Good post, Nancy. I'd say that, rather than being rude, you're offering some truthful balance to what is basically, as you say, propaganda (in these parts it might be called b.s. :D). I think your post nails the issue right on the head.

The word garbage here = trash there hon. I don't know how anyone could call any living creature that but I think what the poster meant was it did not conform to standard enough to be a show dog so she paid for a show dog and got a pet only quality.

Excellent post as usual Nancy. I totally agree.:thumbup:

As long as i have been on yorkie talk you people have attacked me with your rude nasty comments. So now i am going to tell you my exsperience with the wonderful show world IMO. I sent one of my Champion sired Champion Dam Males to be shown to a very reputable handler that was suppose to be the best of the best. She took him when he was 6months old and wanted to train him she used him as a filler in many shows to help her friends finish there dogs at my exspence. He had six points from her showing him and she told me she had to wait until his hair was a bit longer 3 months later he accidently bred her Champion female. This male was 4-lbs from My Brazil champion female and My canadian Champion male no one else in US had this pedigree. Then when i told her well we could work something out she said no gets her pedigree's i told her to ship my dog home immediately she refused and i had to call AKC to get him back. She then booked a flight on a day he would never fly because of the weather temperatures and said she will ship him back weather permitting. So I then had to rent a car for one of my friends that lived close to her to pick him up. He was bred to her 9-lb champion female I though standard to the breed was up to 7-lbs. Then when i rufused to approve the litter i recieved a letter from AKC stated she DNA tested the litter and I had to approve it because in her contract it didn't say she could use him and it didn't say she couldn't. I payed this lady 15000.00 dollars when i got him home the top of his left ear was cut off and you could easily AI with him but he didn't know how to breed at all this is the dog that accidently bred her female on his own IMO. Then i showed him myself a few times and i was told one time when i went if you pay me $75.00 dollars and i walk your dog around the ring he will win and get his points so IMO this is why i choose to stay away from these politic. I love what i have and i love what i do my dogs are beautiful I have some small ones i breed and some standard the dogs people have bought to show have done very well in the ring my one female recievd best of breed her first show in PA at 9months old and beat a 2yr old Champion in full coat. So you people can say and do what ever you like. As for the dogs from Show people they pick what they want to show from the litter and sell the rest so what are you getting there in a dog. So you can take this last reply from me and make what ever you want of it. It doesn't matter to me.

I dont agree with breeding tinies or breeding for tinies but the OP obviously has alot of experience doing it. It is remarkable she has only had 3 c-sections in 25 yrs. Although My quess is most people that breed tinies have more c sections than that because they arent as knowledgable about their lines.

Thanks for clearing that up for me lol.
I'm keeping out of this one as I don't know any useful info but I do love to read all posts lol:)

Hey, Lissette.....I noticed that myself after I did it. It took me over a year but I made it! I gotta tell ya...it feels good! :) Seems like only yesterday that I was a newbie. My, how time flies.

:thumbup::thumbup: Great post!

congrats woogie man I was excited at hitting my 500 lol

Thanks..it is a milestone. It's kind of like watching the odometer on your car. I've gotten excited in the past when I got one to 100,000 miles. The truck I have now is 16 years old and only has 80,000 miles on it. At the rate I drive, it'll be another 4 or 5 years before it hits 100,000. Wonder what my post count will be by then?

:lol tears

Nancy -- I appreciate your candidness and your intelligently-worded posts. You have stuck to the issues and not attacked the individual. What people fail to see is there is a difference! When you disagree vehmently with someones actions, it is your responsibility to speak out against those actions. It is not attacking the person. It can all be done without personal animosity and name-calling, just as you have here.

I also think if people want to be taken seriously they need to work on wording their posts so people can read them easily. Punctuation, paragraphs, and short, succinct posts can go a long way in making a point. Long rambling, non-punctuated, posts show a lack of attention to detail and quality that might be more telling than you think. Don't get me wrong, I have as many typos as anyone, so I am not talking about being perfect. It is hard for me to take an uneducated-sounding post very seriously. I view many of the posts here as a learning source. If a reference is to have any credence, it needs to be intelligently put together.

Not sure why you directed this post at me since I've said I don't think this thread has anything to do with showing. I guess it's because you think I'm one of 'those people' but I honestly didn't know of you until your re-homing thread. It was there that I saw just how small of dogs you were actually breeding. I've always been opposed to breeding for tinies. In my mind, breeding for tinies was like putting a 3 pound boy with 4 pound girl. You take it to a level (less than 2 pound males breeding with 3 pound girls) that is, frankly, shocking to me.

Call it what you will, I don't think being opposed to such breeding practices is bashing. Despite my feelings, I've kept a civil tone and tried to point out some obvious contradictions in your thoughts on breeding. There are more that I've seen but not mentioned. Also, please remember that you started this thread. How could you not expect comments?

If you've read my other comments, you know that I'm opposed not only because of the obvious risks to the small Moms, but also out of concern for the very tiny pups. The health and safety risks to them are high and honestly, do you really think that they have all gone to homes that can truly care for them properly?

I'm sorry that you've had bad experiences in the show world. I don't show but do hope to get in the ring soon, most likely by one of my litters being co-owned by the stud's owner, who does actively show. However, as I said earlier, I think your OP is less about showing and more about your breeding for timies.

The trend of wanting ever smaller and smaller dogs and people willing to supply them is, to me, dangerous. I really believe that many of those who want these ultra tinies have not done their research and have no real idea of what they're getting into. I'm a very experienced Yorkie owner and I would be scared at the thought of owning 1 1/2 to 2 pound Yorkies. That's just too small!

I don't expect to change your mind about breeding for ultra-tinies but don't expect my opinions to change, either. If you don't want to hear them, then simply don't start threads like this one. IMO, this type of breeding not only is not bettering the breed, it is dangerous to the dams and pups involved.

:thumbup::thumbup:Yah nailed it Nancy!!!:yeahthat::clapsmile:goodpost:

:thumbup: I guess my post was rambling..yet another dig to hurt a person...wow it is done well here I have to say...not punctated properly nor witten like a teacher... sorry... I guess we are not all as well educated as Nancy... for she seems to be a master with words..

I find your post quite rude too for that matter..now we are basically getting down to picking on how a post was written..:eek: how the engish is .. :eek: I will leave all the drama threads to the ones who do it best then..for that in iteself is something to be proud of I guess....:confused: they have a better way to cut to the core ..... for even new members if at all smart.. can figure out quick who is who... .that make themselves feel better by vilifying others over and over again...and to justifly themselves they write better English.. :eek: say it better with their proper punctuation..:eek:

Maybe they should have a yorkie talk one and two.. for those who are smarter then the next guy.. that made me sick.. sorry...:(

Now you can post what you like about me.. make yourselves feel good..for you achieved what you wanted.. I am upset...some can give it but cannot take it..

I will not look or read any more of your daily needs to degrade people...for I guess I am another one now added to the list.. since I did not agree nor disagree on this..


anne

oh gosh, i hope you stay.

i for one am obviously one of those people who pay no attention to capitalization, grammar,...etc..

your posts are completely fine.

to me it is the idea someone is trying to get across, not how they freaking wrote it. :rolleyes:

i have a masters degree, but i still write this way. because i don't really care. i am here trying to communicate with people, not writing a thesis statement. so i do it the fastest way i can. i just type, and i don't worry about punctuation. to me, you just have to make sure people can easily understand you, if they can, whatever you are doing is fine.

i've read enough VERY POORLY written papers on different topic in grad school. the grammar and punctuation is impeccable but the content is lagging.

anyway, i am not saying that everyone should write the way i do. i am sure it is harder to read, and if it is too hard to read, i apologize and will try to be better.

but i just want to let you know that i have no problem reading your posts, your ideas are very clear and easy to understand for me. :D:D

I know there are time's when I don't use the correct grammer, when posting. But I understand all post's, correct grammer's or not. Being on this forum is too educated memeber's, not too hurt people feeling's on here.

objectivity
 

hey people on this thread. i just want to make a note of something.

i consider nancy a dear friend of mine and i love her. but the way people are responding in this thread is kind of disappointing.

instead of agreeing with ideas, a lot of people simply say,

yea nancy, great post.
yea nancy, you nailed it.
...etc.

if i didn't know anything and had joined this site today, then i would think people here are a bunch of high school kids in cliques. but i know that is not the truth. i know that people here are for the most part objective. but the posts in this thread is not quite coming across that way. i think i would focus more on the issues and less on taking sides? (people might not be taking sides? but it is kind of coming across that way as i read this thread)

normally i am fine with people agreeing with someone's post by simply saying "yea that" or "great post" something along those lines. but in this particular thread it has become so excessive. are we here to discuss an issue or are we here to take sides and have a popularity contest.

i thought it was to discuss an issue. but if i am mistaken, then nancy wins for sure on the popularity contest.

Anne Im sorry you come on here to try and help others with good advice you don't deserve this.

I have seen quite a few members here that seem to attack others on their grammar . seems to me its the same bunch every time. and I think its because they are getting no where getting their point across so they tend to attack any thing and every thing else that has nothing to do with the thread. yet if you read their past posts they make the same mistakes. ...but its okay for them. best to ignore them.:thumbdown

nancy, i think i know how you feel about this thread, i was really worked up when we had the reputable breeder vs. back yard breeder thread a while back.

i agree with you that it's all about the love for our dogs and the love for the breed. i agree with you that everyone should buy from a reputable breeder. but i would add to that is not just for the tinies. i think people should always buy from reputable breeder no matter what size dogs they are getting.

i am not that personally offended by this thread as i was the back yard breeder thread though. i am still trying to learn all the things about people breeding tiny dogs. i just don't know enough at this point to be angry with the practice. but i think that you've probably read enough information on it to feel the way you do about the issue.

This is so true, thank you for posting it!!!:thumbup::thumbup:

Dee your dogs are beautiful and you know that. but you also used the word in your post to make a point......I don't think any dog deserves to be called that no matter how out of standard they are. and there are a lot of Yorkies here on YT that are not in the standard. and Im sure that word didn't set to good with them either. but anyways back to the topic.



I don't believe in breeding a female under 5 lbs. but attacking the OP on everyone of her threads is wrong too.

pepole alwys talkn bout othr pepls gramr, spelng and I for one gte so sikc of it.
evne the way I juts typde thsi im srue you can all stlil read whta I jsut wroet
so whta the prblem is?

IS THERE A FULL MOON OR WHAT....Come on guys........Dont take things so personal. Learn from what is said and move on to the next thread. Your not sleeping next to this person so who cares....

LOL, Haha you are right with that one.:D I think that's ok when it's nice and short. BUT, I think it is the poor punctuation, grammar, and LENGTH of the OP posts that make it so difficult to read, and ultimately get her point across.

I tried to read the OP posts, but it just got way to hard to understand, not knowing when one thought ended and the next one started.

I agree with FlDebra as well. Typos, not proof reading, etc is totally ok, but rambling THAT much, when you are trying to establish your expertise? I don't think that's ok. If you want to try to change people's minds, you should, at the very least, try to make it easy to READ it. I wanted to read OP's threads to see her POV, but it got literally tiring to read, so i stopped reading.

I'm staying out of this one because my feelings are being stated way better than I could express them but I have been reading and just want to jump in on this one point.

Exactly as stated above, typos and mis-punctuation are one thing. The OP's posts are almost impossible to get through. I'm ending up just skimming most of them. I don't say this to be mean- I'm sure she wants to make her point (or else why start the thread), but without any breaks, punctuation or capitalization, it is very hard to get through such long posts much less have much understanding of the intent of the post. I am also getting completely lost trying to follow them.

[QUOTE=Nancy1999;2646864]Many of you have pointed out my rudeness, and believe I could better change the breeder's mind if I had used more tact. While I hate to hurt someone's feelings, I hate unethical breeding practices even more.


Hi, Nancy. If I was the O.P. and I read your first sentence of your first post, then I would not continue reading your post. You said, "Your post "shows" me how little you know about breeding, and showing." You always like helping people when they need information about Yorkies, which is wonderful. However, if you give the information in a tactful way people are more likely to listen. Remember the sang you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I if we change our way of speaking to others on this forum, then people are more likely to listen to us. If people continue writing post where they attack instead of giving constructive criticism, then more people will be fleeing the forum and not starting new threads. Nobody is going to read flaming words from somebody's hot lips even if the poster is right. LOL

I don't understand how a thread can take a sudden left turn and go in the direction of attacking someones way of typing??? Geez when we are all perfect then we can cut others down, but until then why not be more tactful. I'm not god and I dont walk on water do you all??? Geezzzzzzz lets stop being mean to each other and be more respectful!