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lgoodall 03-30-2009 06:46 PM

Use the sherriff, an attorney, or whatever means neccessary to keep the little Yorkie. It's not "just a family matter" when the safety and welfare of a precious little dog is at stake. Your daughter isn't mature enough to take care of a flea. I have daughters too, and I know how they can be. She may be furious at you for awhile, but she'll eventually come around. She needs you too much. It does sound like the boyfriend is a control freak. If he likes larger dogs, in no way will they keep YOUR little yorkie. There's no telling where the poor thing might end up if they were to take
him. Besides, they've already mistreated him. That won't change.
Tucker's Mom

ldvpool7 03-30-2009 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Amoureux (Post 2550602)
As the mother of three grown up daughters I can only tell you what I would do and in my opinion there would not even be a debate about it. The puppy stays right where she is, with you. As a poster said here before, YOU are the pack leader of both. Hard as it may be you have to act on behalf of the one that can not talk.


You are the pack leader of both. No bargains, no discussions. BELEIVE ME I AM SPEAKING FROM THE HEART. I do know what you are going through. God bless me I have a 24 and 28 year old. They are so much smarter then me, I cant believe I got them this far. A pet is not much different then a child. If you the adult are not comfortable with the kids taking the dog, you must listen to your inner voice the dog stays with you. Your daughter will be furious with you for awhile.....but she will come around. You dont want to live with shoulda coulda woulda...why did I let them take Bella.

Good luck. DV

ldvpool7 03-30-2009 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by luvfla (Post 2550743)
Daughters will bully moms...have your husband put the hammer down. I don't know your daughter but it sounds to me like Bella would make her & 'boyfried' into a little 'family'. KIDS!!!!! ARRGGGG!!!!!


For sure! Right on time for Dad to say enough. The dog stays here. You too go on have a good time.

Mom2Lulu 03-30-2009 07:39 PM

If the boyfriend is as controlling as you think he is, then Bella is a reminder of your daughter's ex-boyfriend, and he may be wanting to rid himself of that reminder...controlling people do some crazy things. For that reason alone, I would not let her take Bella.

Bella belongs to you. There is no room for discussion on this. Stand firm and do not feel like you have to "explain" ANYTHING to her. You do not have to PROVE Bella is yours. She just is.

My son brought home a mixed pit pup. I wasn't happy about it, but acquiesed. I won't make that mistake again. The dog made a wasteland out of my backyard, and I am an avid gardener, so that was particularly difficult for me. Additionally, he was on a lead staked in the yard, because we don't have a fenced in back yard. I hate staking a dog. I also had 3 chickens, who were my pets. I came home one day from running errands and the dog had wriggled out of his collar, gotten loose and broke into my chicken pen. He killed my beloved Jasmine, and injured Dumpling. I was devastated. There were feathers all over my yard. I called my son, 17, and told him to come get the dog. It had to go. If he couldn't find a home for it, I could take him to a no kill shelter. I am a real softy, but on this, MY needs came first. He tried to procrastinate and even got his father (my ex) involved. His father told him he would take the dog, then a week later backed out, and told ds he would help him build a pen for the dog at my house. I did not relent. I gave him a time limit, and told him if his dad told him he would take the dog, then he needs to man up and follow through on what he said. The dog is now with his dad.

I am so sick of people not taking responsibility for their actions. I have learned with my children that sometimes the best lessons are the ones they learn the hard way.

You know, it is OKAY that you want to keep Bella because you have grown to love her and have been her caregiver. You need to tell your daughter that her irresponsibility over the last 15 months where Bella is concerned (and a hit or miss bag of dog food doesn't count) has made her unqualified to take care of Bella. And, you, as a mother are qualified to make that judgement.

Now, about this whole baby thing. If you do not put your foot down with Bella, you can bet the next thing that will be dumped on you is a baby. If you look at it that way, the decision is easy. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the way I see it.

Jemma 03-31-2009 12:38 PM

Mary
 
Is the dog registered to your daughter? If not, you need no lawyer, police or anyone else. She's yours. Hey Mary, as tough as it is, and it always is when we love our kids, this time you really need to say No, and follow it immediately with the whys. Then it's end of subject. Maybe this will be the first time in her life that she simply isn't going to get what she wants. This is your time now Mama. And it's time you came out a winner, don't you think? wink wink

roxies_mom 03-31-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jemma (Post 2553776)
Is the dog registered to your daughter? If not, you need no lawyer, police or anyone else. She's yours. Hey Mary, as tough as it is, and it always is when we love our kids, this time you really need to say No, and follow it immediately with the whys. Then it's end of subject. Maybe this will be the first time in her life that she simply isn't going to get what she wants. This is your time now Mama. And it's time you came out a winner, don't you think? wink wink

:goodpost:

cinigee 03-31-2009 01:24 PM

I agree with the others, I wouldn't let that little one out of my site. It is your baby and your responsibility. Protect that little one at all costs.

maxs_momma 04-01-2009 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jemma (Post 2553776)
Is the dog registered to your daughter? If not, you need no lawyer, police or anyone else. She's yours. Hey Mary, as tough as it is, and it always is when we love our kids, this time you really need to say No, and follow it immediately with the whys. Then it's end of subject. Maybe this will be the first time in her life that she simply isn't going to get what she wants. This is your time now Mama. And it's time you came out a winner, don't you think? wink wink

She is akc registered under my name and address and she is also micro-chipped under my name and address.

I have been told that in Indiana pets are considered personal property and that only a judge could decide if she has "abandoned" her. So now I know she would have to take me to court to fight for her.

Lorraine 04-01-2009 06:51 AM

I am so glad you have her and have actually rescued this little girl. So now you can enjoy your little Yorkie as she is yours.

maxs_momma 04-01-2009 06:56 AM

So do you all think with everything in my name like the akc papers and the micro-chip that ownership won't be a issue? I sure hope so because that would be great!

Lorraine 04-01-2009 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by maxs_momma (Post 2555371)
So do you all think with everything in my name like the akc papers and the micro-chip that ownership won't be a issue? I sure hope so because that would be great!

Absolutely.:)

maxs_momma 04-01-2009 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 2555381)
Absolutely.:)



YAY!!!!!! Feeling better already! :)

megansmomma 04-01-2009 07:19 AM

I guess I am going to jump into this one ;) I have 2 "adult" children just about the same age as your daughter so I know exactly were you are coming from. Your daughter has acted irresponsible in for the well being of "her" puppy. Do not be a softy and give in to her. The pup is registered to you, microchipped to you, and you have paid the vet bills and taken care of it for months. She has sadly acted irresponsible for the care of her pet for a very long time. I would hands down tell her she was not getting this dog out of your house. She has a lot of growing up to do before she can be considered responsible for another living creature and you have a responsibility to put your foot down and just tell her NO! It is amazing how just because they graduate from HS and go on to college they all of a sudden think they have a right to being considered responsible adults. :confused: Being responsible comes from your own personal actions and not from a birthday.

Just tell her NO, like you did when she was 5 and wanted that pony! :rolleyes: She will live and learn you will see. You might feel really bad now but in your heart you know you are doing the right thing for all involved or you would not have come back to YT for support. You knew when you came here what the answer you would get would be and now take that and run with it! Put you foot down~MOM! ;)

maxs_momma 04-01-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2555417)
I guess I am going to jump into this one ;) I have 2 "adult" children just about the same age as your daughter so I know exactly were you are coming from. Your daughter has acted irresponsible in for the well being of "her" puppy. Do not be a softy and give in to her. The pup is registered to you, microchipped to you, and you have paid the vet bills and taken care of it for months. She has sadly acted irresponsible for the care of her pet for a very long time. I would hands down tell her she was not getting this dog out of your house. She has a lot of growing up to do before she can be considered responsible for another living creature and you have a responsibility to put your foot down and just tell her NO! It is amazing how just because they graduate from HS and go on to college they all of a sudden think they have a right to being considered responsible adults. :confused: Being responsible comes from your own personal actions and not from a birthday.

Just tell her NO, like you did when she was 5 and wanted that pony! :rolleyes: She will live and learn you will see. You might feel really bad now but in your heart you know you are doing the right thing for all involved or you would not have come back to YT for support. You knew when you came here what the answer you would get would be and now take that and run with it! Put you foot down~MOM! ;)

I think I am gonna do one better I am gonna let her dad tell her no lol. She won't listen to me so maybe she will listen to him.

I told her no and she just ignored me and said well I will be there to get her this weekend.

Conjure_Girl 04-01-2009 08:45 AM

A New Question — cleaning my puppy's eyes
 
Hi all, I am new here, so forgive me if I am not following a specific protocol.

My puppy is 13 weeks old, and I got her only 4 days ago. So far she's been great.
I am wondering about tips regarding cleaning her eyes. I read somewhere about using a wet washcloth. My husband and I tried it, but it doesn't work very well. :confused:

Thanks

lgoodall 04-01-2009 10:31 AM

How well do you get along with her Dad? Will he back you or his daughter.? Does he realize how irresponsible she is? Can you have a friend keep the dog for a little while when she comes to get it.?Do whatever you have to do to keep the poor little thing. You're saving it from abuse. I wouldn't trust the bf further than I could throw him. I have daughters also. One isn't speaking to be at the present. She'll need something soon, and she'll be calling. Tucker's Mom

maxs_momma 04-01-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lgoodall (Post 2555786)
How well do you get along with her Dad? Will he back you or his daughter.? Does he realize how irresponsible she is? Can you have a friend keep the dog for a little while when she comes to get it.?Do whatever you have to do to keep the poor little thing. You're saving it from abuse. I wouldn't trust the bf further than I could throw him. I have daughters also. One isn't speaking to be at the present. She'll need something soon, and she'll be calling. Tucker's Mom

The dad i was refering to is he stepdad but she calls him dad and yes he is on the same page with me about this :)

roxies_mom 04-01-2009 12:42 PM

If everythings in your name there is no problem at all. She can claim it's hers all she wants. But if she takes it without you knowing about it, all you have to do is have th police make her surrender it. You show the paper work with your name on everything and that's all you have to have. It would hurt to have to take it that far but it's for the well-fare of the dog. Someone has to take control of the situation and look out for the dog. I'm glad to hear all the papers are in your name that just makes it all that much easier for you.

maxs_momma 04-05-2009 11:41 AM

Ok now there is a whole new twist :( First let me update...hubby told her no and said end of story but it did no good she told him she's my dog end of story so the fight continues.

Ok so now she is saying that I have ran up a credit card in her name :eek: She says that I got a credit card in her name when she was a minor and that I ran it up and didn't pay it and that she is now going to file fraud charges against me! I do know that she lied and did get a couple in her name before she was 18 and I demanded that they be destroyed and for her to never ever do anything like that again. But now she is saying that I got a five thousand dollar WAMU card in her name and ran it up and didn't pay so now it is over 6 grand. Yes I do have a WAMU card well I did have in my name and I did put her as a authorized user so that she could go buy school clothes but it was only a 1500 card not no 5000! And it is was under my name not hers and I paid the payments on it.

Ok a little more to the story after she destroyed the cards I am assuming that she filed that she had lost them and had new ones sent because she still has them. She ran teh one card up so high and didn't pay it that it had a balance of 1700 on it and like a idiot when they called me about it I offered to help her out by making payments on it. But now I am being accused of something totally off the wall! I don't know what to do I am so sick to my stomach over this right now :( . She just told my husband today (after he told her no she couldn't take the dog) that she has spoken to the authorities and can have me arrested in the blink of an eye for fraud. This is so crazy I never dreamed in million years that telling her she cannot have the dog would cause her to come up with something like this :( .

yorkiesmiles 04-05-2009 11:57 AM

Mary, you have an entirely different issue there. I hope you have kept copies of every credit card statement. If not start contacting any present & former credit card companies & requesting statements or go get them online.

Get her name off of anything you have your name on. For some reason this little lady is out with an vengeance - warranted or not. Sounds like the boyfriend may be behind this - but sadly it seems your dd is good at cooking stuff up. (I pray in time she comes around)

Who filed the FAFSA for this young lady to continue college next year? Was it you or is she filing as an independent college student? I would have trouble filing anything with her right now - but like others have said her staying in college is so important.

maxs_momma 04-05-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiesmiles (Post 2562711)
Mary, you have an entirely different issue there. I hope you have kept copies of every credit card statement. If not start contacting any present & former credit card companies & requesting statements or go get them online.

Get her name off of anything you have your name on. For some reason this little lady is out with an vengeance - warranted or not. Sounds like the boyfriend may be behind this - but sadly it seems your dd is good at cooking stuff up. (I pray in time she comes around)

Who filed the FAFSA for this young lady to continue college next year? Was it you or is she filing as an independent college student? I would have trouble filing anything with her right now - but like others have said her staying in college is so important.

She filed the fafsa herself using all mine and hubby's info. We didn't have anything to do with it. Honestly we didn't even know she had filed it until we got a letter in the mail telling us about it. I called the credit card company and they said being that I closed the account a year ago that they have nothing on file :( This is all a huge mess and it is killing me how did she end up so evil I still blame it on the B/F because I don't think she could cook this kind of thing up on her own.

MollysMum54 04-05-2009 12:16 PM

Do you think that money could be behind all this then? I wonder if DD was planning to take Bella back, let her become unhappy, and then offer her back to you ....at a price? She (or probably the boyfriend) may see this as a way of making money out of you, because they know you are attached to Bella. My heart goes out to you, having your daughter behave in this way. Hope you can make her see sense, although it sounds unlikely. Prayers and thoughts are with you. :(

yorkiesmiles 04-05-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by maxs_momma (Post 2562727)
She filed the fafsa herself using all mine and hubby's info. We didn't have anything to do with it. Honestly we didn't even know she had filed it until we got a letter in the mail telling us about it. I called the credit card company and they said being that I closed the account a year ago that they have nothing on file :( This is all a huge mess and it is killing me how did she end up so evil I still blame it on the B/F because I don't think she could cook this kind of thing up on her own.

I don't understand how she filed the FAFSA? Did you give her access to your tax return :confused: -- this requires accurate information. And most universities also want a copy of the parents tax returns. This also tells me that she must have a copy or know the ss # for both you & your hubby - that in itself is scary!

I hope you kept your credit card statements - I treat this just like any other financial record & hang on to mine for at least 7 years

Chance 04-05-2009 12:30 PM

I reallly think your daughter is just making threats about the law. As far as the credit cards go, cancel the ones with her name on them, or if that isn't possible cause of the amounts can't be paid off now, at least take her name off them. If you are paying for her to go to college, stop! She is 18, she thinks she is an adult, let her prove it. In Indiana as with most states, pets are property. You have the rights, considering all the paper work is in your name you pay the vet bills. The dog has been with you all the time except for a few nights, is that right? If so didn't you just let "your dog" go stay all night a couple of times with her "non-four legged big sister", understand what I mean? I has always been your puppy, she just trys to claim it.

Chance 04-05-2009 12:40 PM

If she did the FAFSA without you or your husband. Did she commit fraud herself? If so I would tell her that. You probably need to change the locks on your doors, if she has the key. She or her bf, may even try to still your furbaby, and if not I just wouldn't not trust her or him for that matter.

lgoodall 04-05-2009 03:33 PM

This daughter is a real piece of work. Under no circumstances should she have this dog. Hold fast.
She's trying to wear you down. If you give up now, she'll know how to get to you, and your problems with her will never cease. Hopefully, she will mature as she gets older; or maybe when the boyfriend dumps her.

maxs_momma 04-05-2009 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiesmiles (Post 2562744)
I don't understand how she filed the FAFSA? Did you give her access to your tax return :confused: -- this requires accurate information. And most universities also want a copy of the parents tax returns. This also tells me that she must have a copy or know the ss # for both you & your hubby - that in itself is scary!

I hope you kept your credit card statements - I treat this just like any other financial record & hang on to mine for at least 7 years

I am pretty sure she knows both our ss#'s from the previous year that she filed. I am not sure how she did it this time because I didn't give her any info or copies of anything. That makes me very curious now to how she got it hmmmm she hasn't even been in our house since last year. Well not that we know of anyway.

maxs_momma 04-05-2009 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MollysMum54 (Post 2562732)
Do you think that money could be behind all this then? I wonder if DD was planning to take Bella back, let her become unhappy, and then offer her back to you ....at a price? She (or probably the boyfriend) may see this as a way of making money out of you, because they know you are attached to Bella. My heart goes out to you, having your daughter behave in this way. Hope you can make her see sense, although it sounds unlikely. Prayers and thoughts are with you. :(

I totally believe that because money is her best friend always has been and probably always will be :(

maxs_momma 04-05-2009 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chance (Post 2562753)
I reallly think your daughter is just making threats about the law. As far as the credit cards go, cancel the ones with her name on them, or if that isn't possible cause of the amounts can't be paid off now, at least take her name off them. If you are paying for her to go to college, stop! She is 18, she thinks she is an adult, let her prove it. In Indiana as with most states, pets are property. You have the rights, considering all the paper work is in your name you pay the vet bills. The dog has been with you all the time except for a few nights, is that right? If so didn't you just let "your dog" go stay all night a couple of times with her "non-four legged big sister", understand what I mean? I has always been your puppy, she just trys to claim it.

Yes since Dec. 07 she has only had the dog with her for a few nights and 99% of those nights was while she was still living here and went to spend the night with grandparents.

I got exactly what you mean and that is the story I am giong to stick to :).

maxs_momma 04-05-2009 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chance (Post 2562767)
If she did the FAFSA without you or your husband. Did she commit fraud herself? If so I would tell her that. You probably need to change the locks on your doors, if she has the key. She or her bf, may even try to still your furbaby, and if not I just wouldn't not trust her or him for that matter.

Hmmm not sure but it may be fraud being that i didn't give her permission. And as of last week the locks are changed. She is having a major fit to because we won't give her a key. I told her you don't live here there is no reason for you to have one but of course she is how she is and doesn't understand that at all.


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