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Chance 07-12-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jemma (Post 2707591)
Whoaaaaa, slow down. Your puppy is small. I got Jemma at 9 weeks and she was 2 pounds. She is done growing now at 8 months and weighs a big 4 pounds.
When you say you wanted small, how small are you talking 1 1/2 pounds? First off that's not likely to happen. Second, you don't want it to happen. Smaller pups can have a host more of medical problems.
Thirdly, there can be no gurantee on size. A breeder can only hope that her breeding small ones will produce what she wants. But you never know. Breeding isn't always a sure thing as to the outcome. Maybe one of the dogs in the line was bigger and this pup pulled that gene. This breeder isn't going to know that when it's born. You might even getting criticized for buying over the internet. I'm not going to judge you on that. But you took the chance, know what I mean? There are no guarantees on dogs except for maybe genetic defects or hereditary problems. Did she give you a health guarantee on the pup? For how long? You may not believe this but if the pup is health and only weighs a little over 2 pounds and is registered AKC, you didn't do so bad. I don't like the fact that there was a scratch out on the weight. But truth is? You've got a small pup. That is not big at 5 months. Are the parents registered AKC?

I agree with Jemma. The problems that come with tiny Yorkies is a far greater expense than 1300.00 dollars. Some have to go to a dentist just
to remove their baby teeth. Some have MVD, HE which are liver diseases,
Some have Liver Shunts that may or may not be fixed. I thought I wanted
a tiny Yorkie, until I did research and talked to friends. You might have needed to do some. Just love the puppy, I am sure your size doesn't matter to him/her. Plus I have heard awful stories about shipped puppies and dogs. You may not realize it yet, but you got lucky. As long as the
puppy is healthy just love it.

fadeddenim 07-12-2009 02:43 PM

2 pounds at 5 months is really small for a yorkie. I got my Kingston at 10 weeks old and he weighed 2 pounds. i predicted his size to be around 5 pounds. he's now almost 8 months old and weighs 3.5 pounds.

trust me...you don't want a dog thats 2 pounds full grown. you'll be constantly worrying about them getting hurt. i have to keep looking where i step, cause one wrong move and your yorkie might end up at the vet. they also like to jump from high places and that freaks me out even more.

i think 4 pounds is the smallest i would consider.

yorkie_mama22 07-12-2009 09:20 PM

Theres always two sides to a story. The OP tells us their side of the story, but how do we know to call this person a broker, puppymill or anything YET if we don't know for sure, maybe the previous owner THOUGHT the puppy may weigh less, I know my scale is off a pound or two. I don't know, I think that yes the OP has a chance to get her money back IF what we know is the total truth, but again you need to take some responibility as well

JoshieBoy 07-12-2009 11:40 PM

Buying a puppy can be a lot of fun. Sometimes we get so excited about adopting a new puppy that we forget to ask the breeder some specific questions pertaining to the dog or get important information documented in the written guarantee. I agree with pookiebear. If the weight was guaranteed in the contract, then more than likely you will win in a civil suit. I understand why you are upset. You paid more for the Yorkie, because you wanted a very small Yorkie. You think the breeder lied about the puppy's weight to get you to buy the dog. I would be upset if that happen to me. Breeders can only estimate a dog's weight as an adult dog. I do not understand why a breeder would guarantee a dog's weight at maturity. Try to look on the bright side; you got a healthy and cute puppy. I bet a lot of us on this forum, including me, overpaid for our dogs. My breeder made Josh sound like a champion stud. The breeder even told me I got Josh at a discount price. LOL After joining this forum, I learned how much Yorkies should cost based on how they meet the breed's standards. Next time I will research the market before buying a dog, and then I will know when I got a good price on a dog. Money is not everything. I am happy to have a healthy, affectionate, playful, and cute dog. Hey, Josh is a champion stud in my heart. I know you love your dog, and I understand your frustration. If the breeder wrote the puppy's weight was 1lb and 10 oz at 19 weeks, then I hope you win your case. I wish you and your puppy the best. We all learn from our experiences, I know I did. :)

QuickSilver 07-12-2009 11:51 PM

Yes, if it's any consolation, I grossly overpaid for Thor. :) But it was still worth it. I agree that you may end up happy with a larger dog. Thor is 4 lbs, and while it's great to be able to carry him around in a purse wherever I go, I wish for his sake he were at least twice as big. The world is a dangerous place when you are that small.

Off-topic, I was walking a lab the other day, and I accidentally stepped on his paw. We all know how a yorkie would squeak after an mis-step like that. This lab didn't even blink! Size has its benefits.

Bulasan 07-13-2009 12:56 AM

PLease consider that a healthy puppy is what is most important. With yorkies, Americans have becoe extreme with size and that has caused major health issues and unsafe breeding practices. Don't be a part of this by encouraging breeders to create samller and smaller dogs with so many health issues, unable to enjoy a happy quality of life due to teeth, bone, and internal organ issues. Instead, promote healthy breeding and reasonable sizes for yorkies and all dogs. "Cute" should never be the factor; some 15 lb. yorkies are just as adorable and far more able to enjoy all the experiences a dog's life can offer. Please think about your motivations for getting a yorkie.

myyorkshireters 07-13-2009 01:50 AM

Re re puppie
 
What ever age size the yorkie is it should still be loved.Like the other yorkies loves said if yoy dont want it because of its size then sell it ti someone who will love it.

Jemma 07-13-2009 02:43 AM

Why hasn't the original poster come back??

JoshieBoy 07-13-2009 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshieBoy (Post 2709940)
Buying a puppy can be a lot of fun. Sometimes we get so excited about adopting a new puppy that we forget to ask the breeder some specific questions pertaining to the dog or get important information documented in the written guarantee. I agree with pookiebear. If the weight was guaranteed in the contract, then more than likely you will win in a civil suit. I understand why you are upset. You paid more for the Yorkie, because you wanted a very small Yorkie. You think the breeder lied about the puppy's weight to get you to buy the dog. I would be upset if that happen to me. Breeders can only estimate a dog's weight as an adult dog. I do not understand why a breeder would guarantee a dog's weight at maturity. Try to look on the bright side; you got a healthy and cute puppy. I bet a lot of us on this forum, including me, overpaid for our dogs. My breeder made Josh sound like a champion stud. The breeder even told me I got Josh at a discount price. LOL After joining this forum, I learned how much Yorkies should cost based on how they meet the breed's standards. Next time I will research the market before buying a dog, and then I will know when I got a good price on a dog. Money is not everything. I am happy to have a healthy, affectionate, playful, and cute dog. Hey, Josh is a champion stud in my heart. I know you love your dog, and I understand your frustration. If the breeder wrote the puppy's weight was 1lb and 10 oz at 19 weeks, then I hope you win your case. I wish you and your puppy the best. We all learn from our experiences, I know I did. :)

Hi! I am sorry that you overpaid for the dog. Many people on this forum overpaid for their dog, including me. Yorkies are expensive. Sadly, some breeders mark up the price of their dogs to capitalize on Yorkies being an expensive breed to adopt, especially on the smaller Yorkies. We just have to learn how to determine the fair market value for the dog we want to adopt to avoid being swindled out of our hard-earned money. All Yorkies are beautiful and priceless. I just believe that the dogs that meet the breed's standard and are healthy should cost more than the dogs that don't. It is not the dog's fault that the breeder inflated the price of the dog. There has to be some other qualities besides weight that made you like the dog. I would focus on those other qualities that made you love the dog than focusing on his weight. The dog loves you and depends on you to take care of him. If you got no written guarantee about the size of the dog, then I do not think you have much legal recourse. I hope the best for you and your dog. If you have no legal recourse and only desire a tiny Yorkie, then maybe it is best to rehome the dog. I think the health and temperament of the dog is more important than weight. I do not want you to give up on your dog. There is beauty in everything if you look for it.
I hope the OP comes back. We all love dogs, I just want to help. I hope the puppy and owner are having a wonderful day. I hope the situations works out in a manner that is good for the dog and the owner. :)

hugz4all4 07-13-2009 06:11 AM

Im sorry but I have to agree with what some have already said. Im sorry that you feel that you were lied too, but honestly wanting a 2 pound dog and being upset because the dog is bigger than that is just wrong.:( Why would you want a dog that small? Do you relize that something simply falling off your counter can land on and kill a dog that small or stepping on her/him on accident can kill a dog that small? Ive seen it on this board with a "normal" size yorkie pup. I have a 4 pound toy poodle that I worry about constantly because of her size and I have a 9 pound yorkie mix that was "suppose" to only be 4 pounds that I dont worry nearly as much about because he is bigger and more sturdy. Not to mention all the health problems that can occur with a dog that small especially if it came from a broker/puppymill. I really hope that you do some more research on the breed and read this board, there is a ton of great info. I wish you lots of luck with your new pup and welcome to yt :).

hugz4all4 07-13-2009 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bulasan (Post 2709962)
PLease consider that a healthy puppy is what is most important. With yorkies, Americans have becoe extreme with size and that has caused major health issues and unsafe breeding practices. Don't be a part of this by encouraging breeders to create samller and smaller dogs with so many health issues, unable to enjoy a happy quality of life due to teeth, bone, and internal organ issues. Instead, promote healthy breeding and reasonable sizes for yorkies and all dogs. "Cute" should never be the factor; some 15 lb. yorkies are just as adorable and far more able to enjoy all the experiences a dog's life can offer. Please think about your motivations for getting a yorkie.

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julietimothy 07-13-2009 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lolapup (Post 2708249)
Yes, you may have been duped a bit by her giving you the b.s weight guarantee but you should have known that wasn't possible in the first place. The price was great either way and you have to take your share of the responsibility here. You didn't do your research and you got bent. Lesson learned. (hopefully)

I really hope you don't take this out on the pup and that you can love her and take care of her forever. If not, please rehome her, she doesn't deserve anything but the best!


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I guess I'm a little shocked. Considering the OP has 3 other yorkies, I would think she would know that there is no such thing as a "teacup" just as there is no guarantee of size.

If she has three other very small yorkies is she wanted to breed 2 lbs dogs?? That is crazy. I would love to know if she breeds the ones she has and there sizes.

julietimothy 07-13-2009 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hugz4all4 (Post 2710116)
Im sorry but I have to agree with what some have already said. Im sorry that you feel that you were lied too, but honestly wanting a 2 pound dog and being upset because the dog is bigger than that is just wrong.:( Why would you want a dog that small? Do you relize that something simply falling off your counter can land on and kill a dog that small or stepping on her/him on accident can kill a dog that small? Ive seen it on this board with a "normal" size yorkie pup. I have a 4 pound toy poodle that I worry about constantly because of her size and I have a 9 pound yorkie mix that was "suppose" to only be 4 pounds that I dont worry nearly as much about because he is bigger and more sturdy. Not to mention all the health problems that can occur with a dog that small especially if it came from a broker/puppymill. I really hope that you do some more research on the breed and read this board, there is a ton of great info. I wish you lots of luck with your new pup and welcome to yt :).


She need to go and search what I wrote about Keylee. She is a 1 1/2 lbs full grown Yorkie. I think of her as a dwarf. I raised her, her mom was 7.5 lbs and dad 4 lbs. Never breed to have one this size and I hope it never happens again. She was too small to ever trust anyone with. She has to eat many small meal a day and be feed Nur-cal. Because if she don't eat good her sugar will bottom out. (They can died from this) if you work or go to school all day you would come home to a died dog. For what I have learned 1st hand anything smaller than 3lbs is to small. 4 lbs is a great size, still small but you would have to deal with the sugar thing. But my #1 dog is 7 lbs Barbie is my life and she sleep with me everynight. Keylee is too small to sleep with me, I could lie on her, or she could try to jump off the bed. I just wish people would stop looking for these tiny tiny babies. oh and about the price of smallers being more, I can see that, because there is no with enough $$$$$$ to make me trust them with Keylee. LOL And yes I had a lady offer me $5000 for her and I said no. The only way I would ever place Keylee is if something happens to me and I can't take care of her the way she needs. Go look at Keylee's pictures, she is 1lb 10 oz if she has ate really good she is almost 2lbs. Most people do not readly know what a 2lb dog looks like, because people lie about size so much. It is a fact that alot of breeders lie about size, I can look at there dogs and tell it is not a 2 or 3 lbs dog. More like 5 or 6 lbs.

FlDebra 07-16-2009 05:14 AM

Outlaw internet puppy sales!
 
I still wish we could outlaw internet puppy sales and all of the brokers/third party sales (which includes pet shops). If everyone got their puppy in person from the breeder that raised them and witnessed their living conditions, saw the puppies first hand before paying, so MANY, MANY problems would be solved! Probabaly never happen now. :( I do think the internet has been a huge boon to puppymills and unscrupulous breeders. I can see using a website to get the word out/advertise and then still do business face to face. But all of these sites that let you buy the puppy online with a credit card and a click of the button......:thumbdown:thumbdown One I saw even had the shopping cart! :thumbdown:thumbdown

jeanm1963 07-16-2009 05:29 AM

It seems like we read this same thing over and over and over again....so my question is Why did you want a tiny tiny dog??? My Laci is 4 .8 pounds and she is sooooo tiny to me, honestly I wish she were bigger for her sake and mine... Its scary when they are so tiny.... You will love him no matter what size he is I promise!


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