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sweetneas 05-18-2009 01:03 PM
I LOVE Victoria!! I have never watched Cesar.

bildio 05-18-2009 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 2627375)
My schedule doens't permit me to catch Caesar's show as often as Victoria's. I like them both, though, they both have cute accents. : ) But I agree, i think Vic's methods are easier for us regular folk to do, other than Caesar taking the doggies to the camp. Has anyone ever seem an episode of eithers with a yorkie on it?
I recall seeing both having episodes with Yorkies. At least one episode with Victoria, & a couple with Cesar.

ashanz390 05-18-2009 02:07 PM
I believe victoria has had 2 episodes with yorkies (that i have seen) and they were both in england so that means they are older episodes...becuase she's in america now.

RoxyLuv 05-18-2009 03:10 PM
I like them both. Watch reruns over & over. Have learned so much from both. I have noticed that Cesar doesn't do dog obedience as we know it. But he's called on (& so are a lot of trainers to fix problems) not for general dog obedience. There's a difference. Don't want to give up either Cesar or Victoria.

Denamac 05-18-2009 04:52 PM
Victoria all the way!!
 
My whole family loves to watch Victoria's show. She is awesome! I wasn't the least bit interested in watching the Greatest American Dog TV show until I heard Victoria was going to be a judge. Once I heard she was going to be on it, I didn't miss an episode!

I have tried some of her training methods on Zoe and she really responds to it. I've tried some of Cesar's too; but didn't really work for us too well.

Honeypaute 05-18-2009 06:16 PM
I <3 Cesar!!! And Daddy too!!!

Britster 05-18-2009 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2627435)
What is so wrong with that? Not to be mean, I'm just curious as to why you feel that is bad? Hand motions and commands are all a part of training? The "Shhh" sound is no different than using the word "Quiet!" or something. I know everyone has opinions! And the collar thing is something definitely that shouldn't be happening. But the owner probably used a collar as well. I've seen Cesar use harnesses before if the owner uses them.
IMO, as Ceaser is a professional trainer I feel that their are more effective training methods to be using in a toy breed , then this. I wasn't impressed . I like more calmer approach, food rewards, positive training methods. you started this thread and asked for people to choose, and that is what I did. BTW, this owner, was concerned about her Yorkie's reaction to the pulling of the collar, Ceaser finally placed a harness on her dog. her dog was 6yrs old .
Woah, I know that. I wanted peoples opinions! I hope I didn't come across in the wrong way. I was just curious why you thought that way... no harm. Wanted more opinions! I totally understand what you're saying!

journey826 05-18-2009 08:21 PM
I am a fan of both but if I had to choose one it would be ceasar all the way.
I do think ceasar's method works better with medium to large dogs just because he can apply his methods easier(did you guys see the yorkie episodes? boy all I can say is he earned his keep those times:D)
and victoris methods work better with the medium to small but it takes so long to retrain them with her method and ceasar comes in and boom their changed and all you have to do is maintain what he started.

I love them both but I loved victoria more before we americanized her:rolleyes:

Zeus08 05-18-2009 08:24 PM
I watch both shows. While I do enjoy Victoria, I think takes the cake. He is awesome with dogs big and small!:aimeeyork

QuickSilver 05-18-2009 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by journey826 (Post 2628092)
I am a fan of both but if I had to choose one it would be ceasar all the way.
I do think ceasar's method works better with medium to large dogs just because he can apply his methods easier(did you guys see the yorkie episodes? boy all I can say is he earned his keep those times:D)
and victoris methods work better with the medium to small but it takes so long to retrain them with her method and ceasar comes in and boom their changed and all you have to do is maintain what he started.

I love them both but I loved victoria more before we americanized her:rolleyes:
Yeah, I am hoping that as she gets more of a foothold in America, it will get back the UK magic. I get the impression that she is trying to be nicer to us Americans, and her sharp tongue is part of her charm.

WRT to the speed of Cesar's methods, I was actually thinking about this today because I bought a skateboard for Thor. Thor despises skateboarders, and will actually run all the way across a park (and OUT) to snarl at one. He'll run in front of them and I'm afraid there's going to be a nasty dog / board / human accident at some point.

Anyway, I started by putting the board out in the main room, then putting some treats on it, and then rolling it a bit before giving him some treats. All in all, I've spent about 10 minutes on it so far. I'll probably starting taking it outside to do 5 or 10 minutes over the next few weeks until he's completely used to it. I remember Cesar did a show with a bulldog that hated skateboards, and he spent an entire day habituating the dog to them. So in one way, it only took one day, but in terms of total time spent training, I think it's about the same.

Britster 05-19-2009 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2628121)
Yeah, I am hoping that as she gets more of a foothold in America, it will get back the UK magic. I get the impression that she is trying to be nicer to us Americans, and her sharp tongue is part of her charm.

WRT to the speed of Cesar's methods, I was actually thinking about this today because I bought a skateboard for Thor. Thor despises skateboarders, and will actually run all the way across a park (and OUT) to snarl at one. He'll run in front of them and I'm afraid there's going to be a nasty dog / board / human accident at some point.

Anyway, I started by putting the board out in the main room, then putting some treats on it, and then rolling it a bit before giving him some treats. All in all, I've spent about 10 minutes on it so far. I'll probably starting taking it outside to do 5 or 10 minutes over the next few weeks until he's completely used to it. I remember Cesar did a show with a bulldog that hated skateboards, and he spent an entire day habituating the dog to them. So in one way, it only took one day, but in terms of total time spent training, I think it's about the same.
LOL, I can see little Thor trying to attack a skateboarder!

Sounds like a good idea what you're doing with the skateboard - I briefly
remember seeing that episode.

And you're last sentence is totally true. I think people get the wrong impression that Cesar just fixes everything in one day but that's just not it. If the owners don't continue using his methods and what he started with the dog... they're never going to get better. Dog Whisperer usually has a thing at the end that shows the owners after Cesar came to their house. Usually, the updates are all very much better but still have certain things to work on still.

Mom to Hot Rod 05-19-2009 05:32 AM
I've only seen a couple of Ceasar's shows but I have to say that I really like Victoria. I've used a few of her methods and they have worked very well.

Symph2001 05-19-2009 05:34 AM
"I used to like Victoria till she started bad mouthing 'that other trainer and his 'pack' " methods on her show. Her training methods may not be right for every dog or owner.

KJLive 05-19-2009 05:44 AM
I prefer Cesar. Victoria does all her training with treats. Which although effective, it doesn't necessarily solve all training issue. Most dogs will do anything you want them to do for a treat. Where as Cesar solves the dogs issues by identifying and changing the root of the problem. I think he's far more impressive. :thumbup:

jennlynch87 05-19-2009 05:51 AM
I love Victoria, I think she is so good with animals!! My roomate always watched Ceaser though, and he had a (mean) doberman. :)


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