about cheap yorkies, pls read
 

Hello everyone, I have a dilema going on in my mind, well this is what happened.
I got my boy Perrito and I was really happy with him, just him, but then my boyfriend got me Jasmin, I did not want another dog, but how you going to say no to that face???? later as I was already in love with them, I did not want to spay them because of the risk of the surgery, well to make the story short Jasmin got pregnat and now I have 5 pups. At first we decide to sell them for like $800 or something like that, but then I decide that I wanted to find a GOOD home for the babys, so I place an ad on craigslist telling people that I have the puppies and we could work something out for them to go a good home, by this I meant to let the future family to decide about dock their tails and choose a vet and make the adoption fee afordable, maybe $300 TOPS. Do you know what happened??? my ad got flagged twice and people start e mailing me asking me for a free puppy because they could not affort $300 and stuff like that and then getting mad at me for not giving them away the way they wanted . That made me think.....I paid almost $2000 for Perrito and Jasmin was over $1000 (I never goint to regret that money it was WELL spended), then every single time they need a vet check from a shot to ANYTHING else like vomiting or shivering, I always took them for a check out and paid whatever the bill was (I have all the recipes) and I'm not a rich person at all, I just love them, they are my children, so how can people ask for a FREE pure breed expensive dog for free when their excuse is they dont have the money to pay a fee?? what is going to happen to that dog if something go wrong and they need medical assistance??? that made me also mad and now I'm not giving this puppies away for cheap and forget about free, but there's something bother me inside, like I'm doing something wrong, I wish I have a big house so I can keep them all.........pls don't jugde me I just need to hear some opinons..........thank you all for lisening, good bless. (and I spaying jasmin nex month, wish us good luck):(

People can be absolutely ridiculous - expecting something for free! While I do think over $1000 for a dog can be a bit much, $300 is a GREAT price, especially since you are not an experienced breeder and probably didn't do much testing, etc. I think that's a perfect price in your situation and actually very cheap for a Yorkie. The fact that someone wants a yorkie or any dog for free is insane. '

By the way, tails can only be docked VERY early on or else it would be extremely painful. I think they do it when the pup is between 2-4 days old or something but I'm not a breeder, could be wrong on the age. So, if they're past that, that options already gone. I have a full-tailed Yorkie and I love it. :)

Thank you very much for your answer, I did dock the tails when they were almost 2 weeks, i did not want to, but you never know what is going to happen in the future so i think I save that pain for them. again thanks for your words.

I hope you will consider giving the pups over to a rescue, they have the resources to find good homes, for them and make sure they are neutered so that your young pups don't go into the hands of a poor breeder. You could be condemning these dogs to an inhumane and cruel existence if you are not extremely careful where you place them. Just making someone promise to get them spayed isn't enough. Some people work full time just reading the ads and get cheap puppy's for resale, you would have no control where the dogs would be going. Remember, these people will seem like the nicest people ever over the phone, but this is how they make their living. Since you never purchased your dogs as breeders, or to make money, why not keep it that way, and give the puppies up. There are several people on Yorkietalk that run legitimate rescues, and the people here can point you in the right direction. Pregnancy carries just as much risk as neutering, even more so, so please get these dogs neutered, it's practically impossible to stop unwanted pregnancies if you don't. A rescue might even be able to help you find a way to neuter your own dogs. You have no idea if the dogs you own have genetic illness that could be passed to their offspring, since I'm assuming you never had them tested for this. Many genetic illnesses don't even show up till the age of 3-7 and require expensive surgery to correct. I'm so glad you have decided to give this more thought, and you are right you don't want to sell your dogs to people who can't afford to pay more, you want to sell them to people that only want a pet, and can afford medical treatment and other necessities. Best of luck with your decision, I know this is painful for you, but with the economy the way it is, people seem more interested in making money off of dogs, rather than spending money on them, so be very careful where you place them.

I think you are going about it the right way, but I do not know if Craigslist is the best source to post on for all the reasons that you have stated above. I love Craigslist and found Tater that way (very luckily) but I am amazed at how many stupid people are on there :) Good luck with your pups. Have you posted your litter here on YT?

First...welcome to YorkieTalk!! secondly.....300...is VERY cheap for a yorkie...if people can't afford that how is the world are they going to be able to afford to own them....they are going to need vaccines and yearly vet visits...not to mention if they should get sick. Do they have papers? If I were you...I would post a picture of the puppies in your vets office to see if you can sell them there. It doesn't sound like you are getting very good people looking at your ad. JMO....Good Luck! I really hope they all end up in good homes...and I am very glad to hear you are having your female spayed...that will be the best thing for her........and you.

edited to add: puppies tails should be docked shortly after birth...NOT after they are purchased...I don't think you would find a vet to do that at that age.

List the pups on here (Yorkietalk) as well! I'm sure you'll have people interested. Craigslist probably isn't the best place.

I agree with Nancy about the rescues as well.

And definitely... SPAY/NEUTER!

I'm so glad that i posted here.......you know my babies are soooo cuuuuuteeee and this situation is breaking my heart.....thank you all for replaying, i named two of them already even i know i can't keep them, bella is the girl and the smallest one name is chikito dog......for now at least, thank you all again

[QUOTE=jasminr;2641167]Hello everyone, I have a dilema going on in my mind, well this is what happened.
I got my boy Perrito and I was really happy with him, just him, but then my boyfriend got me Jasmin, I did not want another dog, but how you going to say no to that face???? later as I was already in love with them, I did not want to spay them because of the risk of the surgery, well to make the story short Jasmin got pregnat and now I have 5 pups. At first we decide to sell them for like $800 or something like that, but then I decide that I wanted to find a GOOD home for the babys, so I place an ad on craigslist telling people that I have the puppies and we could work something out for them to go a good home, by this I meant to let the future family to decide about dock their tails and choose a vet and make the adoption fee afordable, maybe $300 TOPS. Do you know what happened??? my ad got flagged twice and people start e mailing me asking me for a free puppy because they could not affort $300 and stuff like that and then getting mad at me for not giving them away the way they wanted . That made me think.....I paid almost $2000 for Perrito and Jasmin was over $1000 (I never goint to regret that money it was WELL spended), then every single time they need a vet check from a shot to ANYTHING else like vomiting or shivering, I always took them for a check out and paid whatever the bill was (I have all the recipes) and I'm not a rich person at all, I just love them, they are my children, so how can people ask for a FREE pure breed expensive dog for free when their excuse is they dont have the money to pay a fee?? ... <snip>


I wish I'd seen your post on craigslist earlier :( I was looking for a male puppy to adopt, and went through meeting several people on craigslist (some of them ended up quite insane and unreliable :eek:). I finally found someone, but on sfgate.com. I purchased our new family addition, baby boy Mojo, for $600 — which I consider to be very cheap when yorkies are concerned. The pup came with 1st shot, de-warmed, CKC registered, and his tail was already docked. Mojo is 10 weeks old. I also saw the parents, and both of them are gorgeous. :animal36

Good luck with the puppies!

[quote=Conjure_Girl;2641258]I go on craigs list to see what is there quite often, I think your probably being flagged by the vigilante craigs list police. As soon as they see someone is on their selling pups and not truely rehoming them for a reasonable rehoming fee they flag them. You would be much better off either listing them here on YT or in your local paper

THANK U so much again, my puppies will not have papers because i'm not a breeder and I just want them to go a GOOD home, but the parents have them, papers I mean.......thank you again and I hope I will find somebody like you as well.....i will post my litter here but if not luck pls tell me more about the rescue home (I don't want to place them there, but I'm still learning.)

Ok.. I don't want to be negative nancy but I do hope that you will reconsider getting your two Yorkies fixed. In the fear of something going wrong with the surgeries, now you have to worry about something going wrong with 5 new lives by placing them in safe homes. If you do not plan on breeding please, please, please get them fixed so that this doesn't happen again... believe me, you little man already has that taste in his mouth.. he will go for it again only the next time he will be quicker at it.

I would love one of your babies. I am looking for a little girl. I wish I was closer, I am in western NY. My hubby won't let me spend a lot.:( He is worried about his job and the economy. What you are asking I can afford!

my opinion.
 

I think that those people are just taking advantage of you my dear. I think that if they shall have to get a dog-they should be responsible& know that it is gonna have to cost them. They should be knowing how much it costs to own a pet, groom, spend time, and everything else. It takes a lot of effort & it is like having a child. If you cant afford a dog for at least $200 which is totally reasonable (Heck I would take it!) then you cant care for the dog!

Those people are ignorant & rip offs! Don't believe them.

Craigslist will always flag your posting cause they wont allow free dogs & abuse.

I think you're better off posting local ads. It's too bad that I live so far away in Minnesota, otherwise I'd pay a small fee for one of your girls. I would love to have one with my family & my nieces would love spending time with them.

Anyhow, let me know what happened thereafter.

Nalee :aimeeyork:animal-pa

people don':animal-pat you worry I have learned my lesson, I will spay my baby and I KNOW FOR SURE EVERYTHING WILL BE OK,(but you can send us good energy) everything you said to me, made a huge difference in the life of these pups from spaying to not to trust (in a good way)

That is a great plan. Your fur babies run a bigger risk of something happening by getting pregnant. I would definately not advertise on CL...perhapes you can put them on petfinder.com. Be very careful because many people see a yorkie that is not fixed and turn them into breeding machines. If you are concerned about finding homes I would contact a rescue and tell them your concerns and see if they will help you find them homes as they will insure they are fixed and given to appropriate homes. Good luck and you are in our thoughts.

I say putting your pups here on yorkietalk is a great idea.... These are people that really care about their dogs... (It seems that way, anyway) Just something to consider. I am sure you would sell them quickly on here and to good people! Good luck and congrats on your babies :)

I sent you a PM concerning placing one of your female puppys. I go on Craigslist everyday from Pa,Maryland and New Jersey looking @ what pups are available. If anyone is selling,breeding etc. they go beserk on there with the flagging and writing horrible viscious posts about that person or poster. Craigslist says that you may only re-home pets on there for less than $200.00. Exotic birds go for alot of $$ and no one ever flags those posts. I wish you luck in finding wonderful homes for your puppies...:)

hmmmm, I live right here in NJ

your local paper is also a good place to start. You can weed them out over the phone. Or better yet, why don't you just send them to me! :D.. I have puppy fever!

hahahahahaha are you sure you want them???????? jeje the potty training is jus about going OK, jeje

It sounds like the people that contacted you may have been thinking - to breed the yorkie... which is sad. If I were you I would raise the price to $600 for a boy, $7-800 for a girl.... or keep them until they can be spayed/neutered ... charge the person the fee for spaying or neutering. :thumbup: Be careful to screen the future parents, see if they have biiiig dogs, or rough children.... Good luck.:thumbup:

I definitely agree with this! :thumbup:

I don't really like the argument "If you can't afford $800-$1000 for the pup, you can't afford to take care of it!!" because that's not totally true. I also don't care about papers or anything as he's my pet, not my show dog or a stud or anything. I'd rather save the few extra $100's to purchase extra food, toys, beds, etc for the dog to have. And, god forbid, if something were to happen and need medical attention then yes, I would scrape up whatever I've got to care for my baby!

But just because I'm not willing to spend $1000 on a dog does NOT mean I don't have the money to care for it. It's hard to explain what I'm trying to say but you said it well. Some people make it sound as if you have to be rich in order to own a dog and that's not true at all. I'm a college student with little money but I just set my priorities straight! My personal needs and every-day things I use as well as Jackson come first. Most of the stuff I buy Jackson... he doesn't really NEED lol. But anyways, now I'm rambling. I just don't really like that argument. Also, I do understand breeders need to make back what they put into the process but at the same time... I know the shelter I go to, all their dogs are $150 adoption fee because they bring their dogs to a low cost clinic to get shots, spay/neuter, etc. It's possible to get shots and surgeries cheaper and have them done just as good. You can get a perfectly healthy rescue dog Yorkie at a shelter for between $50-$300.

However, I do agree you shouldn't list any dogs for free on Craigslist or wherever because of the fact that there is so many evil people out there so it's definitely good to have some kind of fee just to know the person is serious.

I do agree. My parents live on a very low income.. though they don't have much overhead, they would never be able to afford even $300 for a yorkie. However, the two dogs they have right now are treated like royalty. They have their shots, they have been fixed.. They are their "children". It is easier to come up with the yearly shot money and food than a price of $600 and up for a dog. I think we also have to remember, not everyone dresses their yorkies or keeps their hair in topknots...which is a bigger chunk of change to maintain.

I bought my male for $1200 and my female for $1500 with the hopes of starting out as a breeder. I know I am a novice so I priced my puppies at much less than their puppies would normally go for. I asked $900. I did that mainly to ensure people would not arbitrarily decided to buy one without putting enough thought into it. Cheap puppies can sometimes wind up in shelters because people do not value them enough to take care of them. I also wanted to ensure puppy mill folks would not buy them. They can be tricky and appear to be good people wanting a pet. But they are not likely to buy a $900 puppy for their purposes. They look for the cheaper ones. I also wanted to make sure whoever bought them could afford good health care for their puppies. I am confident each of the people adopting my puppies will be able to provide for them should an emergency arise.

I think Yorkies prices went so high for several reasons but at least one of those reasons is to weed out buyers who maybe should not have a Yorkie. There are plenty of pets that are priced lower. I could not have one when I was young and on a strict budget. They are a luxury! AKC yorkies usually sell for more than the off-shoot registeries. The puppies usually look closer to standard than others too.

If your puppies are quality -- please think about getting the litter registered. You can still sell them as pets only by designating limited registration on the individual puppy applications that will come with your litter registration. Even though you did not intend to breed your dogs, they still deserve to be registered if both parents are. I think it is important to register our puppies when they are from quality AKC stock. It is a history of the breed, among other things.

Sorry you went through such a hassle when you were just trying to give people a chance to own a wonderful Yorkie puppy for less money. But it pays to keep their prices higher, IMO. Besides.....the money we spend totals up fast! Think of all the vet visits for momma, then for the puppies, their wormings, shots, health certificates, cost to register the litter, cost to feed, toys, play yard, carrier to fit all the puppies, all those puppy pads, treats, chewed up shoes and flip flops that now need to be replaced :) , money to place an ad, puppy pack to go with new owners, ....... and if worst ever happens and you lose a momma dog -- well there is a huge cost to buy another (but never be able to replace her!). I need to sell 4 of my puppies to just break even! And that means no pay for all those hours of taking care of them -- well okay, maybe I should be paying for the joy of playing with them every day too! ;) But you get the idea. They do cost a lot more to raise than you think. I don't know how a peron doesn't go in the red when they sell their puppies for $300. Maybe they are not going to the vet as much.

Good luck finding homes for your little ones. Be patient. Check with your vet. Some allow you to post a card there. Check in with the local dog fancier club in your area. Let the breeders you got your two adult dogs from know you have puppies. They can sometimes steer an interested customer your way if they do not have a litter ready to go at the same time. Definately advertise them here on YT if they are 10 weeks old. You can list them for a set price and then let it be a case by case basis to give a discount if you want. I advertised mine for $900. No one has asked me to take less and only here on YT has anyone suggested that was too high of a price for them to pay. I could have sold several more females if I had them but for some reason no one has asked for males. The breeder I got my girl from said it goes in cycles. Sometimes it seems like all callers want a girl and sometimes they all seem to want a boy. Sorry this got so long --- I just got going and did not know when to stop typing! :D

Whoever sold you a $100 dog that had all its shots, neutered and wormed had to have gone in the red. You did say you don't have papers and mentioned puppymill crap. So, did your pup come from a puppymill? You really cannot compare dogs that came through the sick, cruel world of a puppymill with puppies cared and loved right in the breeders home being given constant attention and loving nurturing. Yorkie puppymills came about because people who did not want to or could not pay the higher Yorkie prices still wanted to own them. Enter the twisted puppymiller who can sell for cheaper prices because they don't have a standard of care or any morals. How can anyone expect a breeder to raise quality dogs and then go in the hole so that everyone can have a yorkie?

I understand where you are coming from and would not bash you -- but I still think quality Yorkies are a luxury. I think everyone should be able to have a dog. I don't think everyone should be able to have a Yorkie. Not that yorkies are a mere possession like a car but it is sort of like we may all need a car but some will buy a Ford Focus, some will buy a Cadillac and some will buy a Mercedes. They should not all be priced the same just because everyone deserves a car. You get what you can afford. I know lots of people that can't afford or do not want to spend the higher prices still want Yorkies. That is why so many of the unscrupulous breeders wound up cutting corners to be able to offer cheap yorkies. It hurt the breed a LOT! You wind up seeing yorkies that look nowhere near the standard. You also wind up with mother dogs abused and puppies neglected. But the price is low.

There is no way I would give away my Yorkies to strangers. Selling them for $300 would definately be giving them away (actually going quite a bit in the red!) when you look at how much I paid to get them to the 12 week stage (I listed a lot about expenses in last post and won't repeat it all here...but I spent a lot more because we lost our momma dog too. ) I also had to buy bottles, formula, goat's milk (not cheap), nutri-cal, syringes,etc. I also split their shots which cost more in office visits. So maybe they did cost a little more than the average Yorkie to raise, but I don't think you could do it for a lot less than I did and still be doing it right. Some litters only have one or two and they still have all the same costs that I did. Breeders also wind up with litters where none survive but much had already been spent on preparation. They have to provide year round care for the breeding females and males too. So, as a business -- there are a LOT of expenses a person may not think about. Mine are my pets so I don't figure in the cost of caring for mom and dad. They are my pleasure, but still they are a cost associated with the puppies to some extent.

So -- there are two sides to Yorkie costs. It would be nice if we all got one issued to us when we were old enough to care for them -- no cost at all. But that is not practical and asking quality breeders to sell their puppies for $300 is not practical either. Just another opinion.

I see some of the puppymill types advertising online that they have $450yorkies. I can almost guarantee they are not doing right by them or they could not possibly be making a profit. I suppose when you get into mass production, you could sell them for less and still turn a profit but who wants a puppy whose mother has been kept in a cage, stacked several high, all her life?

Now some of the $6000 price tags seem pretty ridiculous, especially because they are usually NOT the result of a careful breeding programs painstakingly spread over 20-30 years to carefully refine features. No, those price tags are usually because the puppy is extra tiny or being called a "rare." But I think prices up to $2000 can usually be justified. The crime is when they ask that high of a price but only provide the care of a puppymiller who usually charges 1/4 of that. I don't mind the high prices though if they have quality yorkies and they provide them with excellent care to get a great start.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:I agree. IMO, this is just like why the counterfeit designer handbag business came about. There are certain things in life that are luxury, that are not meant for everyone to have. If you can't afford it, you dream about it, but bad people come along and knock it off, lower the value of it, lower the integrity of it. Thanks to them, now you can carry around your puppymill yorkie in your fake Juicy dog bag for $250. Despicable!:mad:

Personally I know that I could never have owned a Yorkie if I had had to pay 900 and up for one because my DH would of had a fit:p. Yes unfortunately being uneducated I "rescued" My little man from a puppy mill. That being said I wouldn't sell him for any amount of money and I think he is beautiful and despite his breeding a fair repesentatin of the breed. It is funny though because I have probably spent 6 to 7 hundred in the last 7 months on vet bills and all the other ummmm things lol that I have bought for him. I would do without medical care myself before I would let him lol. I do though understand that breeders have to get a fair price because it is quite expensive to get them here. My father bred and raised registered plot hunting dogs and he did charge a good price for them as they came from champion lines. I really didnt care if my yorkie was a champion but it is nice to have a yorkie that looks like one. Tomorrow we are headed to Kansas to pick up little Lolita who was posted here on YT by JJC as a rescue. We are absolutely thrilled to be able to give her the love she deserves. I doubt I will ever buy a puppy again now that I know there are so many needing homes. If I were the OP I would talk to people like Jen and find out how to go about getting these little ones home. You can use the same process the rescues do and charge a rehoming fee to cover your expenses.

Wow I must be one of those dispicable people lol. Sorry I know you mean well but some of us got our "knock off" yorkies when we didnt understand about puppy mills. But we are still very proud of our babies and love them dearly.