Fussy Puppy

[daisy mae06]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

Okay, I wasn't going to post. I really, really wasn't going to post. But, if you go back to the original threads, several people including me, explained about the lack of socialization your puppy would get by leaving mom/littermates early. I even posted examples from my own experience, not to be mean but to help you understand what you would be getting into. You ignored what was said, and called us mean and uncaring and accused us of causing you stress. Now that people are trying to explain that it will be a bigger struggle (as I had with Ginger) because your puppy missed out on some important developmental experiences, you are calling them mean. I never, ever come on here and say " I told you so", but this is insane.

Please face facts. No one is upset with you that you have this 8 week old puppy, but realize that she'll need extra care and training from you.

This is also a Great post you both say it with class

[Patti]

I got Cali at 9 weeks, before I found YT and I was in my 50's and she was my 3rd yorkie, 4th dog. Unfortunately she has been a sick dog her whole life, I am so happy that your baby has been healthy. What I did with Cali was keep her in a playpen with a pee pad in one end and a bed in the other. She would still wake up during the night so then I would put her in her little crate and put it on my bed so I could sleep. She also went through a really bad stage where she would lunge at me and try and bite my face. I would say No real loud and go away from her. She is now the sweetest of my 3 and not the least bit aggressive. Just remember they do grow up and it is hard in the beginning. It's like having a baby, everyone can tell you how hard it is but until you go through it you can't imagine the work. Just like a baby it is so worth it so hang in there.

[mnewco]

Here is another idea that the breeder of my Samoyed advised me on.

Take up her water by 3 pm and then she will have it all out by bedtime. It worked for me. I took up Apple's food and water at 3. Now that she is older, I can leave them out for longer periods because she sleeps through the night.

If it not a bathroom problem, then like I said, leave her whine for a week. She will get over it. Apple did. The sooner you leave her alone for a whole week uninterupted, the better she will be. Also when you put her to bed. Every night tell her 'night night time'. She will get the hint that she is to sleep and you are not coming down. So she will then sleep all night.

But still you should put pee pads down just in case taking her food and water away during the day is not enough.

[Princessangela3]

Originally Posted by mnewco

Here is another idea that the breeder of my Samoyed advised me on.

Take up her water by 3 pm and then she will have it all out by bedtime. It worked for me. I took up Apple's food and water at 3. Now that she is older, I can leave them out for longer periods because she sleeps through the night.

If it not a bathroom problem, then like I said, leave her whine for a week. She will get over it. Apple did.

I believe that taking water away from a Yorkie puppy isnt really a good idea, especially one so young. Yorkie's dehydrate soooo fast and that is not good on the kidneys from everything I have learned.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by mnewco

Here is another idea that the breeder of my Samoyed advised me on.

Take up her water by 3 pm and then she will have it all out by bedtime. It worked for me. I took up Apple's food and water at 3. Now that she is older, I can leave them out for longer periods because she sleeps through the night.

If it not a bathroom problem, then like I said, leave her whine for a week. She will get over it. Apple did.

I would certainly not recommend withholding food or water from an eight week old puppy.

[rilysmom]

Originally Posted by TOY

Rachel, I'm going to jump right in here and meddle, I think.

I have read your threads from the very beginning and at once even got caught up in the drama. I am in a bit of an observer mode right now so while I am in that mode, I'd like to share a few thoughts with you. You may take them in the spirit in which I am giving them or you may spurn them...regardless, I hope it will give you a bit more insight into those who are responding to you.

I don't know your age but I daresay I am quite a bit older than you...perhaps even old enough to be.....well, I do hope that is stretching it a bit! Your youth is apparent to me in your postings, through what you say, how you say it, and the energy you exert. (You may not understand that until you are in your own middle age years...LOL)

Have you ever talked to someone who never listened? What I mean is a person who is formulating how they are going to respond and what they are going to say before you ever finish your thought? They never really hear what you say because they are too busy already putting up defensive barriers. I fear that you are quite often doing that in your reading and posting.

You have some had some great wisdom shared with you from folks here who have so much experience with dogs and puppies and Yorkies in particular. I feel confident in telling you that because I am not one of those wise ones. I have only had my Yorkie puppy for a few months now and still have so much more to learn.

However, I do a couple of things when I post for advice and help. I learned this quite early in my postings before I bought my Yorkie because one of my first posts included weight of the puppy I hoped to get. I wasn't really seeking information then but boy did I get some "learning." I realized that there was so much I didn't know regardless of my education and degrees. There is such a vast difference in "book learning" and experience. In many instances, experience trumps and in my opinion, raising dogs is one of them.

I learned from my first few "painful" postings that I needed to think and rethink, read and reread before I hit the "submit" button to post especially when I was responding to or reacting to someone else's post. In most instances I remember to do that. Ever so often though, emotion overcomes my intelligence and I spout off before I think it through. Without exception, I always end up regretting it.

You need to step back and take a deep breath and try to read responses to your posts without being so defensive. These people wish you no harm. If it appears to you that they are always on your puppy's side, let me assure you that they are ALWAYS on the side of the puppy. (It reminds me a bit of when I married. My mother told my husband that she wanted him to know that whenever he and I argued, she would be on HIS side. It was meant as a joke but there was an underlying truth to it. What she really meant was she didn't want me running to her with complaints, etc.)

That's a bit where everyone is coming from, I think. They tried to council you and share their experiences but as almost everyone of us has done, you followed your own heart. That point is moot now because it is a "done" deal or as I liked to tell my students, you can't unscramble eggs.

However, you move on from this point. You will find people willing and eager to advise and help you but they will want to do it to help the puppy. They are the puppy's advocate, not yours. They speak for the one who cannot speak for herself...your Sadie. If you stop and think about it, would you want any less from a forum about Yorkies?

Many of these folks rescue abused Yorkies and help authorities close puppy mills and such. When you seek their advice by posting questions choose your words carefully. Regardless of your intent or what you meant to say, when you use words such as "evil" in reference to a Yorkie, you will have opened a floodgate of responses. They don't know you except through your words so you must carefully pose your questions or voice your thoughts.

They are not targeting you in a mean or rude or offensive manner intentionally. However, they are responding to what YOU write. For the most part these are wonderful people who have a genuine real interest in the welfare of your Yorkie, little Sadie. They are human adults though and being such are not perfect. You have to realize that when they offer their "told you so" rhetoric, they are responding much as parents to a child. It's just human nature, I think, to remind people that you did warn them about a potential problem.

Just try to remember that, give them that point much as you would your parents, and move on. If you've ever heard the expression, "Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater," you'll understand what I am suggesting. There is much to be learned and gained from the experience of the wise ones here. Don't fail to listen just because you first have to allow them the "told you so." If you can allow yourself to let down that defensive barrier, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at your interactions on the board.

I have been.

AMEN, SISTER! Very well stated

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

I would certainly not recommend withholding food or water from an eight week old puppy.

Yes, I agree, and remember when you are withholding water you are not allowing the puppy's bladder to naturally grow and stretch, it may not need to pee, simply because it's dehydrated. Joey's breeder recommended free feeding that means having food around 24/7 to avoid hypoglycemia, and I kept water in his kennel at all times too. First think of health, than think of training. As I stated before, one hour for each month of age is maximum they should be made to hold it.

[mnewco]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yes, I agree, and remember when you are withholding water you are not allowing the puppy's bladder to naturally grow and stretch, it may not need to pee, simply because it's dehydrated. Joey's breeder recommended free feeding that means having food around 24/7 to avoid hypoglycemia, and I kept water in his kennel at all times too. First think of health, than think of training. As I stated before, one hour for each month of age is maximum they should be made to hold it.

I don't want to argue about what my breeder advised me because it worked on my Samoyed. She was messing in her kennel during the night months after she stopped and it was because I was feeding her up until 5 pm.

Apple is very healthy. She was able to eat and drink up until 3 and she did a lot of it. It's just like we as humans. If we don't drink a lot. We won't have to go to the bathroom. That is why some people do not eat or drink after 6 pm.

My breeder shows Samoyeds and is quite knowledgeable. You should see all of the Champions on her pedigree. It goes back 5 generations and there are only a handful that are not champions. I am hoping Apple has the same blessing and become a champion.

So the point is I trust my breeder. She has one of the top reputations in the country breeding and raising sammys. Now with my Yorkie she is 2 yrs and I free feed her and water her all day until we go to bed. I do not deprive her.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

is it normal for her to deliberatly bite me, this isn't chewing or nibbling, she's being mean and she's growling and barking at me and i can tell she's being mean not just playing rough...her eyes change and she's evil

what do i do here?

You're joking right?

It sounds to me like you are not ready for the demands of a puppy, perhaps you could return her and get an older dog.

Not everyone is suited to raising puppies.

Puppies are not "mean" any more than a human baby is mean when they bite you. They just have not been taught.

I agree that she was taken from her mother before she learned proper dog ettiquet. Just two week slonger would have mnade a big difference.

During that period of time she also would have been taught that she needs to obey or she will be punished by her mother, which would have made your job a lot easier

Do yourself a favor and return her and get an older dog.

[nacke]

I havent read the whole thread, but the biggest thing that helped us, was putting a blanket over the kennel at night and leaving the room entirely. Macy would fuss for a few mins, then sleep throughout the night. We knew if we heard her fuss after she fell asleep, she needed a potty break. But after a few weeks, she learned to hold it. Hope that helps! I think the increased darkness helped her sleep

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

Our puppy just turned 8 weeks old, she's doing really well with potty training, she still tries to eat my fingers but she's learning not to do that and to chew on toys instead...but we have one problem.

She's a whiner!! She'll go right to sleep in her crate if she's tired, but after her late night potty breaks it takes her a lot longer to stop crying and whining and to go back to sleep. i'll try sleeping on the floor with her until she's out and i put my fingers in there with her, but she still takes forever to lay down and go back to sleep. it drives us crazy listening to her yap and yelp. We're so sleep deprived and exhausted that my DH got a terrrible headache and threw up last night and i'm getting a cold from all the potty breaks outside in the rain. we're just pooped out and wish there was an easier way to teach her not to cry in her crate and just go back to sleep.

Any advice here? Advice about stopping the whining and about the biting on my hands would be great.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by jeaniek

you're joking right?

It sounds to me like you are not ready for the demands of a puppy, perhaps you could return her and get an older dog.

Not everyone is suited to raising puppies.

Puppies are not "mean" any more than a human baby is mean when they bite you. They just have not been taught.

I agree that she was taken from her mother before she learned proper dog ettiquet. Just two week slonger would have mnade a big difference.

During that period of time she also would have been taught that she needs to obey or she will be punished by her mother, which would have made your job a lot easier

do yourself a favor and return her and get an older dog.

absolutely not!! I will not return my puppy just because she's still a baby and learning!!!

[breannalynn]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

I haven't forgotten a thing. I'm alot older than you and I did get up
with a puppy night after night but never came on YT to whine about it.
That's life. Puppies chew on finger's they are not evil their puppies.
I'm not being rude at all only honest. Did you actually think your puppy
would sleep threw the night and not pee or poop in the house? Would not
chew on your finger's daily and whine to be with you at all times?
I'm only responding to those things. I said I would no longer respond
to your threads but this took the cake and here I am.
I apoligize if I came off rude I was only being honest and everyday there
is another post about what seems to be your unhappiness in your new
puppy. It would be nice to see positive posting and your pleasure in
your new puppy. That's my opinion and I'm intitled to it.
Good luck,

Getting a puppy this young has had its consequences. Quit complaining about what you got yourself into and deal with it.

[LilMissy]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

I would certainly not recommend withholding food or water from an eight week old puppy.

ITA!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

I would certainly not recommend withholding food or water from an eight week old puppy.

I totally agree. Please do not withhold food or water from an EIGHT week old puppy.

I don't believe in ever withholding water, and some will not agree. But to me, a dog knows when it is thirsty - and if he/she is thirsty, they should be allowed to drink...they're thirsty bc their body needs water. And if that means they have to pee during the night - I see that as my responsibility, not as an issue of theirs that I need to control/change.

[RachelandSadie]

i don't take her water away it's always out until she's crated up for the night and it's always with her in the xpen if we're not home for awhile. she has a free feed kibble dish always available at this point as well because she knows when she's hungry and i feed her meals three times a day on the raw diet, but she also might be hungry in between those...i don't want her getting hypo or not getting enough nutrition.

she's doing A LOT better. she went right to sleep last night, got woken up by DH when he came home by accident, she cried and we decided this time to let her cry for awhile, we watched a taped show and then she had stopped by the end, i went to her and let her out because she was being good and took her potty again and then we went and lay down and she lay down in her crate on command. she went right to sleep and did her normal potty breaks every 3 hours through the night...so good about that.

this morning we practiced sit and down again, she did both quicker than before and even with daddy there watching her!! GOOD GIRL~

she's still nipping some, i tried the yelping thing and she actually bit me harder and more often when i yelped, that one is out

daddy tells her NO and she stops, i've tried to match his voice and his assertiveness when i say no to her but she ignores me.

i try to walk away and turn my back to her, she just follows and goes for the ankles and eventually goes to her toys and ignores me back...is this one the best practice for her??

should i try the spray bottle next??

Thanks