Rare colored yorkies?
 

I found a breeders website today and she bred rare colored yorkies. I remember there was golden and tri- colored yorkies on there and they where akc. I didn't know there could be other colors ?

By the looks of it, it all looked like mix-breeds for a bit the way she put the colors it seemed like it was a breed over a color. Does that make sense?

I was wondering does anyone have a rare colored yorkie?
Or seen one?

Could you PM me the website?

I have never seen a yorkie in person other then the blue and tan or a black and tan. Would love to see a website. :)

There are a few people on YT that have "rare" colored yorkies. There are also ALOT of threads on YT about "rare" colored yorkies as well. These dogs are not bred to the YTCA standard of the breed, or any Yorkie standard in other countries. These threads get pretty heated. Alot of passionate people reguarding this issue. But dont let the term "rare" fool you. Its just a marketing ploy so these "breeders" can jack the price up on these puppies. Same with the term T-cup, micro-mini, etc.

As yorkiekist stated, there are several members here on YT who either breed or own non-standard colored Yorkies. Not sure what site you are looking at and I'm certainly not an expert on the off colored little ones, but chances are that maybe what you saw WERE actually mixed breeds. I'm sure there are quite a few scammers out there trying to pass off mixes as full bred Yorkies so that they can capitalize on "rare" Yorkies. Some of the off colored dogs pull in quite a high amount for the breeders who produce them.

This site has some great information on off colored yorkies, Top Yorkie Genetics Chocolate Yorkies Chocolate Yorkie Red Golden Blue Born Yorkshire Terrier. I agree with the others, the term rare is used as a marketing ploy and when a breeder uses the term, run the other way.

I am a breeder of Parti colored yorkies ...

There are probably more members here who own or breed non standard colored yorkies than we are led to believe, since only a small percentage of dogs are correctly colored, per the YTCA's color standards.

Black coated yorkies, light blue or too dark of blue coated yorkies, yorkies who have dark hairs mixed in their tan coloring - they are all considered to be "not to standard." It's not just parti, chocolate or golden breeders who own and/or breed that have "non-standard" colors, it's any color other than steel blue and tan yorkies.

Just as you have traditional colored yorkie breeders who scam the public, you will also find golden, parti and chocolate breeders who are out to make a quick buck and to try to capitalize on the "rare" colored dog. To them, it doesn't matter how they get the color - a scammer is a scammer no matter how you look at it; no matter what colored yorkie they are trying to sell.

Best advise I can give you is, educate yourself on color genetics, get references on breeders, do your research on bloodlines (to see where the recessive color gene is coming from), look at the parents and grown siblings of the off colored pup before you buy (a line of unattractive dogs will probably not stop at the pup your looking at buying) and don't rush into buying something until you are sure that you are not blinded by color.

Here are some other links that give a different view:

Pine Haven Yorkies - Parti

All about the Red

You are right about that...there are many Yorkies that are not being bred to standard, not just the parti/golden/chocolate ones. However, that wasn't what the OP started this thread about...she asked about, so it's pretty irrelevant. I don't think that you can exactly lump them all into one category and consider them "the same" as you have done here. You have to take many factors into consideration and consider the end result.

I was replying to your previous response, not the OP's question.

Just to clarify, you said "I don't think that you can exactly lump them all (all off colors?) into one category and consider them "the same" as you have done here."

I think if people are calling parti, chocolate and golden "non standards" or "off standard", then yes, you are then putting them in a larger, general category of all yorkies who don't meet the standards, so I do consider them "the same." Off standard is off standard, no matter what off color they are; no matter what other issue causes them to be considered off standard. Or are you saying that some off colors are considered to be more "off standard" than other off colors are, thus they should not be put into the "same" category together? :confused:

As for the OP's question, colors we see are golden, parti (some being almost solid white), chocolate, golden parti, chocolate parti and black and tan/gold in addition to various shades of blue and tan/gold.

Yes, that is exactly what I was saying. The dogs you mentioned...wrong shading, the steel blue being to light, or other issues that cause them to be off standard can often be produced from a pairing of dam and sire that were representations of the breed standard. With the intent being to produce dogs that meet the standard and the possibility was there. (Or for that matter, dogs with minor flaws against the standard can often be bred to produce offspring that meet it.)
To me, there is difference between that scenario and breeding dogs that you KNOW won't meet the standard...that it is your goal from the very beginning. Thus why I said I didn't think they could be put into the same category. But I guess that is something we will just have to agree to disagree on.

I'm reading back over my first post--it was general information addressing partis/goldens specifically, as that was the OPs question. It wasn't derogatory, didn't condone or condemn the practice, nor did it even give any hint of what my opinion on the subject was one way or the other. So I'm not sure where the need to justify it by bringing in anything relating to standard colored Yorkies came from. :confused: I think we are all aware of that many Yorkies being bred today are not standard, be it because of size, bite, coloring, whatever....I just didn't see where it was relevant at all to the OP's question, my response or anything that had been mentioned for that matter.

The whites and parti's dont even look like yorkies!

The Yorkshire Terrier Club of America has a page on rare colored Yorkies that should answer your question:

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

I have tried to keep quiet on this subject...but this is just not a fair statement. Yes...some off colored yorkies do look like mixes. But so do many supposedly purebred AKC traditional colored yorkies.

I happen to think there are some very nice parti yorkie's on this site.

Take a look at Sue's Remi, or Tammy's Livi, or Deb's Nickolas, or my Chaos.
Loretta and Jeanne have nice parti's as well.

Here are some pics of my Chaos. He is now 8 month's old and weighs 4.3 lbs.

He is AKC & DNA registered and all yorkie, no matter what his color is!

I'll agree with that!!

I tend to believe whatever AKC or the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America says is standard is standard. Don't they have a "requirement" for what breeds are supposed to look like? With all the "designer" dogs there could be up to a million or so different breeds if people were left to distinguish they're own desires. I've attached a picture of her and you can see the black starting to come in just behind her neck. I've never bred her because of this reason.

Here's a funny story, I go to college and there is a bulletin board where everyone posts things for sale and what not. Someone posted a Chorkie for sale, I wrote back and asked what a Chorkie was. Someone told me it is a cross between a Chihuahua and a Yorkie. I posted back "In my day they called those mutts" LOL needless to say no one said anything else. LMBO

I have a 6 year old female Yorkie that was born black and tan but when she got to be about a year old her black back started to turn the same color as her head. Only now has she started to get a little darker. A very smart lady that I got my boy from said she was called a "running gold" which is not standard at all. But I love her just the same now so it doesn't matter if she was green. :) I saw her mama and daddy and they were black and tan but the black wasn't very pronounced. But like I said she started off black.

Wow, that is a GORGEOUS parti. Is Chaos from the CA lines?

It's interesting how there are so many traditional-colored Yorkies out there who don't meet AKC Yorkie conformational standards, yet no one bothers to say anything rude about them! We like to pick on the minorities, don't we?

BYB comes to mind. Is that rude enough for you? Responsible breeding is talked about here ALL the time.

Ahhhhhhhh.. he is adorable!

It all comes down to how you define "responsible breeding." The biggest key to a responsible breeder is that he/she loves his/her dogs and breeds for health. Everyone's idea of what looks good differs. Whether you like it or not, there are many people whose idea of what looks good differs from AKC standards. For example, you and I might think erect ears look the best, but not everyone thinks like you or I do, like it or not. The looks that people breed for are secondary to a breeder's love for their dogs (which shows through the health and temperament of their lines).

We cannot define a responsible breeder by ONE type of look, simply because everyone's opinion of what looks good in a Yorkie differs. The only universal characteristic of a "responsible breeder," a trait that can actually be applied to all responsible breeders, is a love for their dogs that shows through the health of their lines and the loving homes they find.

I really have a problem...
 

This site states that these colors are defects. And that pups born out of two registered yorkshire terriers is anything but a yorkie. These pups are simply an anomoly of color. Just like when two humans have dark hair on both sides of the family for three, four, maybe even five generations and suddenly they have a blonde haired baby!! Sometimes things can kick back later on.

I'll tell you one thing...
 

There are other colors that are pure bred yorkies. However, there is no reason these dogs should be marketed as "rare" or "exotic." If you do not desire them as part of a breeding program then they should be neutered. Does that make them any less a yorkie NO! If anything I find it fascinating. Color genetics and recessive/dominanace is amazing.

The site discusses genetics and I thought it might be of interest to those who would like to understand more about the genetics. Blue born are not just an anomaly, and have serious problems. As far as humans having a blond baby after 5 generations, if you understood genetics, you would know that this isn't "kicking" in but the blonde gene was a recessive trait, and you need two recessive genes for a recessive trait to exhibit itself. Breed clubs always believe in breeding to standard, but some breeders are puppy salesman, and want to create a marketing niche, so they use the terms rare and unique, it's only rare because it's not standard, and it would be very easy to produce these dogs, if one wanted to.

The off colors are rare because they are rare, by definition of the term. However, I wouldn't trust an off color breeder very much if they used those sly, not to mention cliche, marketing tactics of actually advertising them as rare. It would be a red flag for me.

On a good note, there are many off colored breeders out there who don't advertise their dogs as rare or unique, who really love their dogs, have very healthy lines, and breed for what they honestly think looks the best.

From what I heard, blue borns do have a high risk of having health issues. I haven't heard the same about the partis, golds and chocolates, though.

I really think they are all just beautiful and I would like to hear more about the health issues from those owning a Parti,Gold or white...I cant speak because I dont own one. But as far as Genetics My Great Grandmother was an ALBINO and she was not a defective human..But if people are breeding KNOWING there are health problems then thats another story.

The off colors are rare because they are rare, by definition of the term. However, I wouldn't trust an off color breeder very much if they used those sly, not to mention cliche, marketing tactics of actually advertising them as rare. It would be a red flag for me.

On a good note, there are many off colored breeders out there who don't advertise their dogs as rare or unique, who really love their dogs, have very healthy lines, and breed for what they honestly think looks the best.

From what I heard, blue borns do run high risks of having health issues, but I haven't heard the same for goldens, partis, or chocolates.

Blue borns run a high risk of having health issues, from what I hear. I heard it's quite the opposite for golden's, parti's, and chocolate's. I haven't met a chocolate but all the parti's and golden's I know are very healthy and have no health problems whatsoever.

Scientists are still studying breeding for the recessive gene in lots of different species, and we know that there are problems associated with it, exactly what are all the problems, and how big are the risks no one knows for sure. There is not specific study in Yorkies because the mother club the, YTCA believes that others studies are more important to fund, ones that actually affect all yorkies, including standard yorkies. Breeders who breed for the recessive trait may not wish to make any illnesses known, if it affects their bottom line.