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GreenwoodBiewer 04-13-2009 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2575281)
Since I started Yorkie Talk I have become more alarmed as to what I am seeing and reading with the Biewer Terrier. I believe a lot of members are becoming confused with the difference in a tri-colored yorkie, and a Biewer. I am becoming increasingly alarmed when I see breeders here who say they are breeding tri-colored yorkies and when I see their sire or dam I question its breed. A tri-colored yorkie has no standard, a biewer does and when you see a Biewer, you know it is a Biewer!

The dispute with the standards amongst the clubs is just basically that, a dispute. However, I bet they know they own Biewers and not a tri-colored Yorkie.
Yes it is confusing and I'm not sure if your speaking of a "parti-yorkie" when you refer to a tri-colored yorkie or not... but I breed Biewers (NOT Biewer Terriers) they are a variation of a yorkie that is tri colored. They originated in Germany. On the pedigrees, they are called a Biewer Yorkshire ala Pom Pon. In Germany, when I purchased the dogs, they were considered a variant of the Yorkshire Terrier. This was in 2006, just a few short years ago. It was only when they came to this country and some groups decided they wanted to get these beautiful creatures into the AKC did the NEED for them to become something OTHER than what they are develop. Now, magically, they are something else...poof! :wink2:

If you care to look at my website, feel free to do so.. I'm sure when you see the sires and dams on there, you will have NO question as to the breed of these dogs.

I believe, the parti yorkie does not have a standard at the present time where the Biewer does.. actually, we seem to get a new one all the time ...

Diana :animal-pa

Obie 04-13-2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 2575489)
Yes it is confusing and I'm not sure if your speaking of a "parti-yorkie" when you refer to a tri-colored yorkie or not... but I breed Biewers (NOT Biewer Terriers) they are a variation of a yorkie that is tri colored. They originated in Germany. On the pedigrees, they are called a Biewer Yorkshire ala Pom Pon. In Germany, when I purchased the dogs, they were considered a variant of the Yorkshire Terrier. This was in 2006, just a few short years ago. It was only when they came to this country and some groups decided they wanted to get these beautiful creatures into the AKC did the NEED for them to become something OTHER than what they are develop. Now, magically, they are something else...poof! :wink2:

If you care to look at my website, feel free to do so.. I'm sure when you see the sires and dams on there, you will have NO question as to the breed of these dogs.

I believe, the parti yorkie does not have a standard at the present time where the Biewer does.. actually, we seem to get a new one all the time ...

Diana :animal-pa
Oops, I did it again. Yes, I mean't the Parti Yorkies. Do you feel there is no need to have the Biewer recognized by AKC? What will happen than if they don't? How will they be defined as a breed of their own? Or, are they a breed of their own?

bchgirl 04-13-2009 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2575505)
Oops, I did it again. Yes, I mean't the Parti Yorkies. Do you feel there is no need to have the Biewer recognized by AKC? What will happen than if they don't? How will they be defined as a breed of their own? Or, are they a breed of their own?

You've stated you've been breeding biewers for 5 years...are the above questions just musings? Just curious

Obie 04-13-2009 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2575513)
You've stated you've been breeding biewers for 5 years...are the above questions just musings? Just curious
No, its called engaging. Open discussions in a professional and objective manner. Do you have something to contribute without provoking?

phfgkl 04-13-2009 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 2575489)
Yes it is confusing and I'm not sure if your speaking of a "parti-yorkie" when you refer to a tri-colored yorkie or not... but I breed Biewers (NOT Biewer Terriers) they are a variation of a yorkie that is tri colored. They originated in Germany. On the pedigrees, they are called a Biewer Yorkshire ala Pom Pon. In Germany, when I purchased the dogs, they were considered a variant of the Yorkshire Terrier. This was in 2006, just a few short years ago. It was only when they came to this country and some groups decided they wanted to get these beautiful creatures into the AKC did the NEED for them to become something OTHER than what they are develop. Now, magically, they are something else...poof! :wink2:

If you care to look at my website, feel free to do so.. I'm sure when you see the sires and dams on there, you will have NO question as to the breed of these dogs.

I believe, the parti yorkie does not have a standard at the present time where the Biewer does.. actually, we seem to get a new one all the time ...

Diana :animal-pa
They are a Biewer Terrier, they are a relative of the Yorkshire Terrier. I have no doubt in my mind, that they will be accepted by AKC, it may be awhile or it may happen soon(hopefully the latter), but, I am sure it will happen, thanks to the only club trying to get them accepted(BTCA). I don't know why it seems to bother you so much that they're working so hard on getting them accepted by AKC.??:confused::rolleyes:

AprilLove 04-13-2009 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2575262)
Donna's club was the ABC American Biewer Club. It was never called the Biewer Club of America.

Donna was very nice in posting the results of Decoration and was told at that time to spay and neuter all siblings. She bred her sister and then sold her as a breeder AGAINST what she was told. She sold and sent a pregnant dog to a lady in San Diego and the poor thing aborted the litter due to the stress. Sorry folks, but I do not believe in giving credit when credit isn't due.

She is not responsible for the introduction of the Biewer in America. I told my Uncle Dieter to bring me a puppy when he came over for vacation in 2003. I had never heard of Donna until I already had my dogs and I can say that 99% of the people I talked to had never heard of her either.
So Uncle Dieter is responsible for the very first Biewer in America?? I'm not quite sure I understand, lol

AprilLove 04-13-2009 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2575524)
No, its called engaging. Open discussions in a professional and objective manner. Do you have something to contribute without provoking?

Most, if not all, who engage here for legitimate reasons, sign their name at the end of their posts. You've been a breeder for 5 or more years, yet know one seems to know who you are?? Hmmmm:)

AprilLove 04-13-2009 01:06 PM
Original poster, Biewer standard calls for up to 7 lbs for Biewer weight :):)

Pruett 04-13-2009 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 2575554)
So Uncle Dieter is responsible for the very first Biewer in America?? I'm not quite sure I understand, lol
I'm not one bit surprised that you have totally twisted this sentence around. BROTHER. How in the world did you get that Uncle Dieter is responsible for the first Biewer in America?

You have to read the whole paragraph. I was simply stating that I was looking to have my uncle bring a Biewer with him when he came over on vacation. I didn't know Donna Hall or anyone else in America with Biewers.

bchgirl 04-13-2009 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2575262)


She is not responsible for the introduction of the Biewer in America. I told my Uncle Dieter to bring me a puppy when he came over for vacation in 2003. I had never heard of Donna until I already had my dogs and I can say that 99% of the people I talked to had never heard of her either.
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2575595)
I'm not one bit surprised that you have totally twisted this sentence around. BROTHER. How in the world did you get that Uncle Dieter is responsible for the first Biewer in America?

You have to read the whole paragraph. I was simply stating that I was looking to have my uncle bring a Biewer with him when he came over on vacation. I didn't know Donna Hall or anyone else in America with Biewers.

Probably the first sentence of your earlier post.

Pruett 04-13-2009 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 2575489)
Yes it is confusing and I'm not sure if your speaking of a "parti-yorkie" when you refer to a tri-colored yorkie or not... but I breed Biewers (NOT Biewer Terriers) they are a variation of a yorkie that is tri colored. They originated in Germany. On the pedigrees, they are called a Biewer Yorkshire ala Pom Pon. In Germany, when I purchased the dogs, they were considered a variant of the Yorkshire Terrier. This was in 2006, just a few short years ago. It was only when they came to this country and some groups decided they wanted to get these beautiful creatures into the AKC did the NEED for them to become something OTHER than what they are develop. Now, magically, they are something else...poof! :wink2:

If you care to look at my website, feel free to do so.. I'm sure when you see the sires and dams on there, you will have NO question as to the breed of these dogs.

I believe, the parti yorkie does not have a standard at the present time where the Biewer does.. actually, we seem to get a new one all the time ...

Diana :animal-pa
The WRV is the only registry in Germany that I know of that has Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom Pon on the registration. If there are others, please share them with us. All the other registries call them a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon including ACH, the original club that Mr. Biewer registered his dogs with. Why do you think he did that?

We fully understand that you don't have Biewer Terriers. The Biewer Terrier is a purebred, breed of it's own. The BTCA has proven that they are not just a color variation of the Yorkie and THAT is why we call them Biewer Terriers. What BTCA member told you differently?

As you stated, you are breeding Yorkies and tri colored Yorkies together. I believe you are also going by a standard that the Mi-Ki breeders wrote, not Mr. Biewer.
Now, some people breed Yorkies to a variation of the Yorkie and magically they are something else. POOF!

As far as AKC goes, all the clubs are submitting for recognition and there are only 2 of them that have changed their names for AKC. The BTCA changed it's name in 2006 before submitting to AKC.
We all submitted to ARBA at the same time and who did they chose as the best representation of the breed?

my2boyz 04-13-2009 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2575662)
The WRV is the only registry in Germany that I know of that has Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom Pon on the registration. If there are others, please share them with us. All the other registries call them a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon including ACH, the original club that Mr. Biewer registered his dogs with. Why do you think he did that?

We fully understand that you don't have Biewer Terriers. The Biewer Terrier is a purebred, breed of it's own. The BTCA has proven that they are not just a color variation of the Yorkie and THAT is why we call them Biewer Terriers. What BTCA member told you differently?

As you stated, you are breeding Yorkies and tri colored Yorkies together. I believe you are also going by a standard that the Mi-Ki breeders wrote, not Mr. Biewer.
Now, some people breed Yorkies to a variation of the Yorkie and magically they are something else. POOF!

As far as AKC goes, all the clubs are submitting for recognition and there are only 2 of them that have changed their names for AKC. The BTCA changed it's name in 2006 before submitting to AKC.
We all submitted to ARBA at the same time and who did they chose as the best representation of the breed?
What clubs submitted to ARBA for recognition?

Pruett 04-13-2009 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2575656)
Probably the first sentence of your earlier post.
And where does it say he introduced the Biewer to America?

Pruett 04-13-2009 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2575672)
What clubs submitted to ARBA for recognition?
The BBCI and BYTNC.

Micah my love 04-13-2009 02:02 PM
CRH Ansbach e v also registers Biewer yorkshire a la pom pon



Betty & Micah my love:aimeeyork


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