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Thyme and Sage Ranch in WI Has anyone heard of them? I was looking at pups that were rescued and they seem to have a lot. She has dogs from 3 different puppy mills that were closed down. I sent her a email and am waiting to hear back from her... So I was just wondering if any one from YT had heard about them , if so let me know please! Diana |
I have never heard of them but did find some info by googling they name. You can just type in the name of the ranch and her name and come up with stuff. The little i've read so far would send some red flags imo Thyme ans Sage Ranch Complaints - Puppy Mill Sick Dog Thyme and Sage Ranch Jennifer Petkus Complaints - My Adopted Puppy Died |
Thanks so much I want to thank you for the info ..I never thought of even checking ..I did read the letters from her site but failed to go deeper.. Again thanks, Diana |
After reading all that, i would love to put the evil jennifer in a very small cage and leave her out in the snow and invite dog owners everywhere to come and throw things at her and watch her slowly fade away!! :mad: :mad: |
Check facts I was considering adopting a puppy from Thyme and Sage Ranch but after reading the "beware" posts, I was concerned. Being a very experienced internet user and knowing that some people's compliment and complaint posts are less than genuine, we decided to drive down to the Ranch to see for ourselves. I think the first thing people who consider adopting a animal that was rescued from a puppy mill is that these are not premium health animals. There is a reason the mill was shut down and the animals were rescued...because the conditions were awful. Upon our arrival, we found our way into the house where the puppies are romping about. This is not a residential house but rather a house just to show the puppies to prospective adopting families. There is another kennel on-site and the adult dogs are kept in there but the "puppy house" is where the action is. When you first come in, Jennifer welcomes you and tells you a little about the different puppies and will help steer you to the right area to find what you might be looking for. There are 20 or so puppies in the house that are not housebroken so there is a urine smell. Jennifer and her volunteers try to keep up with all accidents but the puppies do walk through the pee and get it on their feet. As such, the puppies will smell a bit. And Jennifer makes it clear that these puppies have not been to a vet, she and her volunteers give the puppies their first shots and do their best to adopt out only animals that are healthy enough to be adopted. She tells everyone that their first step is to get a vet appt. She also tells people that if the vet finds anything wrong that is serious, you can get a full refund or exchange. I've adopted 7 rescued animals before and there are no guarantees that you have an animal in perfect health. Bottom line is that if you can't afford or don't want vet bills, you really shouldn't own any pets...they go hand-in-hand. Anyway, after about an hour playing with 6 or so different puppies, we settled on a very shy Lhasa-poo male. I suspect he has some kennel cough and needs a good vet check, something we have scheduled for tomorrow. I hope he is well but as I think I've made clear, I cannot be certain. I could never expect Jennifer or her volunteers to be certain. She rescues so many animals that there is no way she could afford to have a vet staff, not ideal for certain but what is the worse? Do you let the mills continue to treat animals the way they do or do you dedicate your life to rescue and do the best you can. There is no inhumane treatment at the Ranch. Sure, I'd like a pet store setting and my puppy to be vet checked prior to adoption, but think of that expense. Many pet stores buy from mills, either knowingly or not so is that a good option? There is a ton of info on the internet about adopting a rescued animal, it is not for everyone and it is your responsibility to go in armed with knowledge. Here is the best analogy I can think of: would you buy a car, 1000 miles away, without having seen the vehicle on eBay? This works for some people, and doesn't for many others. There are responsible breeders out there and if you are uneasy about adopting a rescued dog, then find one of those. You may very well still have a puppy with a medical condition that you are responsible to treat. Bottom line: Jennifer has a personal conviction to shut down puppy mills. To do this, she needs to adopt out as many rescued animals as possible. If you consider adopting one of these animals, do your homework and know exactly what you are doing. Know your responsibilities and consider giving Jennifer and the Ranch volunteers a break. They really are trying hard and I bet none of us volunteer more hours towards our favorite charity or cause. I'll keep you updated on my puppy’s health. |
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After reading the complaints about her I think it was clear that she is a broker and goes under the guise of being a rescue. And from what I know of rescues they would treat the dogs and ensure they were healthy before adopting out. |
Well... she does clearly let everyone know that these are dogs that have been saved from puppy mills. She asks the maximum cost for a dog is only $275...so really if you get a pup from a pet store first they don't tell you were they are coming from and the price is WAY WAY WAY more!! These are dogs that have been saved! If you get a dog/puppy from puppy mill you have to know there will be vet bills involved. |
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I found out about the place on petfinders.com. They are also the local county animal shelter and I did some research on this and in their resolution, they say that there have been no substantiated complaints. Here is the deal, she could be a broker or whatever but I can tell you it didn't "feel" this way when I was there. It felt like she was working her butt off, taking all her Saturdays and Sundays to host adoption appointments. Maybe this is some sort of elaborate scheme to make a hundred bucks per adoption but I'm a naturally suspicious of scams and if this is one, they really have something going because I'm fooled. I wouldn't know about the actual mills shut down since I am new to the area and only learned about the place a month ago...I did a google news search and found nothing but this is rural (trust me, I just drove it) WI and the big cities near her are maybe 400 in population...probably not much news coverage. Again, I'm just giving her the benefit of my doubt after I did what I consider to be due diligence. I just encourage anyone who is considering adopting from her or anyone else for that matter to do their homework before jumping in head first. At this point, I'm really not that interested in standing on a soapbox about this subject. I just want a healthy, happy puppy who I hopefully helped save from a mill. If she isn't as advertised and she's doing something less than honorable, I'm don't know what to say other than God will sort it out. |
puppy mill PURCHASES If there is any question as to Jennifer's motives, I hope this helps to clear it up. I attended a puppy mill auction with my rescue group last March in Thorp, WI. Jennifer was there and PURCHASED 34 puppies to the tune of around $4000.00. She was overheard telling people she thought it was "kind of fun" to bid against the rescue groups and drive up the prices of the puppies. My group, along with the other groups there are there simply to get these dogs out of bad situations and we were wroking together - Jennifer was the only "rescue" that refused to cooperate with us. The rest of us got together in order to not bid against each other and save as many animals as possible. We only purchase as many as we can afford to have treated by a vet - I spent over $400 on the first vet visit for the puppy I purchased. Everyone at the auction knows these are not healthy animals to begin with, but by purchasing dogs and not getting them proper medical attention, you are not helping at all - you are just causing more misery and heartache for whoever ends up with the animals. Jennifer tells people that she takes every puppy she gets into her personal vet and that the money from adoptions goes to cover vet costs. Obviously, from what we know about her, that is not the case. Jennifer used to have upwards of 75 dogs/puppies on petfinder at any given time, and recently they have all been removed - where did all the puppies go??? |
more info Also, since she has apparently stopped listing on petfinder.com, she has ads in the Star Tribune and JS Online Pets for puppies for sale. This woman is out to make money, plain and simple. She is not doing this to help animals. |
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It is not "hearsay" that she tells people she takes the puppies to "her vet" - she told my fiance and I, as well as several other people from rescue groups. Also, don't you find it a little strange that being a "rescue" - as she calls herself - there are no legal records or documentation of these mills she supposedly "shut down"? She stated on petfinder last March that the puppies were from a mill that had been shut down, when in reality they were from the auction. The other thing I find less than coincidental - and you should too - is the fact that suddenly she no longer has puppies listed on petfinder, but rather has them "for sale" in newspapers as far away from where she lives as Minneapolis but not in any of her local papers? My interest has nothing more to do with anything than wanting to protect innocent animals from going through more misery and protecting adopting families from getting sick puppies. She is a broker - nothing more - and she should call herself that. Calling herself a "rescue" gives a bad name to other actual rescue groups - other rescue groups who actually take care of the animals they receive into rescue, rather than throwing them into yet another disgusting situation. I think you would be hard pressed to find a rescue group - or even a shelter for that matter- who does not have the basic series of vaccinations for their animals. You said Jennifer administers the rabies vaccinations herself - in the state of Wisconsin, they have to be administered by a licensed vet, so what she is doing in that aspect alone is illegal. |
Yorkie owner I adopted a Yorkie mix from Thyme and Sage Ranch. He was 8 weeks old and the runt of the litter. He is so amazing. Everytime we have a family gathering I have to do a coat check to make sure that no one is trying to take him home..."-)..... I would recommend this rescue hands down and would adopt from them again. Just keep in mind these animal are from mills and where never taken care of. This is for Sheepielover..... for someone that adopted a dog one time. You sure seem to think you know so much about this rescue and person. So I have question for you......Do you know what color PJ she wears to bed at night...... because for all the information that you seem to have about the rescue..It sounds like you live there..... For anyone else that is interest in giving a animal a chance at a real life and home. Please go check this rescue for youself and than make your decission..... Have a great day....!:) |
When I read the post about the puppies and vacc. No where in there did he say anything about the rabbie's shot..... Any pet owner knows that a puppy can not get a rabbie shot until they are about 4 months old. |
She has/had more than just 8 week old puppies - she had older dogs as well and was claiming they had been vetted. I think it's interesting that you encourage people to adopt from her - good luck with that - her puppies are no longer listed on petfinder - probably due to the multiple complaints and charges against her. The rescue I work with as well as several other rescue groups in WI all know how Jennifer operates because we have all had dealings with her - other rescue groups have offered to take dogs from her into their rescues because she seemed so overwhelmed - she would not let any of the rescue groups take any puppies without paying her several hundred dollars. If she were really interested in the welfare of the animals, she would have accepted the help. |
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For anyone defending this person no reputable rescue would not vet the dogs and please don't even think that because you are just saving them from death that it excuses you from taking them to a vet. You are just a puppy pimp in my book.:thumbdown |
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Reputable rescues not only vet the animals they adopt out but they ensure they are spayed/neutered before going to their forever homes. |
Let me also add most reputable rescue's do not adopt out of state unless they have someone who can do home checks etc. It is a known fact that people can and do lie on the internet and no one would send their rescued dogs to someone home without knowing what kind of home they are sending them to. A reputable breeder would not either. You are right, a reputable rescue always spays and neuters the dogs. P.S. I saw a breeder on here sell a dog and when the owners did not want it anymore then she came on here and said it was a rescue. This is not a rescue in my book but a breeder making a very poor decision on where she/he placed their dog. These kind of breeders also give rescue a bad name. |
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I read through all of the information that I could find on this place last night before bed. I was sick to my stomache. Anyone who thinks this lady is reputable is living in a bubble IMO. |
Also, if you don't want to believe what I have to say about Jennifer, there are plenty of other people who have had experience with her.... madisonwi: Animal Rescues Thyme & Sage Ranch Complaints - Puppy dies due to lies! this one includes a video of Jennifer purchasing puppies at an auction Thyme ans Sage Ranch Complaints - Puppy Mill Sick Dog Thyme and Sage Ranch-Inquiry Home This site maintains a list of consumer complaints about rescue groups and Thyme and Sage is currently the only one listed Thyme and Sage Ranch this one states that Thyme and Sage has had their posting privledges suspended by petfinder |
I would like to challenge these "supporters" of Jennifers to show me a rescue that has had even close to the number of complaints or that has been similarly suspended from petfinder. |
Just a little more info.... *****You seem to be on a personal mission. What rescue are you with? I went to all these links and they appear to be written by the same group of people. First-you are not stating facts and people are believing whatever you type which is their fault. I checked some things out on my own, it is the reporter in me. The County has no founded complaints on this rescue. A local newspaper article also supports this. Second, they are still w/ Petfinder. Third, I was able to find out the Thorp auction you make reference to were all adult dogs, not puppies and half on them went to other rescues.She also did not bid against you or any other rescue as you stated. I found out she did make a comment that many Amish bid against rescues to run up the auction prices. Fourth-The recent ad reads Rescued Mill Puppies and Dogs Need Homes-NOT puppies for sale Fifth-The last Thorp auction-they only took 4 dogs-none were ever posted to their site as these were pre-found homes through co-workers. All were very low in bid price. Several other rescues paid $175-$800 per dog????CRAZY!!!!!!!! The profit-vendors are laughing all the way to the bank. Sixth-35 dogs and puppies were just transferred to a large humane society (all 35 adopted in two days) and they are getting more. THIS IS WHAT A REPUTABLE RESCUE DOES!!!!!! THEY DO NOT POST BLOGS ALL DAY AGAINST OTHER RESCUES. THEY HELP. Seventh-When I adopted from her-yes, I am from WA, but had to fly out and meet her and the animal. I also had to take it on the plane w/ me-no cargo. ( She will not ship her animals) This was a two day trip so I had to find a hotel in Madison that would allow animals. So you ask what kind of person would pay to fly, stay in a hotel and still pay an adoption fee. Plus I also made a nice donation to her rescue on top of all the other costs. I did this because I believed in her misson to close down puppy mills and I would do it all again in a heart bet.... I only talked about my yorkie mix because this is a yorkie forum, but truth be known between myself, family and friends we have adopted a total of 12 dogs ranging from 8 weeks to 5 years old. Further-all of these were seen by a vet and had papers Eighth-Do you realize what a disservice you are to these poor animals???? Do you realize Mills shoot them and still drown puppies? What are you doing to help except bash other people trying? Again, what rescue are you with if you are so proud? Post your name-SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!! Further-the last several people who handled County animals kept them in horse trailers or tied to trees. One even sold them to labs. Again, you should be ashamed of yourself, your actions, and focus your time and energy on the animals-not some personal vendetta. |
Could you please post the link to petfinder where her dogs are listed? The only dogs she has listed now are not with Thyme and Sage, they are for the Richland county animal shelter. Secondly, the auction that I was at with her was not the one this past September - I have no idea how many dogs she purchased there. The one I attended that she was at was last March - 2008 - and she left with 34 dogs, she would have left with 35, but we took one of her dogs into our rescue. Her total bill - as she told me - was over $4000.00. So I don't think it's fair for you to quote what other rescues paid for dogs as she obviously is no better. She stated that it was "fun" to bid against other people - which is why other rescues ended up paying more for the dogs at the auction in March. Thirdly, my name is Candace, and my phone number is 715-897-4075, my mailing address is PO Box 31, Vesper, WI 54489. Anyone can please feel free to contact me. If you feel as though you need my last name as well, go ahead and give me a call. I still stand with my first comment - Jennifer is doing no service to these animals, nor is she doing anything in the name of rescue. Any reputable rescue does not take on more animals than it can handle, does not release any animal without ALL of the proper vaccinations (parvo, bordatella, distemper, etc) and testing (heartworm, etc), and the majority ensure that dogs who are old enough leave the rescue altered, or they actually follow up on the spay/neuter contracts. I find it interesting that you say you came all the way from WA to adopt a dog from Jennifer - aren't there any rescues in your area that you could be helping out? Seems like there is a little something more to this than you are letting on. |
Kasey's Story Hello everyone...I am sorry it has taken me so long to post but when I was searching tonight for information about the Thyme and Sage Ranch, I saw my story was linked to this page. I just signed up to get to know more about my yorkie and thought it would be fun to talk with other people who had furry children like mine. Skooter is the puppy I adopted in the summer of last year after I lost my Kasey. Kasey was one of Jennifer Petkus's many victims. My Kasey had parasites and Parvo. Sadly even though I have a great vet, he was not able to save her after the illnesses ravaged her little body. I had found Kasey, reported to be a yorkie/pap pion mix on Petfinders.com and was told she was a "puppy mill pull". Of course within days after my little girl passed away I was able to find out that Jennifer was nothing more than a puppy mill broker. My family was crushed when we lost Kasey. It was the second pet we had lost in less than 4 months. We had lost a 15 year old mix from cancer and old age and we were not even sure if we could adopt again after we lost two animals in such a short time. I did however make a pact with my son that I would see that Kasey did not die in vain. This however was not easy since everyone in the county basically blew off any complainant. But as a disabled police officer, I would not be discouraged from continuing. In May she was raided and arrested. Even though the judge gave her very specific conditions for bond, Jennifer is breaking every condition and when she was arrested for bail jumping the judge said he was "too busy" to handle it. If I were to give you all the entire story I would need an index because of all the work I have done over the past year. I would be so very happy to give more details or provide documents if anyone would like to read them. My file is huge now...But I won't stop. So I post tonight with a request. I am sorry I usually try to catch up and get to know people before I ask a favor but I have started a petition to give to the judge with hopes that he would read stories and do everything that he can to give her the maximum penalty possible. I am going to put the link here and hope that you all would possibly sign. This woman is pure evil and even though I spent less than a lot of people did my cost was still high and my emotion loss indescribable. Here is the link and I appreciate any signatures I can get....I will get back here and try very soon and post more about my adorable Skooter....I should say naughty but then aren't they all to a point... http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/see...per-punishment My sincerest thanks to all... Penny Skooter and Kasey's momma |
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I hate sugar coating! Why is it that the two of you who are defending this Jennifer person of T&S Ranch are so new to this site. You have about 3 post each under your name and I'm guessing they are all in T&S Ranch defense. This person cannot possibly be in the legitimate "rescue" business. She is a broker posing as a rescuer. PERIOD!!! The conditions she keeps the dogs in says it all. She is doing this for the money and IF she really is trying to be a rescuer then perhaps you defenders of her should spend time educating her on taking proper care of the dogs and puppies that she obtains, before she sells them off full of illnesses that can lead to death. |
You know from the beginning of my issue with Jennifer until today, she has her defenders. I am sure for everyone one victim like myself and Kasey there is at least one survivor. They are the lucky ones. Even a person who is good friend of mine and a HUGE advocate in the fight for animal rights and new legislation in our area, believes that Jennifer probably started out with a good mission in mind. I of course, do not feel the same. The mission now for both of us is to make sure that she discontinues her activities with all animals. I do not think she should ever be allowed to have pets but I am sure won't be stopped. I do think that besides the greed for the money that fueled her in the end, there is some need for monitoring of her in the future. One of the conditions that I will fight for is life time probation. I know that the state has given as much to those that rob businesses, why not those that have killed leaving breathing beings for money? It will be a point I am hoping to bring to court if the victims are able to speak. While I continue to work with the victim/witness coordinator for this particular county and she should be able to get our opinions and stories to the court, it will be for the judge to listen with an objective mind. As a disabled police officer, I know it is a gamble no matter how we go about it. Of course I will need to keep track of Jennifer and therefore her probation if we are able to get it ordered. Jennifer has family near Chicago and has said on her website that she lived in California for a while. This will mean doing everything I can to track her movement. She has listed her "farmette" for sale so besides needing the funds for her defense, she also has two or more civil suits against her, I suspect she would like to move so that she can start over. There are still so many states without any legislation to protect our animals so I will fight to keep the changes moving to every other states as well as our own. Thank you all so much for understanding our loss. I am going to go over to the new member area and post and will put this link and story on the rescue page as well. For those of you that have signed already, bless you from the bottom of my heart. Kasey was a beautiful kind spirit and she is missed every day. While my Skooter is a beautiful dog...he is still my naughty little yorkie. But I couldn't love him any less. Big hugs, Penny :animal-pa |
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To Kootersmomma~ I hope you are able to get enough signatures on your petitions. BTW~welcome to YT |
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Thanks for telling me this. I didn't see that! I will:thumbup: |
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