Petland in Canada vs. Petland in the USA
 

I went to Petland here (in Saskatchewan, Canada) one day and asked the store manager if they bought their puppies from puppymills. He said that he has heard lots of stories about the US stores selling puppymill pups and that they weren't under the same ownership. He told me that the US stores, although they share the same name, are under completely different ownership, and even have different head offices and rules for their company. He told me that they get their puppies from local breeders and they are randomly checked up on, etc. He even told me that if I want to get a puppy from their store (which I absolutely totally did NOT want to, I was just curious) I could even go on these random checks and view some of the breeders and the puppies. :rolleyes:

I don't know about this, has anyone else heard that Petland in the USA is different from Petland in Canada?

I would never buy from a pet store anyway, but it would be nice to know that Canada's petland's puppies don't come from puppy mills!

Well the first thing that comes to mind is that NO serious breeder will
sell their pups to a pet store.
Face it, all pups have to come from some breeder but not the breeder's
who breed to make the breed better. These breeders are called
"Puppymills and BYB". Same story different location. He's not being
honest or he's thinks these breeder's are not puppymills.
Maybe you can educate him.

In Canada, if a breeder sells to a pet store, they will be suspended and deprived of priviledges of the Canadian Kennel Club. The yorkies that I was looking at in Petland last night were shipped there from Quebec, which just so happens to be Canada's puppymill capital. When I asked the lady "what breeder in Quebec" she said "the papers don't say so it must have been from another one of our stores". It's up to you to believe what you want, but any reputable breeder will NOT sell their puppies to a petstore not knowing who is going to buy them. A reputable breeder screens their buyers to be sure their puppies are going to good homes.

Thank you!

I'm from Calgary and had asked the same questions and got the same answer, bull tweet, they come from Canadian Puppymills like Quebec, if they were from breeders why are the dog label yorkie type? If they are from Breeder they would know the type of dog and should come with papers, and AKA registered.

They say the same thing in US stores!

Petland is a franchise, so they all have different owners. And they all say that.

You make a good point! I would never purchase from a pet store, but I was just curious..and maybe wanted to start an argument with the manager :grin2:

I like this LOL. How do we go on a SCHEDULED random check? What a bunch of idiots. Too bad so many fall into the puppy trap. Poor puppies:thumbdown

ok, so i know this thread is rather out dated but I came accross it randomly and would like to set things straight

I live up here in Canada and have known the Petland company for a long while. They do in fact have breeders, some registered and some not. The ones that aren't registered does not mean "puppy mill". It means the puppies from those litters aren't pure breds and don't meet the requirements for the Canadian Kennel Club (size, height, etc. for the purebreds) and so, they become a "type".

Also, each store has ONE person go and pick out the puppies to sell. If they see that the facilities are not meeting certain (high) standards, then there is no deal. Any point in time managers or the owners can go to these facilities for a nice little surprise inspection.

And one more thing, an important rule for the breeders that Petland uses is that the female dog can not be used for breeding more than twice in her life time and not back to back pregnancies.

Personally I think adopting from an animal shelter is certainly a good way to go because those pets can be put down after a while. (depends on the facility). Petland has a no kill policy so their puppies stay until they are adopted. (Or move to a new location to try it's luck there)

P.S. "type" sometimes means that there is potential that somewhere in it's family tree, there could have been a different breed mixed in there, no matter how pure it is now.

:yeahthat:

Newbies first post is to defend a post about a store and set the record straight...things that make you say "hmmmmm ye "randomly"...okay.ye right!" I was born yesterday and can read and write today...please a pet store takes in hmm "nonperfect" pups and then regulates their breeding practices of contracted breeders...again ye k I'm not even renting it...

Well guess what my little molly is from pet land!!!! She has AKC papers. Before I got her they gave me the name address and phone number of her breeder. Contacted the breeder and checked them out, they have 6 dogs they keep in their house that get full attention from their 3 kids. I got to see and pet the sire and dam. She gave me a copy of the pedigree so I could see it then. And a PLUS was they only lived an hour and a half away so were pretty local. I went the following day and purchased my Molly!!! So idc about all you pals hype about pet store puppies. Im sure some r from puppy mills but not all are. I know some breeders have champion dogs that once they start breeding live the rest of their life in a metal cage, wow what a great life.

Originally Posted by kagali16 "Also, each store has ONE person go and pick out the puppies to sell. If they see that the facilities are not meeting certain (high) standards, then there is no deal....Petland has a no kill policy so their puppies stay until they are adopted"

Now...does this even make sense? What happens to the puppies that are not hand picked to go to the petstore? What happens to the dogs (because they did not get bought as puppies) that they "don't" kill? Perhaps, dropped off to some shelter or used in some breeding facility? And what about older puppies who are "tried out" at a new location? Who is socializing them? Paying for their vet bills? Petstore owners...out of the goodness of their hearts??? NOT Good Breeders DO NOT sell to petstores!!! To believe anything else is to be naive or delusional. I'm glad Molly's doing well...but don't believe for a heartbeat that your precious furbabies Mom is somewhere being forced to breed over and over and over again. And that her littermates are sitting in another petstore waiting for someone to come along to buy them. Breeders selling to petstores are doing it for the $$$$$, not for the love of the dog.

99% of all pet store puppies come from PUPPY MILLS. That is a known fact. It's not a "hype"...

And yes there are bad breeders of every kind. I'd like to see you post a link of the source where you say champion dogs live in a metal cage. I believe it probably does happen, and no one here is a supporter of that, but I'd be interested to hear where you are getting your facts.

I don't care how nice the person was you got your dog from, NO responsible breeder would ever sell their puppies through a pet store. Especially a chain such as Petland.



Btw, this thread is old. :)

Even show champions are owner by bad breeders and often bred like pup mill dogs...just watch the Animal Planet Houseton SPCA...the AKC champion Cockier Spaniels, all 20 some of them matted, caged, nails over grown sores on them in the raid-just vilely treated as pup mill dog in a barn...but wow they showed the front office and the trophies, awards...all of them famous AKC Champions now caged and bred out litter after litter pups sold for high values online.

It happens...anyone know who the co-owners/handlers were? They were all co-owned and many of the co-owners were able to take them as they had no clue and the people mistreating them were doing this-well known national handlers for a couple breeds with year experience-who did actually go to jail for a couple years...AKC papers don't mean squat at the end of the day, reputations of people don't either, champion bloodlines mean they breed to standards and very well...

I believe the true test is how they adopt out pups...oh threw a pet store, online, personally if you hear of a champion AKC dog being sold through a pet store you'd better pinch yourself at least BYB do so because they have no false reputation to lean on...health guarentees, genetic testing etc show better breeding practices but still do not speak to the treatment of the animals and the concern they go to responsible homes. Plus I just doubt this was really the case with these pet store pups-how many pup mills swear champion linage yet don't show it AKC registration or not...after the first grandparent ugh champion bloodlines claims are mute btw.

You'd be surprised by how many puppies get sold. They all go home before they turn 1. Usually before 6 months, even. Petland covers all of their vet bills and vaccinations so I don't see a problem with that...And let me ask you: why would someone work at Petland if they didn't love animals?

Oh pick me to answer!

A pay check...explaining animal behavior is all cause and effect with the rare exception of neurological issues, explaining human behavior hurts my brain even when the reasoning is explained.

Kind of the same reason the lady who had the stray dog I found whom was later stray again and abandoned was a licensed veterinary technician and the local animal ER...her dog ended up at the pound and was taken to rescue as she didn't care to get it ponder that one...

Here's the first 5 links that popped up via Google not by Petland:
The Voice for Dogs.org What Petland doesn't want you to kow! First hand account of abuse behind closed doors as told by ex-employee Let's end dog abuse now!
Petland: Caught Selling Sick Puppies?Again
Lewisville Petland closed already! Petland Protestors
xxiotaxx: the REAL truth about Petland. **** you.
truth about petland puppies - Google Search

I'd like to remind everyone that I am talking about Canadian Petlands. The one I worked at treated the puppies with lots of love. We even named some of them :) Also, I am all for adopting from shelters. I think that is the best thing to do but from my experience with Canadian Petlands, all of the animals are cared for probably and well.

HOW in the name of all that is decent does a person take her own dog's innocent little puppies and turn them over to a store to sell them to whatever kind of being walks in the door with the money? How does any so-called breeder go to sleep that night knowing those little things are out there with no assurance of the type of home that little life is going to wind up in. No real dog lover could ever ever ever ever place their dog's puppies in any home she didn't agree to after long conversations and a confirming visit from the potential buyer and whatever else is required. What if some young couple buys one for their twin toddlers? Or someone who works 60 hours a week buys it and sticks it in a cage most of its life? Luckily, some of them do go to loving homes but how can the breeder or seller know without the old interview process. How could any humane person just turn their puppies over to the store manager and the shoddy lack of care they are going to get while at that store and walk out on those puppies? Jeeze, I will never get that!!!

Giving puppies names and treating them with love while going about one's work duties is hardly the same as that pup going from momma and its siblings into the arms and home of his new forever family who spends the day and night attending to its little needs and lavishing it with love. What happens to that puppy when it leaves your store?

kagali16 what's your motivation here? I'm not trying to sound rude, but genuinely asking.

To just promote Canada's Petland stores or what?

This is the only thread on here you show interest in and you just happened to randomly stumble on it...hmmmmmm....ye k. Did you know many of the Canadian Petland stores (like many other large chains) buy their pups from US pup mills many in Missouri the pup mill capital of the US?

If what you say is true, I'm very glad you enjoyed your work there, and hope you made the pups as comfortable as possible...

From everything you said sounds like the bare minimum of care...medically responsible puppy brokers...I know I only posted American links but that was the first 5 Google had...here's the first 5 Google results for Canada Petland that are not Petland Sponsored or direct Petland sites...the second one is very interesting...the last is a video in case you don't want to read, an undercover review from Canada's most infamous consumer reporting news investigations...(I about vommitted after seeing pups in glass display cases)...FYI PIJAC represents Petland, they do a majority of their puppy purchasing...from the US pup mill!Oh and siting the USDA certifications is pathetic!
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AWESOME POST!!!!

I think Kagali is missing that very important link. We're not talking sweaters here, we're talking living breathing creatures with thoughts and needs. A sweater gets manufactured, passed on to a distributor and then it finds itself a home in a dresser drawer. A dog that goes to a store like PetLand goes through the exact same process with no thought or feeling.

I happen to believe breeders should have higher standards. The breeding pair should be health tested, should be great representations of the breed, their lines should be known, and most importantly, the breeder should care enough about their dogs to want to place puppies themselves. Passing a dog on to a pet store like PetLand tells me (the consumer) that they don't care about their dogs since they can't be bothered to find a puppy a home that THEY brought into this world. All they want is to see money in their hands.
That is not the kind of person I ever plan to seek when getting any pups in my future. My pup is family. I want him to have felt important enough to matter from the time that he is born, to the day he crosses the rainbow bridge. I feel that I can only have that if I start with a quality breeder.

:thumbup: You're right! No humane person could ever do such a thing.:(

Petland here in Canada; I wish the FEDS would make it illegal to sell any dogs or cats in Pet stores, period, full stop. Only have the ability to put on "adopt a pet", where rescue organizations and or shelters can showcase some pets for adoption.

No reputable breeder will knowingly allow their precious puppies to be sold in a pet store.

I agree! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
My 'no pet store sell' list is much longer though,
1. Dogs
2. Cats
3. Chinchillas as most come from "chin farms" which are just the equivalent to pup mills not to mention pet stores fail to provide them with adequate diet, cages, and understanding they are nocturnal.
4. I've issues with many "exotic" pets reptiles, rodents etc, that can not only be invasive species surviving in the wild habitats they are transported to causing serious health, safety and environmental issues: but are part of major animal trafficking organizations involving various types of criminals, and often are taken directly from the wild bred indiscriminately, abused, off spring bred in captivity excessively tortured and or sold in stores as pets...
5. oh I could go on...

FEDS is Canada though too?
Are you English by chance I noted you used the phrase "full stop" not a typical French Canadian trait...I'm just nosy.:p

Feds is Canadian too, after all we do have a federal gov't so short form Feds. And I'm not French Canadian just Canadian. Most Canadians don't describe themselves as XXX Canadian. You are Canadian or not, as far as I see it. We all have like the Americans do, 3rd or 4th generation settlers from different countries, but we don't go oh I'm Irish Canadian, or Scottish Canadian, or Indian Canadian. Quebecois do often say I'm French Canadian. ;)

I see, I've always heard people use the differentiation in being French Canadian and thought maybe it was like here in how American's specify their distant national origins. Thanks for the added info, learn something new everyday.

:thumbup: I vote for this!