:thumbup:Excellent post.

Show/Pet should be all the same...
 

I too believe that even if getting a Yorkie for a pet you should have good quality....why put them in seperate categories? Shouldn't all Yorkies be bred with the best possible intent, showing or not....

My Pixie's breeder here in the UK told me the same..she said the Judges don't like them too small...she sold Pixie to me for that reason (3lbs) shes show quality but just on the small side.:)

milu is 3 lbs as well. so when i found out that there is no lower limit to a 'standard' yorkie, i was like "YES! i am going to show milu, she is perfect and she is going to WIN!" LOL.

and then nancy told me, "are you stupid or something, the purpose of showing a dog is if you are breeding the dog"

ok, she didn't say the 'are you stupid or something' part because she is too nice to say that but i was kind of stupid. :rolleyes:

Yes very interesting, I wish more people would care about the health then the size. But that will not be happing any time soon.
Thanks for the info!!

That's a great link, I hope people read it!

Lol, I'm glad you cleared that up, really I would never call someone stupid for not knowing this, and I only learned of this a year or so ago. :D I hope I never make anyone feel stupid either, I just try to share the things, I have learned and believe to be true.

I don't want to slam any breeders either, but I think I should respond the same way whether or not the breeder is a long time member of YorkieTalk. While I don't seek controversy, I hope I don't shy too much away from it either. I should add that I don't see anything wrong with owning a tiny, good breeders have them too, but the difference is that they don't purposely breed for them.

it doesn't bother me when people breed small dogs, as long as they know what they are doing. i agree that there are probably more risks involved. and i would think it's a very bad idea if someone who has no experience/education tried to breed tiny dogs. but then again, i don't really think those type of people really should breed ANY dogs.

don't you agree that there is a demand for tiny dogs?

the only that does bother me is people who are misinformed, and they make comments about size of yorkies. (some people will tell people that their dogs not a yorkie because it's "too big" when the dog is a standard yorkie)

but then again, people uneducated about stuff and making broad generalizations are always annoying no matter what topic really.

but i do think that there is a lot of misunderstanding in the general public about yorkie's size.

That is an excellent article! I had no idea that the Maltese and Yorkie were at the same weight standards , and how easy it is to compare these totally different breeds from each other. :aimeeyork

The standard is 3-7lbs according to AKC.

not so. AKC gives no bottom weight. go to American Kennel Club - akc.org and look up the yorkie standard. i posted it on another thread last week. here it is again

General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance.

Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.

Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.

Colors
Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.

Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.

Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.

Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.

Approved July 10, 2007
Effective October 1, 2007

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That's so funny, I just said that....

I was just trying to help. I've heard and read 3-7lbs. Here is one example:
http://www.doggies.com/Yorkshire_Terrier/

I wouldn't deliberately mislead someone. I really thought it was basic knowledge but I was wrong and meant no harm. I know I've read it elsewhere as well....I've just heard it many times and thought I'd share what I thought was true....oops!

Don't feel bad, the AKC use to say between 4-7 pounds, but the YTCA has always said "must not exceed 7 pounds," for as long as I've been reading it anyway. Here's what Yorkietalk F&Q say:
I've asked admin to change this because I think it confuses people, but I got a negative answer. :( Here's what the Mother Club the YTCA says:

If breeders and buyers chose to ignore the advice from the mother club, that's their prerogative, but I want to support what the YTCA is trying to accomplish, and I believe that is "what's best for the breed", not what sells, or what the public demands. Look at what happened to some other purebreds whose breeders have catered to public demands.

Thank you....
 

:) Thank you! I just didn't want anyone to think I was talking sh**..... I clearly made a mistake...

One of my first post here, I made the same mistake, and I was so sure I read it from a good source, but couldn't remember where! :D

When does a yorkie change into the dark steel blue color coat? It's really that color? :confused:
Suzi is only 15 months. She looks more silver right now, since her puppy coat has changed. I have heard the coat can take up to 2-3 yrs to reach full color changes?
She has te tan under her muzzle , and is around 7lbs .

Ben was 2 years old before the black finally started turning that nice dark steel blue. In some pictures it still looks black but with good lighting or outside, he has the prettiest steel blue color. I love that. If yours has already changed from black to silver -- it is probably not going to turn dark steel blue. Some people call the light silver color blue -- but the standard is to be the dark steel blue. Females will sometimes continue to lighten in color the more they are bred, hormones coming in to play. My breeder showed me pictures of one of her girls that is a very pale silver -- when she was 3 years old, she still had a very dark steel blue color. But by the time she had her last litter, (I think she was 6 yrs. old) she was a very light, light, color. So it can vary a great deal on when they stop changing.

I know alot of show breeders that place show quality dogs into pet homes because they might not need that sex at that time. I myself prefer a dog in the 5 1/2 to 6 pound range and even up to 6 1/2 pounds myself!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

That is so refreshing to hear. I prefer 5-6 pounds myself and would rather get one larger (7 pounds) than too small.

My yorkies are almost all in that range. I do have one that is just at 4 pounds and she's my darling but she's the one I always have to watch out for health wise and make sure she's not stepped on....while she's not fragile at all I just worry more about her than the others. I love my 5 to 6 pound yorkies LOL! While my little Krissy is my sweetheart I do prefer them bigger. I would NEVER consider breeding anything under 5 pounds! I could NEVER imagine my Krissy being pregnant she's just way too small!!!

Donna

I love my 14lb boy more than anything and prefer his size :)

I really could care less about AKC papers and registration and whatnot. I just want a dog that's healthy, a good companion with a good personality and that's what I've got.

O How I agree with you. Most of these people on here just want nice pets.

Well I was not going to.. but I will...

I find a lot of people love to get in the attacking mode on YT.. some rarely.. but some always..
So So many on the yorkie forums have such teenie yorkies themselves that I find it hard to understand why they would even get involved in this kind of thread... wow so many have 3 pound yorkies.. and obviously are not all from this breeder who started this thread..
I do not know this breeder... but I cannot beleive how much she is attacked on here.. I give her kuddo's for actually staying here.. why would she want to..
I am a small hobby breeder that has done what I have done on my very own.. no mentor.. I have had lots of bad luck.. but still learning and trying so hard to do it right..yet I will not make a thread and ask questions on a site with oh so many people..
WHY!!! this thread is why.. do you ask the right thing or the wrong thing.. it is stupid or is it worth asking.. if one does not know then it is not stupid.. but yet so many are made to feel stupid.. sound like a tongue twister.. well I feel this way.. do ya or do ya not.. I opt for the NOT..
I do not feel I would want to be punished for not knowing.. do all breeders know it all when they start.. I think not.. but it is not so much the breeders that are doing the attacking.. but people who do not even no what it is all about.. to me at times.. it seems it is follow the leader..
If a person seems to admire another person on here.. and I have seen this since day one.. then they will agree no matter what..
Well for those who know me some.. know I try to help if I can.. do I get right into it on the forum.. NOPE for there is always some one who has to show they know more..so I pretty much leave those questions for those that can!!
I think it is just sad that there is always so much controvery over the same breeder.. it is like beating a dead horse..
anne

Phew............I'm not alone. Thank you Nancy :)

Thank you for this information. I thought it was because Suzi was shaved down once. All her puppy coat disappeared after that. Now, it has grown back to the silver, and has some dark color to her coat> I am thinking she still is changing her coat colors. She wll be 15 months June 3 .Suzi is my first Yorkie , so it is all new to me.

Personally I don't really see anyone being attacked. How are we every going to learn if we can't share are experiences, good and bad. What is wrong with expressing our different view points on breeding, diet, health care, grooming, house training etc. I know everyone does not agree with me on some things but I don't get mad and say I am going to leave just because someone has a different opinion. I have learned many things since I came to YT and I have had my feeling hurt a few times too but I just take it with a grain of salt. Sometimes the truth does hurts. I don't agree that bitches under 5 lbs should be bred but that is just my opinion, just as those that think it is okay to do so under certain circumstances have their opinion. Personally I think discussions like this can be very educational and I appreciate all that I have read.

I don't think anyone is attacking just questioning and the breeder happens to be the one who started the thread.;)

I agree, sharing different views and experiences is how we learn. On the other hand, I don't want to hear comments that could hurt someones feelings. IMO, members can say what they want and should say what they want as long as we take the person's feelings into consideration when responding. I don't think anyone should be disrespected even if we think they deserve it....just my thoughts...

Yes they can be educational.. and I love to read and learn.. that is why I love this place.. I do not and will not breed tiny yorkies.. my new male is 5 pounds.. maravihosa is over 6 pounds and I had problems with her whelping this past winter.. so I would have personally about died had she been smaller.. for it was hard enough..
It is just that over time.. I feel that it is the same thread.. just a different date .... about the same breeder and every one disagreeing with her on her ethics.. so I ask.. what are we learning from this is all I am trying to say..
I have needed help.. but mostly I send a message to a breeder and ask.. I have never been turned down yet..I have met some wonderful people on this forum..and some excellent breeders with great info.. anne