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jencar98 06-09-2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2661430)
Parti, chocolate and golden, colors are all a result of the same thing ... recessive genes. They're not an anomaly; it's just simple genetics.
Anomaly, I would think is actually the correct word, as these colors do deviate from the common type or are inconsistent with the usual coloring.

To the OP, BamaFan121s (Misty) has given you the best answer to your question.

Pinehaven 06-09-2009 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2661500)
Anomaly, I would think is actually the correct word, as these colors do deviate from the common type or are inconsistent with the usual coloring.

To the OP, BamaFan121s (Misty) has given you the best answer to your question.
Maybe anomaly is the correct term but why have I never heard of a black coated, light blue coated, running gold or red/gold pointed yorkie referred to as an "anomaly"? Many reputable breeders own and use off colors in their breeding programs (colors other than steel blue and tan) like dogs with black coats or gold/red points.

So why is one off color considered an anomaly and another off color not an anomaly?

Why is one color anomaly accepted and another color anomaly chastised?

BamaFan121s 06-09-2009 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2661711)
Maybe anomaly is the correct term but why have I never heard of a black coated, light blue coated, running gold or red/gold pointed yorkie referred to as an "anomaly"? Many reputable breeders own and use off colors in their breeding programs (colors other than steel blue and tan) like dogs with black coats or gold/red points.

So why is one off color considered an anomaly and another off color not an anomaly?

Why is one color anomaly accepted and another color anomaly chastised?
Does it really matter? "Anomaly" is simply the word that one person used to describe them....nothing more. Would it have been more politically correct to refer to them simply as non-standard? It's just a word--accurately used by definition for pete's sake. :rolleyes:

Brooklynn 06-09-2009 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2661711)
Maybe anomaly is the correct term but why have I never heard of a black coated, light blue coated, running gold or red/gold pointed yorkie referred to as an "anomaly"? Many reputable breeders own and use off colors in their breeding programs (colors other than steel blue and tan) like dogs with black coats or gold/red points.

So why is one off color considered an anomaly and another off color not an anomaly?

Why is one color anomaly accepted and another color anomaly chastised?
Maybe they aren't called "anomaly" because AKC does recognize black and tan, blue and gold, blue and tan and black and tan and doesn't recognize Golden or chocolate and reputable breeders aren't calling black and tan "rare" :)

Donna

Pinehaven 06-09-2009 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2661795)
Does it really matter? "Anomaly" is simply the word that one person used to describe them....nothing more. Would it have been more politically correct to refer to them simply as non-standard? It's just a word--accurately used by definition for pete's sake. :rolleyes:
Ok, so why is one "non standard" color accepted and other "non standard" colors chastised? :scratchhe

Pinehaven 06-09-2009 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2661801)
Maybe they aren't called "anomaly" because AKC does recognize black and tan, blue and gold, blue and tan and black and tan and doesn't recognize Golden or chocolate and reputable breeders aren't calling black and tan "rare" :)

Donna
AKC also recgonizes parti, chocolate and golden, otherwise they wouldn't register them. It's the YTCA who doesn't recgonize parti, chocolate or golden. The YTCA only recgonizes tan and steel blue yorkies as the standard adult color, anything other than tan and steel blue is considered off color according to their new disqualification rule. So why aren't all off colors (other than steel blue and tan) treated equally?

BamaFan121s 06-09-2009 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2661802)
Ok, so why is one "non standard" color accepted and other "non standard" colors chastised? :scratchhe
The way I see it, there is quite a difference, as we have discussed several times before.

Until recently, black/gold WAS recognized by AKC and allowed into the ring. The specifics you have mentioned...the running gold, the darker points, etc (in addition to many other "anomalies") can be produced in trying to achieve the standard. In contrast, they can also be used in breeding to produce the standard.

However, in regards to partis, goldens, chocolates, something other than the standard is purposely being bred and reproduced.

Either dogs meet the standard, or they don't...not a lot of room for gray areas. I guess the difference is...why they don't meet the standard. Because they were purposely bred that way, or not?

Brooklynn 06-09-2009 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2661816)
AKC also recgonizes parti, chocolate and golden, otherwise they wouldn't register them. It's the YTCA who doesn't recgonize parti, chocolate or golden. The YTCA only recgonizes tan and steel blue yorkies as the standard adult color, anything other than tan and steel blue is considered off color according to their new disqualification rule. So why aren't all off colors (other than steel blue and tan) treated equally?
yes you can register them but you have to find the link on the AKC website to do that. Because dark steel blue is the standard and the YTCA does not classify dark steel blue as "rare" as they do with chocolate and golden yorkies.
In order to show in conformation a yorkie has to follow the standard set by the YTCA and the other colors do not fit that standard. They aren't treated any differently they are considered pet quality and should not be bred if you are going to breed to the standard. I have black, I have silver yorkies but they aren't bred because they do not fit the standard and are considered pet quality. I guess if you don't show you are not going to understand that we have to follow what is set forth by the YTCA or take a chance and get that DQ. I think all yorkies are pretty whether they are black, parti, brown ect....but I do show so therefore I will follow what is set forth by the YTCA :)

jencar98 06-09-2009 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2661711)
So why is one off color considered an anomaly and another off color not an anomaly?

Why is one color anomaly accepted and another color anomaly chastised?

IDK for certain, since I didn't make up the standard, but my guess would be that slight variations of tan and blue are just that, slight variations. Whereas chocolate, gold and parti colors are very obvious deviations from the the YTCA accepted colors and shouldn't be bred according to their guidelines.

tnurse 06-09-2009 05:30 PM
I have a chocolate yorkie. I just fell in love as soon as I saw him, I think they are absolutely beautiful. Part of what interested me most was that he looks like a yorkie, but still looks different than most yorkies. I don't care that his coloring is a fault or an anomaly or whatever. He is AKC registered. He is such a sweet puppy. I will not be breeding him, as soon as he gets big enough I am getting him spayed. If you would like to see a picture, he is in my album.

BamaFan121s 06-09-2009 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tnurse (Post 2661856)
If you would like to see a picture, he is in my album.
He is adorable! Then again, I never saw I Yorkie I didn't like. :p

Brooklynn 06-09-2009 05:34 PM
The YTCA sets the standard for AKC. As with anything genetic you can have a throw back whether it be color ect...just as in humans...it's just that a dark steel blue and tan is the color for the standard in the yorkie anything that is deviated from that is considered "pet" quality and should not be bred but put into a loving pet home and loved :)
I'm not saying Parti's are not a pretty dog it's just not what the standard calls for in the Yorkshire Terrier.
Knowing what the standard calls for is what you should be achieving...and it calls for the dark steel blue and tan....I don't breed for any other color than what the standard calls for just like I wouldn't breed anything that had a genetic health issue.

Pinehaven 06-09-2009 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2661826)
The way I see it, there is quite a difference, as we have discussed several times before.

Until recently, black/gold WAS recognized by AKC and allowed into the ring. The specifics you have mentioned...the running gold, the darker points, etc (in addition to many other "anomalies") can be produced in trying to achieve the standard. In contrast, they can also be used in breeding to produce the standard.

However, in regards to partis, goldens, chocolates, something other than the standard is purposely being bred and reproduced.

Either dogs meet the standard, or they don't...not a lot of room for gray areas. I guess the difference is...why they don't meet the standard. Because they were purposely bred that way, or not?
I understand your point, but I can say the same and as I breed my parti's to traditionals or carriers and produce pups with the correct and accepted blue and tan color. Most of what I've bred does meet the standard because most
are traditionally colored parti carriers.

GreenwoodBiewer 06-10-2009 09:02 AM
This is a wonderfully informative thread.. thank you all for being so civil while discussing different opinions. It makes reading and learning a pleasure.

-Diana :animal-pa

lily 06-10-2009 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2661795)
Does it really matter? "Anomaly" is simply the word that one person used to describe them....nothing more. Would it have been more politically correct to refer to them simply as non-standard? It's just a word--accurately used by definition for pete's sake. :rolleyes:
I agree with you! If you just want it for a pet, buy it. Don't pay a price over the top, because they it's rare.


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