Biewer vs Yorkie
 

What is the difference?? Are they actually two different breeds? I have seen things that say they are Yorkies, and other things say they are a different breed.... :confused: I am confused.

from my understanding (only from reading this forum) they are now considered thier own breed.

I don't think that can be answered at this time with the information, we have, and there is still a lot of debate among the Biewer breeders, I believe there are three different clubs. The Biewer started in Germany with one family breeding them, and it is said that they bred two standard yorkies; some people argue this point, and believe since they also bred other dogs, perhaps there was an "accident." Biewers are definitely closely related to Yorkies, but whether or not they have some other breed mixed in with them remains to be seen. DNA testing at this time only gives us enough information to "indicate" several things, not to prove things. Several members here have Biewers, and I've read that they are more laid back than traditional yorkies, which makes me lean slightly toward thinking they might have another breed mixed in with them. Personality traits are inherited just like physical traits. Because they originated in Germany, Biewers don't call for the docked tail, which is standard in the United States for Yorkies. They would like to be able to register with the American Kennel Club, as a separate breed because, I believe, that's the only way they can get into the AKC club. Since they are a relatively new breed, finding a good breeder becomes very difficult; many newbie breeders have jumped on the bandwagon, and since they can't be registered with the AKC as yet, some unscrupulous breeders are advertising all sorts of dogs as Biewers. If you are thinking of obtaining one, it would be wise to read all you can about them, they have a very specific spotting pattern; they are not just a multicolored Yorkie, and of course find the best breeder you can.

Only one club (there are 4 clubs in total in the US) believes this is a separate breed and are not Yorkies. I do wonder why members of that club come on here to sell/market their non-yorkie dogs....aren't they breaking the rules?:rolleyes:

So, is there a size difference? As a pet, would there be much difference? I am going to do more searching on them...

They are basically the same size, according to one club the standard is 4-8 pounds, for Yorkies, it's 7 pounds and below. The Wikipedia link has some good informtion, and seems unbiased. It also has some links to some of the clubs. Biewer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:thumbup: great informative post.. thanks :)

Just so you know this information can be posted by any dog club. In this case most of it is posted by the BTCA so it would be their philosophy that is posted.

So, what is the difference between a Biewer and a Parti?? Is it just the specific markings on a Biewer?

Yes, I understand that, but you can also post your views as well.

Hmmm until another club removes it.:(

There are tons of threads about this and in most cases they become heated but you will learn more than you wanted if you read some of these threads. My recommendation is to to use the search button and type in Parti and read some of these threads. You can then read threads on Biewers and draw your own conclusion.

The Parti is a Yorkshire Terrier that is white multicolored, with no specific marking. They are considered a color fault by the Yorkshire Terrier Club of American, and they frown on their purposeful breeding of dogs that aren't to standard. They are allowed to be registered by the AKC, but aren't allowed to be shown, since they don't meet breed standard. They follow the same rules for standard, besides the coloring, as other yorkies, including the docked tail. Here again, you have to be careful with finding a breeder because many newbies who want to make a fast buck, are taking advantage of the Biewer's popularity, and breeding Parties.

Nancy1999 is right about Wikipedia being unbiased.

The situation on wikipedia got out of control when a certain member from another club erased every bit of information the BTCA, Inc. had posted. Wikipedia was informed and they went in and posted what they felt was an accurate presentation of the breed.

Wikipedia removed who they felt needed to be removed.

Interesting post,maybe you can share with us how many paying members your club has and the reason why the BBCI dropped the Yorkshire Terrier and now changed the name to Biewer a la' pom pon.

What does this have to do with the "price of eggs" as they say. Your club does not believe these are Yorkies...so why are your members selling their puppies on this forum.

I would ask the same question if collie breeders came on this website selling their dogs.

I think you meant the article was biased as it was written by your club to show favoritism to what your club believes...not what every Biewer club believes.

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Sorry when I used the word biased I meant it didn't seem biased. Probably every book and article out there is biased in some way, but Wikepedia seems like a fair site. I have no knowledge of the actual differences between the clubs, and reading about the differences gets weary, but the Wikipedia site does give links to several clubs where someone could do more research. If the link to your club isn't listed, you could request this. There is also a discussion feature where they are asking for more input. Many Yorkietalk members just want to know the very basics when asking a question such as what are the differences between a Yorkie and a Biewer. They are not yet interested in all the drama behind the scenes. I think if there were less drama some of the rest of us would like to learn more.

Couldn't you just answer the OP's question, and say something like, "actually there is much discussion on whether or not the yorkie and the biewer are two different breeds, there are some Biewer clubs that believe abc and some who believe xyz, and then state what you believe? Or just state what you believe. Giving us a definition on the word biased doesn't really seem to help.

I was not trying to start an argument.... just was wondering because I read both.
Sorry :(

Speaking down to the members of this forum as though we are uneducated peons does not help resolve problems. You would achieve a lot more if you just answered the question instead.
You are right that the BTCA believes that this breed is separate from the Yorkie but we are all in agreement that it did evolve from the Yorkie and is now a close cousin to the Yorkie.
A simple email from Mars to someone cannot replace the hours of teleconferencing that has actually taken place between Mars and the BTCA and all of the scientific paperwork and research papers we have received from them. We are not talking about the simple test you send in from your vet. By keeping an open mind far more will be achieved. We can see that some are starting to get what the BTCA has been saying and are dropping the Yorkshire Terrier from their dogs and club names.

There is no need for you to apologize :). You're just seeking information.

Thank you for your post, I feel like I learned something from it.

You did not start an argument :), the arguement has been going on for a loooooong time, lol. Please don't feel that way. There are many members here with Parti Yorkies and with Biewers. If you want to know more about the differences/similarities in the actual dogs, (not who is right or who is wrong or which club is the almighty, and which is not, lol) I'm sure many of these members will be happy to talk about their "kids". If you go to the top of the page and use the search and type in Parti or Biewer, you will find tons of threads, some similar to this one, and many that are not. Lots of info to read :):) By the way, welcome to YT :):)

The Biewer Terrier is a cousin to the Yorkshire Terrier, and this is the audience that is interested in the Biewer Terrier.

I would ask the same question if an ophthalmologist tried selling a blind man reading glasses.

You just asked a question. :) The answer to that question depends on who you ask. As you can tell, there is no universal agreement on it at this point. Unfortunately, no one can offer their views and opinions regarding the situation without being "challenged" by someone else and the whole ordeal turned into an argument. I tend to think that most of the members here on as pretty intelligent creatures capable of forming their own opinions and beliefs without having to have one line of thought being forced upon them, but hey, apparently some feel otherwise.

Sorry you got such a bad response with one of your firsts posts. :(

It is okay, it is interesting to see both sides. I just didn't mean for it to turn into a argument.
I am LOVING this forum and just as in love with the Yorkie....

How is a Biewer a cousin to the Yorkie when it was directly out of 2 yorkies??

You can read here and see some photos, IMO Biewers are Yorkies
The Biewer Breed Club of America... History of the Biewer

Is there a difference in size or temperament or is it just a difference in color?

To me , Just the color. Each dog of any breed can have different temperaments.