Questions About Golden & Parti Yorkies
 

Just curious I have read that these yorkies do not meet AKC standard and therefore cannot be registered, but I have seen websites professing to register these dogs.

Also I have also read that these dogs have genetic defects and should not be breed because of future health and skin problems. For owners of golden or parti's how old are your yorkies, and have you had any skin or health problems? What are the websites for where you got your dog?

I personally think these are cute dogs and offer a variety on the breed but have hesitated to acquire one because they seem to get negative press. Tell me about your yorkies, I am considering getting a 3rd yorkie in the future and for a variety would like a parti.

Parti yorkies can be AKC registered, I'm not sure about golden.

Have you considered a Biewer? While they can't be registered with the AKC yet, they probably will be allowed to someday, and they actually have a standard. They look similar to a Parti, but have specific markings. The Parti can be registered, but it's just under the Yorkshire terrier name, and this is considered a fault, like a bad bite. Biewers are registered with a European registry, but others can tell you more about this. They are a beautiful dog; and many owners say that their personality is a little more laid back then the Yorkie. Unfortunately, because of the popularity of "off colored dogs", it has attracted many poor breeders who are only breeding for the off trait, and are not taking into consideration other genetic flaws the dam or sire could have. So while there may be no real diseases linked to the Parti as yet, so many "greeders" are indiscriminately breeding them for this one trait only. A good breeder looks at many different traits, not just one, and when puppies are born with genetic problems they would stop breeding the dam and sire, but this doesn't happen with some Parti breeders or golden breeders because money is their only motivation. So while the puppies can be cute, finding a good breeder would be extreemly difficult.

Partis and goldens do not meet YTCA standards and cannot be shown. They are however accepted by AKC as being pure bred yorkies and can be registered. Biewers on the other hand, are not accepted by the AKC. However there are other registries that to regester them.

And yes Nancy1999, they are registered as pure bred Yorkshire Terriers. They come from 2 purebred yorkies and therefore ARE purebred yorkies. A 15 pound yorkie does not meet standards either, nevertheless, it is purebred yorkie if it has two purebred parents.

The Biewer's origins are in Germany, but it's heritage is the same. it is the product of two traditional colored yorkshire terriers, frequently of Championship backgrounds, who both carrtied the piebald gene and passed it on to their offspring resulting in a tri colored puppy.

The breeders of the off colored yorkies are just as concerned about the health and temprament of their puppies as those who produce the traditional colored yorkies. There are good and ad breeders in both lots.

In fact the chances of buying a poorly bred traduitional colored yorkie is much greater than buying a poorly bred off colored yorkie. due to the cost of the off colored ones, most off colored yorkie breeders take very good care of their dogs, as opposed to puppy millers who buy and breed the chepest dogs that they can find.

Off colored yorkie breeders are just as responsible as the traditional colored breeders, we too have reputations to protect. we breed the off colors because we believe that these dogs are beautiful and that the YTCA should not have the right to dictate as to which colors should survive, and people have the right to own the these gorgeous dogs.

A puppy of any breed or color is only as good as it's breeder. and there are good and bad on both sides.

:thumbup:I agree!! Very well stated!!

I thought Biewers and Parti's were the same type dog, other than your description above what are other differences between the two and how do you tell one from the other?

I own a beautiful parti dog and an adorable parti gene carrier....both of them are extremely healthy! Have fun searching for your perfect parti baby. :) If you need some suggestions on reputable breeders, feel free to send me a private message.

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Tammy

Do Parti's get their tail docked? I know it is traditional not to dock Beiwer's.

Yes, the parti has a docked tail. :)

Also just on a side note


Not all breed clubs have set standards. The border collie does not have set standards because they do not wish to exclude any healthy specimen.

There are several other breeds that do not have set standards also. they are shown under the miscellaneous class.

Biewers do not have docked tails because they are of european origin and in Europe they do not dock tails. Even traditional colored yorkies do not have docked tails, in Europe,

You might want to read this link: Biewer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, there are several Biewer clubs, and they do have a standard with specific markings. Since the Biewer originated in Germany they also don't crop the tail, and that standard has stayed in the US. As far as I know, the Parti has no standard other than the regular Yorkshire Terrier Standard.

You are right, they are the same dog, they are both tri colored yorkshire terriers.

The Biewer has it's own club and it's own standard, because in Europe they allow it. But it is not accepted by the AKC because it has not done the required DNA testing that the parti has.

That is not altogether accurate either. There are different lines of Bioewers, as there are of the parti colored yorkies. At least one of these lin=s has done NA testing and it has shown that they are not purebred yorkshire terrier. some lines of biewer do not have the gold in the face, it remains black nd white.

My parti colored yorki9es came from the line that did the extensive DNA testing for the AKC. I am sure that there are lines out there that would not pass this test and they are just riding on the reputation of those who have passed.

Likewise there re many REGISTERED traditional colored yorkshire terriers that wsould not pass that test either.

As stated before a puppy, of any breed or color, is only as good as it's breeder.

That was very interesting. Mosting interesting is the use of the word RARE.

As far as I'm concerned, a biewer and a parti are NOT the same. The biewer is now considered a breed of their own

The use of the word "rare" is frowned upon and seen as a red flag when breeders are using it. Since Wikipedia isn't selling any dogs, I see no harm in using this word, and I imagine in the dog world, a Biewer is still rare.

Oh I definitely agree, they would be considered rare when compairng the number of them to the traditional colored yorkies, as would the partis and the goldens.

Of course you realize that anyone can contribute an article to Wikipedia. the information is suippose to be documented as to where it came from, but not all articles are.

Yes, it's a good source for basic information, and they have an area where you can dispute any information that you deem incorrect. A disputed article will have the warning at the top of the page. Wikipedia:NPOV dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unlike a bad bite, which can have negative health consequences, off colors like Parti, golden, chocolate and black coats, doesn't cause any harm to the dog, except in the show ring. All off colors, including black coated adults, are disqualified in the ring (as are blues that are too dark or too light).

Many of the different parti lines are tracing back to CH Wildweir Pomp N Circumstance who was born 50 years ago. I think most would be surprised, that these off colors are not new to our breed - they've been showing up in different lines since the beginning of the breed, including the Wildweir line (according to the information discovered in the late 1990's when AKC had their investigation over the Nikkos parti dogs). Prior to AKC's investigation which ended in allowing parti coloring to be registered, off colors were culled, given away or destroyed. At the time, recessive genes were not understood and it was thought that the wrong stud bred the bitch or that the off colored pup was genetically defective, we now know that's not the case.

Parti standards are the same as Yorkshire terrier standards with the exception of their coloring. Unlike the Biewer who have color "placement"
standards, AKC parti's cannot control the amount of spotting or it's placement due to the genes responsible for their tri coloring being a different
spotting gene than what the biewer's have. Biewers appear to carry the Irish spotting gene while most the AKC partis carry the pie bald and extreme white spotting genes.

There are good breeders and bad breeders in every breed not just the yorkshire terriers. And yes, some breed indiscriminately but others will look beyond the color to breed the best dog they can breed; to improve the type and quality of their colorful yorkshire terrier; to try to educate people about recessive genes and to promote these colors that have been in our breed for years.

Just as a YTCA member who breeds and shows Yorkies, breed for that desired steel blue coloring that is necessary in the show ring, parti breeders are also breeding to perfect the tri coloring in our AKC registered yorkies.

But the YTCA member will not breed just any Yorkie because he has the desired steel blue coloring; they are looking at the whole package. However, due to its popularity, many Parti breeders will do this. Popularity and rareness are never a good mix for the future health of any breed. Like relatives, when you win the lottery, bad breeders come out of the woodwork when there is money to be made.

There are more "bad" traditional colored yorkie breeders than there are "bad" parti colored breeders. When looking to buy any puppy, one needs to research the breeder as much as the breed. Find the 'right" breeder and then look for the "right" dog.

Yes, and the reverse is true too, there are more "good" traditional colored yorkie breeders than there are "good" parti colored breeders also because there are just more traditional colored yorkie breeders. However, those breeders that actually breed to standard are few and hard to find. I think we should always ask ourselves "why" a particular breeder is breeding, and really listen to the answer and read between the lines.

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Going round in circles!!!LOL
What happened to the OP? Hopefully she is still here.
Personally, I would go for a Biewer and not a parti yorkie. The Biewer is trying very hard to become AkC registered and they do have a written standard. They are different from the parti yorkie, a separate breed. These Biewer breeders, the reputable one that is, are doing all of the health testing and are breeding to their written standard.

On the other hand, the parti yorkie, is not being bred to the YTCA or any other Yorkie standard. This color annomoly is a fault and just like an underbite, should not be purposely bred for. The parti color, amoung others, will never be recognized by the YTCA and there-fore they will never be shown in conformation. The parti breeders claim that there have been many DNa tests done, especially on one kennel, to prove that they are purebred. The only thing that these DNA tests did was to say that the parents of the puppies were in fact the parents of the puppies. This test cant tell you if these puppies are purebred yorkies and cant tell you if there was another breed introduced in an earlier generation. Like the Biewer, the parti yorkie is most likely the result of a yorkie being crossed with another breed to bring in the parti gene. In the past, it was VERY easy to falsify AKC papers, so it would be easy to add another breed and claim that they were purebred yorkies. This is the only reason that AKC has to register these color faults.

But with any breed of dog, you must do your research and look at several breeders and pick one you are comfortable with. There are alot of bad breeders(greeders) out there in every breed. Reputable breeders will only breed to the written standard of that breed.

Best of luck finding your puppy!

To the OP: I just saw a thread by kpstoybox. They have a cute Biewer for sale!!! He is very beautiful!! You might check it out!!

tammy your parti is beautiful!

Kioko is my parti gene carrer...and i hope to find me a female parti some day...hehe

It is a fact, not a claim, that the Nikkos parti line was extensively DNA tested; not just the parents of the puppies and the puppies themselves but as far back with the living relatives as possible.

Now, in pedigrees 4 generations prior to CH Nikkos Rolls Royce Ashley (who is where the parti gene was show to be coming from) there was CH Wildweir Pomp N Circumstance.

Is it a coincidence that the new parti lines that are cropping up in litters and surprising their traditional yorkshire terrier breeders, are tracing back to CH Wildweir Pomp N Circumstance who was born 50 years earlier?

Is it a coincidence that during the AKC investigation, where respected, Old time breeders were interviewed about off colors popping up over the years in their breeding programs, that AKC determined these off colors do show up in standard litters.

Is it a coincidence that Wildweir kennel was one of the old time breeders interviewed and that they told AKC they had parti pups born in some of their litters?

If this recessive gene is still being passed down through some bloodlines 50 years later, why is it so hard to believe that these genes could not have come from the non purebred, heritage unknown, dogs that began this breed 80+/- years earlier?

Every dog that carries a recessive gene passes that gene onto half of it's offspring, so if the dog has a lot of progeny, there could be many carriers who when bred to another carrier will produce 25% colorful offspring. That's how recessive genes work, they hide until two dogs with the same recessive genes are bred together and then "surprise!"

Thanks Mary! Our Livi sure is spoiled....such the princess around here! :) ;)

Tammy

The major difference between Parti-yorkies and the Biewers (besides no tail, tail) is that a parti-yorkie follows no standards for color. The Biewers have very specific color placement.

That's because there are more breeders of standard colored yorkies to begin with.

Good points yorkiekist. Those are similar to what my thoughts on the issue have been all along.

And this is the standard for a Parti according to...who exactly? Where is the "official" standard for the parti yorkie published...I didn't think there was one. Or is this just the requirement in order for them to be registered with AKC?