Couple Questions about shots and shampoo
 

Hey everyone,

I've got a few concerns and questions today. Please help me figure this out a little better. Thanks

1. vaccinations-i've read the vacine sticky, but the links for those all seem to have California as the main base for the liklihood of the diseases.

I live in Missouri, we are super prone to ticks and lyme disease, so would you recommend the lyme disease shots for someone in our area?


*Corona
*Leptospirosis
*Lyme
*Bordatella
*Giardia
*Parainfluenza

(are these good or bad to get, the sticky says non necessary, but for making my pup avoid sickness should i get them or not?)

2. shampoos for puppies, would it be okay to go ahead and use oatmeal shampoo on her instead of the tear less puppy shampoo as long as i'm extra careful around her face with the sprayer??


Thanks for the help guys,

I think you would be fine using the oatmeal shampoo on her body, but you will need something to wash around her head and face with (puppies like to get into lots of fun things ;)). A lot of people just use something like Johnson & Johnson baby shampoo for this - don't use it on her whole body though because the ph isn't right for dogs. Or, it might be easier to just get the tearless puppy shampoo and only have one thing to apply during her baths.

It depends on what diseases are prevalent in your area. If lyme was a problem in my area I would get it. Most people on here say not to get the lepto but my vet insists because there are cases of it here and the disease is vey severe if they get it. I get the bordatello because its required if you have them groomed plus I dont want them to get kennel cough from neighborhood dogs that run by our fence. Your vet is the best one to advise you on what shots you need. I think using the oatmeal shampoo would be fine as long as your careful around the face

Dr. Jean Dodd's vaccine protocol has been adopted by the majority of vet schools and is a good one to follow:

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

Yorkies can have fatal reactions to the lepto vaccine. Most of us do not get the lepto vaccination. In fact, many breeders put a clause in their contract that lepto is not to be given.

More and more studies show that over vaccinating our pets does more harm that good, so "less is more" when it comes to vaccines.

Missouri seems to be an "odd" state for rabies requirements. Rather than being state law as it is in most states, it is determined by local animal control ordinances. You will have to check with your vet to see when Sadie will need her first rabies shot.

I know you've been told this before, but just to remind you again, Sadie will not be protected from deadly puppy diseases like parvo until she has had all her shots plus two weeks for full immunity. As the last set of shots should be given between 16-18 weeks, 20 weeks is a good estimate. Until then, no grooming salons, dog parks, don't walk her in common areas in neighborhoods or apartment complexes, don't let her down on the floor of your vet's office, etc.

no problem thanks!! i think our city law states that a dog must have a rabies vacination and be registered by 4 months of age? is that normal age for a puppy to get that shot?

i'll link the website to our city stuff. Liberty, MO animal laws

what is lepto???
 

i have no idea what lepto is, what it's for, or what disease it's supposed to fix, i've seen that some breeders have clauses about not getting that one, do you have anymore info on that vaccine and what is does/is for?

i found this, but i want the other side's opinion on why not to use it too
 

lepto link FOR using the vaccine


I need someone to post something with the reason NOT to use it.

I believe that toy breeds are more susceptible to allergic reactions to any vaccines with the Lepto vaccine being the biggest culprit.

Here's one link with a little info, if I find anything better, I'll post it.

Mine got their rabies at 4 mos and I think that is pretty common. By the way mine are going on 5 and have never had a reaction to a lepto shot. I know there are others on here that get it also

Some reasons not to give it:
Breeders have siad that they have seen it kill Yorkie pups.
It can be immunosuppressive, especially if given too early.
Most cases of lepto can be treated if caught in time.
It can be passed to humans (one major reason why vets say to give it), however, humans can also get it from other sources, so vaccinating the dog doesn't mean you can't get it.
The reaction rate tends to be quite high, especially in small breeds.
It has to be given every nine to twelve months (way too often) to be effective.
It does not cover against all strains and you may even need to give two vaccines with different strains to cover all of the most active ones.

That said, I am in no way saying that somebody should not give it.
This is a very difficult decision that requires a lot of research and a good relationship with your vet. I would say that it should not be given to a Yorkie less than maybe 16 weeks or so. I also would never again give it in a combo shot. I would use the single.

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To the original poster, the vaccines you listed aren't necessarily not necessary. They are just non core. That means not all dogs need them and the benefits have to be weighed against the risks. Also remember that infection and disease are different. Dogs can be infected with lyme's disease and even have a positive test but that doesn't mean they actually have the disease. In some states infection may be common while disease may not be. if that makes sense. I'd have to have a very good case presented to give my dog this vaccine.

Excellent, balanced and informative post.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

thanks for the help, keep it comin'
 

thanks, i'll just have to really talk with the vet about it and make sure i understand all the risk and warning signs, i think the thing i looked at last night did list the lepto, but i'd have to check and he might not give it to all dogs, it was a general puppy health plan.

i did talk to a vet last night, he has been out of school since 1997. he worked in S.C. for awhile and then Kearny, MO for awhile as well. he grad. from K state, which is a great university in animal sciences and med. my hubby and I felt very comfortable with him, he was quick to answer questions and he said that at all times i would know what he would like to do with/for our pet BEFORE he ever does anything, which is what i wanted, i want to know everything so I can make the choices not just simply trust a person and find out they did something that A) costs a lot of money and wasn't needed B) did something that will hurt my baby without me knowing what they did.

so yea we're very happy with him, and i'm just trying to learn more and more everyday and be on top of my question and research game!

excellent info thank you so much! i'll keep doing my homework, and ask more info from the vet about the cases in our area, and whether the good really does outweigh the risk in our case, it's weird having to think about diseases for a dog, before wanting Sadie, i would have never even thought about vets and shots, i guess i just thought you had a pet and that was it, i'm sure my dad took our golden retriever "Ruger" to the vet now and then, but i was too little when she was a puppy to remember what for.

i'm glad to have such wonderful help.

That is good that you have a vet that you can talk to and will listen to your concerns. Theres 2 vets at the center we go to and they are there untill 7 on the weekdays so I like that. Also a good thing to have handy is a number of an emergency vet in case you ever need it

we have like 3-5 er vet clinics in Liberty, we're VERY fortunate to have such a great area to raise our girl...i will make sure i have those numbers at all times and this vets call number if he's got one.

:D having a much better day today :D

Thanks soo soo much for the help we all appreciate you guys so much!!!

Our vet gave Sophie a lepto vaccine during her first round of shots but she became so lethargic that he opted out of continuing with a second. Had I read this forum first I probably would not have followed his advise. When we got Hazel he didn't advise it.:aimeeyork:aimeeyork

Is lepto the only one to be concerned about???
 

Is lepto the only one i should worry about, are there others that give bad reactions to lots of yorkies?

I'm so glad your Sophie didn't get a second shot. It's very unusual for them to have a reaction to the first lepto vaccination. Their body has to be exposed to the vaccine first to develop the antibodies that trigger the allergic reaction. It's usually the second or even third shot that causes the reaction. That's what makes it so scary. Owners can mistakenly think their Yorkie has no problem with lepto, only to have a serious reaction to a booster later on.

Rachel, it's always a good idea to plan to wait at your vet's office for about a half hour after the vaccinations to make sure there is no allergic reaction.

Corona is another one that can cause a deadly reaction.

If you look at Dr. Dodd's protocol, neither lepto or corona are included in her recommendation.

The only one that one of mine ever had a reaction to was the bordatello and only the first one after that she was fine

great advice, i will make sure to do that!!

corona
 

okay, what is the corona one? what is it for? and why/why not getting it??



There's so much to this health thing for pups, i'm really glad that i'm getting a puppy first rather than trying to have a baby right now, i bet those are WAY harder to learn about, all the stuff that i'd be reading and having to understand about a human baby would probably drive me crazy, but someday i will ;)

Please read this entire web page. It isn't even that long. Vaccination Schedule Recommendations For Dogs

I DO NOT suggest vaccinating for lyme. Here's the thing. I volunteer at a vet clinic and there is a doctor that orders unnecessary tests according to all the techs and a lot of people get frustrated with him. But, he bought the clinic from the other doctor so no one can do anything. Anyways, even he continually tried to convince a person NOT to get the lyme vaccine. It isn't worth it from what I've read.

I get rabies, distemper, and parvo all weeks apart. At one year. I'm not vaccinating him again until he is 5 years old. I love him too much to risk his life giving him pointless vaccines that can cause diseases and life threatening situations.

thanks
 

cool, good info the have on hand, thanks!!

I wouldn't give any of those vaccines you listed. I thought you listed all the vaccines. I would get distemper ALONE, not with the 5 in 1 or 3 in 1. A few weeks apart from all rabies and parvo. That's all you need. But if you want to stress out your puppy and throw a million diseases in her and risk her life then get all those vaccines.

Doesnt your state require a yearly rabies shot? Ours does

Mine, too.

Jackson, who is even a bigger Yorkie, and was a little over 6 pounds when he got the Lepto shot at 12 weeks old had a major reaction to Lepto. Never again will I get it. I never want to see him like that again! He lost control of his back legs, he was throwing up, he was shaking like never before. It was terrible.

If Lyme disease is a threat in your area it is better to give. We do have a lot of cases of lyme disease here in my area, but the PROTOCOL to give the shot may be what makes the whole difference. Most vets i know around here do not recommend the lyme vaccine until the puppy is at least 8 months if it is a small breed /toy breed. Specially in the homes located near the woods where we have Deer, they definitely recommend it and we do not see many reactions to this vaccine. Also most vets around here have been more cautious with all the vaccines, making sure not to overload a tiny puppy with multiple shots at the same time or too closed together. All goes with good sense and education. It is not worthy to try to save a buck avoiding an extra vet visit and take the chance to do too many shots at once. Besides, until the puppy is fully vaccinated it is the owner's responsibility to keep the puppy away from contaminated areas as much as possible.
Lepto is not recommended in our area except for the farm homes or areas where the local vets had reports of cases.
Gyardia vaccine is not really effective and it is not being recommended around here ...
I ALWAYS recommend our new puppy owners to find LOCAL vet who is on top of what is going on around them. A Great vet who will take the time to answer your questions, educate you about the "adventure" of being a new puppy owner and safety, that is the vet you want to have and trust. A good vet will not recommend you to give unnecessary shots just to make a few extra dollars, and i mean ... just a very few... so your best bet is to find a good vet near your primary home, and ask your questions of course, but also trust your vet as he must have your best interest in mind, and that includes your family health as well your puppy well being. Of course as with everything in life there will be oblivious vets, bad ones... but with a little bit of research you will find one you will feel comfortable with.
XOXO

kennel cough
 

bordatella=kennel cough right????