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coolbar 08-03-2009 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2737259)
what do you mean?
Glaxo Smith Kline are drug manufacturers who produce many of the drugs we are prescribed from our physicians.

I meant what was written, I was not threatening, I was merely stating that it can be classed as libel to slander a name. Some of these companies would take it seriously.

yorkiepuppie 08-03-2009 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by coolbar (Post 2737277)
Glaxo Smith Kline are drug manufacturers who produce many of the drugs we are prescribed from our physicians.

I meant what was written, I was not threatening, I was merely stating that it can be classed as libel to slander a name. Some of these companies would take it seriously.
i didn't mean you were threatening. i just meant i don't see why this would be slander or anything like that since it's just a fact. right? the post is providing a list of companies that do animal testing. if it's a fact why would it be considered slander? (unless if it wasn't true)

Yorkiedaze 08-03-2009 09:54 AM
Avon doesn't do animal testing. Animal Testing - Avon Corporate Responsibility
Have you checked into each and every one of these companies before posting?

coolbar 08-03-2009 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2737282)
i didn't mean you were threatening. i just meant i don't see why this would be slander or anything like that since it's just a fact. right? the post is providing a list of companies that do animal testing. if it's a fact why would it be considered slander? (unless if it wasn't true)
The top of the post says "Companies to boycott"
If someone wrote that about me it would be libel

yorkiepuppie 08-03-2009 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by coolbar (Post 2737300)
The top of the post says "Companies to boycott"
If someone wrote that about me it would be libel
Libel - Defamatory statement about a person that is published and thereby exposes that person to public ridicule. Libelous statements are not the same as slanderous statements. Libelous statements are printed, malicious (i.e., printed without just cause), and may be true; however, slanderous statements are spoken, not printed, and are not true. A lawsuit charging a publisher or advertiser with libel may be lost if it can be proven that the allegedly libeled individual is a celebrity (in the public eye) and that the statement in question was published because of its newsworthiness, not because of malicious intent on the part of the publisher or advertiser.

so I found a definition online for 'libel' and obviously this is just one of the definitions. but anyways, the post is not defamatory, or malicious. to me it's more like a simple fact.

coolbar 08-03-2009 10:14 AM
I am well aware of the dictionary definition of Libel and Slander.
Anyway, I have posted what I wanted about the drug companies and did not mean to get sidetracked to this.
My last post on the subject.

yorkiepuppie 08-03-2009 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by coolbar (Post 2737205)
That's me done, anyone else got a view ?
i actually started posting in this thread because you asked for other points of view...

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Originally Posted by coolbar (Post 2737241)
To print names as has been done can be Classed as libel, be careful, the net isn't as anonymous as you think.
By all means post the links.
i didn't understand your post here and asked you to clarify, and didn't know what you meant about posting the links?

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Originally Posted by coolbar (Post 2737328)
I am well aware of the dictionary definition of Libel and Slander.
Anyway, I have posted what I wanted about the drug companies and did not mean to get sidetracked to this.
My last post on the subject.
so you are still not making any sense to me. sorry. but i thought we were having a discussion and that you were the one who welcomed it and asked for others input...

coolbar 08-03-2009 10:36 AM
I meant views on the drugs
Not on law

yorkiepuppie 08-03-2009 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2737258)
i think you are more talking about life saving medicines, and the OP looks like it's more focused on cosmetics, shampoos, soaps, things that are not life saving medicines.

i don't see the need for animal testing on the type of products the OP is talking about, what kind of new cheap chemicals are they trying to add into these type of products that would require them to test it on animals? probably things you dont' want anywhere near your body anyways.
i DID post my view regarding the topic. (see above post)

i don't think this list (from the OP) was about drugs, like i mentioned in my previous post. that was my whole point, that the list looks more like it's talking about cosmetics, soaps, laundry detergent...etc.

coolbar 08-03-2009 10:48 AM
So why is a major drug manufacturer on the list then?
All it said was companies to boycott.

coolbar 08-03-2009 10:53 AM
Yorkiedaze also posted about Avon being a clean company, why are they on that list ?

Wylie's Mom 08-03-2009 11:16 AM
Thanks for posting this, DooiesMom :). I think it's such a positive practice to avoid animal testing whenever it is possible....and whenever animal testing is no longer necessary for a product. It goes beyond cruel when products that no longer need to be tested still are nonetheless.

yorkiepuppie 08-03-2009 11:51 AM
coolbar, are you arguing with me? i am very confused by the sporadic way that you are discussing the topic.

the list from the OP is probably not a perfect list. looks like some companies (avon) have realized that it's not a good idea to continue with the practice of animal testing. i am sure we can help the OP update the list if there are any other companies that have decided to stop animal testing. i would LOVE to see this list shrink.

i am very happy that the OP took the initiative to post this thread. i am really confused by people who are offended by it.

coolbar 08-03-2009 12:01 PM
If it is about cosmetics, then I agree with you all, but some of these companies do animal testing for more purposes than that.
The first post that I replied to just stated boycott these companies, if the thread was supposed to be about beauty treatments I would not have written about the good work that comes from animal testing that some of these companies do.
Now we are clear on that, I will in my own words say that I do not disagree with animal testing for medical purposes.
I am not trying to argue, just trying to make it clear that good things come from this that benefits us all.

coolbar 08-03-2009 12:04 PM
Perhaps that list should be revised and updated and made clear what each company does, it is all a bit random to just say a name.


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