I personally don't think I would ever spend over $800 on a dog.

On the topic at hand, I think Parti's and Biewers are beautiful and I'd love to own a Biewer one day. I think there is nothing wrong with the breed and every dog breed starts somewhere!

Deb, it's my understanding that all of the legwork with DNAing the partis was done by Loryn and Alex. I can double-check this with Loryn, though. But I do not believe that Gloria was not involved in this aspect of it...but I will ask.

Tammy

Tammy can you also ask the actual date time frame? Thanks..:)

It would also be interesting on her take about the Parti's and the Biewers being the same dog...

I have posted my findings on the webpage. You can see it here

BooHoo ...link doesn't work for me.:(

I see that, does YT block web addresses? Ill post it again, if it doesn't work pm me or go to the partiyorkshireterrierclub site under history.

Parti Yorkshire Terrier Club - The Parti History

Weird as it still won't go through but I did go through the backdoor...:p

Thanks and I am glad you got this posted.

Ok, it is posted on my home website , Just click on my website link at the bottom. It will be under Parti history

She said that it took about 18 months and no, Gloria was not involved in that aspect of it.

What actual years?

I have a copy of an AKC letter, written to one of the 2 parties who were responsible for getting the parti's registered. The letter in part reads:

"After conduction research into the breed history and receiving information and photographs of the dogs contained in your dog's pedigree, it was determined that this color can be produced in otherwise normal litters of Yorkshire Terriers. It is the Committees decision to maintain the registration of the involved litters and their individual members."

This letter was dated June 26, 2000. Letter was signed by Jack Norton, special services department.

I guess that means the investigation would have started in early 1999, if it took 18 months.

Actually. my post is incorrect. Gloria did DNA because of her having the sires, dams. grandsires, etc.

Thank you..:)

We are all trying very hard to stay with the standard except for the color. On Our CYTC...Our Mission site. We state that, except for color, we believe in the standard set by the YTCA.

There is a lot of information on that site concerning the parti color. But it is going to take time for breeders to work on their own programs.

The traditional yorkie was not built overnight and the parti won't be either.
It took years for them to get the standard to where it is today.

Deb. Mickey Spillane was the first registered parti colored yorkshire Terrier. He is the "father" to all parti yorkies coming from the Nikko line.

Jennie,

Is that what's on your AKC Pedigree papers ??

My AKC pedigree shows

Nikko's Mickey Spillane
TM83117303 (01-94) BL & TN

Mickey's son
Nikko's Great Expectations
TN63381401 (10-98) BLK & TN PRTI

Mickey 's daughter
Nikko's Golden Charm II was registered as a BLK & TN WH MRKS

I apologize for having to reply to this post - I thought long and hard before hitting the submit button ...

but I don't think it will take a rocket scientist to figure out who you are referring to since you've only owned 1 parti female, so we'll nip this in the bud right here.

There are 2 sides to every story and sometimes, no matter how hard you try to please someone, they are just too difficult to work or reason with. You can't force someone to do something they choose not to do and you can't reason with an unreasonable person.

Up until now Deb, I've never said a negative thing about you to another breeder or yorkie fancier (other than someone who alerted me of problems that they had with you). Unfortunately, I have recentally learned that you've bashed my name and reputation privately, in talking to some colorful yorkie breeders, and now you are publicly trying to intimidate me by posting, everything but my name and address, in a post that is implying that I'm a "disreputable breeder."

Please answer a few questions ...

Why did you not send the pup back for a full refund (including your deposit) if you felt there was something wrong with her after she arrived? You could have returned her for a full refund, even if she had a hangnail.

Why did you not tell me of the problem, until 8 days after she left me?

Why would you not return her for an exchange puppy?

Why, when you told me you loved her and couldn't part with her but were afraid to breed her, and I offered to refund a portion of your money if you decided to spay her in the next 2 year - Why did you decline that offer?

Why, as the reputable breeder that you say your are; a breeder who's saying there is a problem with this dog, why did you advertise her for sale on your website and on puppyfind for $1000.00 more than you paid for her, just 2 months ago?

If it wasn't for another breeder, who had a similar experience with you, giving me the heads up that something like this might happen, months prior to the pup moving to KY, I would not have believed it could happen. It all makes me wonder what's really going on here?

So if you are going to bash my reputation privately among our fellow breeders and now on this not so private forum, please answer the questions above, many are questions that I had asked you before but never got a reasonable or logical answer to.

This is not the place to discuss it, Did I mention any names? You do NOT know how many dogs I have. I did tell you on the phone just a couple of days after I got her, you blew it off that she was cold. YOU did not believe me until i had to send you videos. I do have the emails that you did and did NOT respond to. You told me to take her to a neurologist which you never once offered to help with. . I couldnt respond to you because you wouldnt answer my emails. I no where ever declined the offer of the spay refund, Your right there are 2 sides to every story and Im not going into it all on here.

[QUOTE=Breezeaway;2864881]This is not the place to discuss it, Did I mention any names? You do NOT know how many dogs I have. I did tell you on the phone just a couple of days after I got her, you blew it off that she was cold. YOU did not believe me until i had to send you videos. I do have the emails that you did and did NOT respond to. You told me to take her to a neurologist which you never once offered to help with. . I couldnt respond to you because you wouldnt answer my emails. I no where ever declined the offer of the spay refund, Your right there are 2 sides to every story and Im not going into it all on here.[/QUOTE}

Maybe you shouldn't start battles that you're unwilling to fight.

I have all of our email correspondence posted on a website and I'm happy to share it with you if you need to refresh your memory?