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Exactly! This is why I want to start our own organization - one that supports good breeders and pursues humane treatment for all creatures! :D

Because I lose so much energy debating about PETA.

Very Good Posting Ann and Thanks Megan's Mom for posting the article without pictures. You are right. There is not reason not to be informed. A few weeks back I read the article but on PETA's site. Elaine

Ann, if you decide to start this organization please let me know. I will gladly help. I think there is a lot we can all do to better our world and it's treatment of ALL animals. Elaine

Today is the first time I ever heard of CCF. My opinion of PETA stems from their owns words, the legislation they are trying to cram down our throats, their demonstration at Westminster this year where they wore KKK type white hoods and accused dog breeders of being dog killers. Their tactics, agenda and willingness to exploit the suffering of poor animals disgusts me.

If you didn't see the news coverage of the demonstration at Westminster this year, just google it.

Please educate yourself about the proposed anti-breeder legislation in your community. Much of it will punish good breeders while the abusive ones will continue. These are community problems and until communities come up with workable solutions, animals will continue to suffer and unwanted dogs and cats will continue to be destroyed. Everyone who loves animals wants them treated ethically. PETA does not have the corner on that. But I want to know that my great grandkids will be able to have a purebred puppy to love and PETA does not.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers...

Btw....PETA announces when they will come stage their protests at dog shows, hence our security measures we take when they attend. But of course now that they are getting out of hand, my dogs crates are pad locked unfortuntely

That is the problem- MOST people haven't heard of the CCF so they don't realize where the information is coming from and how unreliable it is. I understand your feelings about peta and I did hear about the demonstration. It is definitely an issue that I don't agree with personally.

We don't have to agree on everything. I do agree 100% that peta does not have the market cornered on a desire for animals to be treated ethically and I think that is wonderful. They are actually not even one of the organizations that receive the a large part of money that we donate. They are one of the biggest who have done the most for animals worldwide though. This thread was about the euthanasia rate that has been brought up multiple times on YT and hopefully those who had issue with it understand the reality better now, both from the article Kimberly posted and the actual statistics that Ann posted. I have said several times in every peta thread that I completely understand it isn't an organization for everyone and I completely respect that.

I am very familiar with my own state's proposed spay/neuter bill and somewhat informed about some of the other states'. I try to keep as up to date as possible on all bills and laws regarding animals. I am a big letter writer and phone caller and I make sure I have my facts straight from reliable, independent sources. We can have a difference of opinion without that meaning one of us in uninformed.;)

Good girl!
You are part of the solution.

I'm with you Ann.

With Elaine, that makes us a 3-member group so far!! Wait, I know Nikki+2 is in - we're up to 4 :p! Seriously, wouldn't that just be a dream? With the intelligent members of YT developing a great animal welfare agency? All the different opinions getting mashed up and combined into a win-win group. :D

Dare to dream... It could happen! Make it 5!

Ann, I love your idealism. Without people dreaming of something better, the whole world would just go right down the tubes.

I've had the germ of an idea of the folks at YorkieTalk getting together and forming a rescue. It seems that it's kind of done informally anyway. The 'Emma' thread got me to thinking about it more seriously. So many offered help to a girl that shouldn't have needed rescuing that I thought...hey, why not do it for dogs in serious need? YorkieTalk does, after all, have a nationwide reach. Could we not set up a fund and rescue some deserving dogs? They could then be adopted out and the funds from that could roll over to help another. Is this too crazy to be workable? There just seems to be so much good will here that it should be put to good use.

Honestly, I would love to see some sort of group formed here and would help in any way I could.

a YT rescue has been brought up many times. its just such a hard thing to do properly. Afterall, we only know each other here through the web and, nothing against anyone here, but i personally don't trust people fully that i haven't met. too many things can go wrong.

Wouldn't it be great? How wonderful to rescue/sponsor a certain little dog and we could all watch the journey to the new forever home. I love the idea, Jim. I wonder how we could do it.

I hear ya, Kellie, it could get complicated and things could happen that could really get complicated.

I think admin has considered this before at length and I think it was so complicated with logistics (not to mention some liability) that it wasn't moved forward. 'Course, never hurts to ask :p.

I've always believed that where there's a will, there's a way. I do think Admin. would have to be at least minimally involved but maybe not to the extent of having liability issues. I do understand Kellie's concerns but feel that it could be ironed out. For myself, I only 'know' a few people well but am willing to offer up my personal info to someone trusted, if that would help. Maybe we should toss this ball in the air one more time and see if it could be made to work.

Here are 2 links to newspaper articals, including the one where they were picking up animals from shelters and killing them. This was also on the news on TV.

PETA and Euthanasia | Newsweek Project Green | Newsweek.com

Better dead than fed, PETA says

You can also go to the site of the Virginia Dept of Ag. here and see the results from PETA's rescues.
VDACS Online Animal Reporting Better dead than fed, PETA says

In browsing around, it appears that the article in the OP is a response by Ingrid Newkirk to an article by Nathan Winograd. People can do their own search but it appears that Mr. Winograd is a credible critic of PETA. He is a lawyer with a background in the SPCA and has written a book titled 'Redemption'. You will get many hits if you google his name to find out more about him. Here is the link I found that connects him and Ms. Newkirk....Animal Rights - Change.org: PETA's Euthanasia/Killing Record: Ingrid Newkirk Responds

This is what I posted pages back, and I guess I'll say it again on this page -- this data shows a euthanasia rate of 22%. So, I'm not sure why you're posting this again. Was there a reason? :confused:

You kids in here playing nice? :D

In looking at the VDACS numbers, it seems to me that the animals listed in the 'other' column under the 'received' heading are those brought in to be spayed or neutered. In the 'reclaimed by owner' column under the 'disposition' heading, those look to be the above mentioned animals, though the numbers aren't an exact match. I don't think you would consider these animals in the euthanasia % because these animals were never in PETA's possession other than for spay/neuter. It seems like the 'stray, seized and surrendered by owner' animals would be the ones you would use against the number of animals euthanized. Sorry if I'm mis-reading but that is what I got from the chart.

I should explain that I interpret the chart the way I did in the above post due to seeing a scanned image of the form. In that image, the 'other' column breaks down where these animals came from and the vast majority are there only for spay/neuter and are reclaimed by the owners. This isn't explained in the online version of the chart. Here is a link to the PDF file...http://www.petakillsanimals.com/down...llsAnimals.pdf

I will say up front that the source of this is the CCF through a public records request. I'm sorry that I can't find a more agreeable source, but this is the only place where I've found what appears to be the actual document.

I just read the entire thread and I'm not getting into it except to say, I know someone from Peta would never put anitfreeze in a dog's bowl at a dog show or anywhere. They go to the absolute extreme to help animals in most cases and I think their passion may get a bit much some times. As far as the dog's crates, I do believe we do as a whole have our dogs spend way too much time in crates and that is not just show people with the traveling, hotel and off time at the shows. As a society many of us go to work and leave our dogs crated all day and I think they were trying to make that point.

I would also love to see YT create some kind of rescue effort! I can also see how it could turn into an enormous headache for admin. The effort would have to be led by someone s/he trusts implicitly (do I hear Wylie's Mom?). Maybe this would be a limited registration sister site of some kind.

Some things I could see happening:
- YT members form regular yorkie trains.
- The organization leader affiliates with one or more existing pet rescues and helps with fundraising, etc.
- Taking official positions on animal welfare bills and encouraging letter writing. I see articles about various bills and there's usually some argument about whether the legislation is well written. I have to admit I usually just end up confused. If someone(s) made a concerted effort to keep abreast of legislation and give informed opinions on whether to support it, I think that would be really helpful.

Just some thoughts!

Just as an add-on, I'd like to see a group that could select dogs to rescue. They could really be from almost anywhere if we had fosters in place where the dog could stay and get properly vetted while the perfect home was found. A Yorkie train could then bring him/her to their forever home. Too idealistic?

I'd like to add that YT already is doing great things for animals. I have learned a tremendous amount since joining. I'm sure YT has helped thousands of animals by providing a place to share all kinds of information.

It's just there still so much more to do for animals in this country, and it would be so great if this wonderful community could use its collective power to help.

When I look at PETA's numbers, I do not count the owner's that get their lost dogs back in their KILL numbers, if you figure that PETA had 1896 animals in 2007 that were actually shelter animals and they KILLED 1815 that is 96% of the animals they took in and only found homes for 17 that is really poor service for the animals.

Yes, I am sure they are helping them when they release them from their crates at the shows so they can run out into traffic and get hit by a car, or they get scared and run away and end up on their own in unfamiliar places and starve to death. Yep, that sure is helping them...........

I said at times their passion can be a bit too much and of course I wouldn't want it done outside and I don't think they would either. I'm sure some people aren't too happy with my post but this is something I have thought of for a very long time. They made their point and I was trying to make mine.

Why wouldn't you count animals that peta reunited with their owners?:confused: Though peta is not a shelter, any shelter would count ALL dogs in their statistics.

I'm also confused by the first two links you posted. The first was addressed before you even posted it by Kimberly's original link and then by Ann's link. Unless you wanted to debate the merits of kill vs. no kill shelters, which doesn't seem relevant to this particular thread, I don't get it. The second is an op-ed (opinion) piece based on the CCF's twisted campaign.