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Lee B 10-10-2008 12:44 PM
Camera flash/eye color?
 
I (think I) remember reading somewhere that the eye color, or flashlight reflection color, of their eyes indicates ???? about their future hair color?

I was wondering ... does anyone know what I'm talking about?

jencar98 10-10-2008 12:48 PM
If you get a green eye shine the coat will be silky. An amber shine and the coat will tend to be a softer coat.

jdonica 10-10-2008 02:24 PM
What about one blue eye and one green eye? The first picture that I have gotten a reflection on was one that I took last night and he has one blue eye and one green?

Jeri and Harley:aimeeyork

SumosMommy 10-10-2008 02:45 PM
yeahhh what about blue eye shine??
thats what sumo is and im really interested as to what that indicates?

hviola 10-10-2008 02:46 PM
I looked at my pictures and the center circles of her eyes are blue in the flash. The outer part of her eye doesnt seem to reflect much.

jencar98 10-10-2008 03:02 PM
If you have puppies they will have a blue eye color.

Babz 10-10-2008 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2277204)
If you get a green eye shine the coat will be silky. An amber shine and the coat will tend to be a softer coat.
Whoa this is really interesting. My Mocha always had amber eyes, and guess what coat she has :D

I wonder though, is coat texture passed down from their parents?

luvdorkyyorkies 10-10-2008 03:27 PM
This is my experience, and my experience only.


Amber or an orange color--reflects a wirey or wooley coat

Blue--reflects a silky coat

Green--reflects a multi coat


No reflection or brown means---undetermined

** love any debates....or personal findings!

*** but coat does not determine personality, so if you are looking for a pet yorkie, dont stop there.

KrissieBella 10-10-2008 04:37 PM
I'm not sure about all of that, but every picture that I have of Krissie. She looks like a green eyed monster. Her eyes are SOSO green! I don't care how her coat turns out as long as she is healthy and happy!

Peace and Love,

hviola 10-10-2008 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2277368)
If you have puppies they will have a blue eye color.
Thats cool! Just like babies. :D

Smarty Bones 10-10-2008 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2277368)
If you have puppies they will have a blue eye color.
cool. doea anyone know at what age we start to see the change to red/green?

MyTrixie143 10-10-2008 11:41 PM
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I really don't buy into the whole eye color thing or atleast don't believe it to be completely accurate.

I do believe it all has to do with angle and lighting. If I remember correctly, awhile ago on YT a photographer proved this as well. I can't remember what the thread was called though, I will have to see if I can find it sometime.

I have pictures of the same yorkie on the same day taken with different lighting and angling and they eye color shine was different many times from blue, to green, to yellow, to orange.

Here is an example....

These pictures are of my Harmony. She has a true silky coat and you should be able to tell from the pictures.
These pictures where taken the same in the same room but with different lighting and different angles.

Picture One: Yellow

Picture Two: Orange

Picture Three: Green

Picture Four: Blue

MyTrixie143 10-10-2008 11:51 PM
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Here is another example...

This is Destiny and Harmony. Again, both have the same exact type of coat, they are mom and daughter.

Picture One: Harmony's eye color is orange/yellow, Destiny's is green

Picture Two: Harmony's eye color is green, Destiny's is yellow

Picture Three: This is Destiny with yellow eyes

Picture Four: This is Destiny with green eyes, only difference, the angle of her head


I have several other pictures like these where the colors change only from lighting and the angle of the camera or dog's head.

Now if the eye color flash is suppose to determine the texture of the coat then it shouldn't change from picture to picture.

Nancy1999 10-11-2008 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MyTrixie143 (Post 2277844)
Here is another example...

This is Destiny and Harmony. Again, both have the same exact type of coat, they are mom and daughter.

Picture One: Harmony's eye color is orange/yellow, Destiny's is green

Picture Two: Harmony's eye color is green, Destiny's is yellow

Picture Three: This is Destiny with yellow eyes

Picture Four: This is Destiny with green eyes, only difference, the angle of her head


I have several other pictures like these where the colors change only from lighting and the angle of the camera or dog's head.

Now if the eye color flash is suppose to determine the texture of the coat then it shouldn't change from picture to picture.
Here's an interesting article on eye shine, I've read that the eye flash is more accurate with the old fashion cameras that actually use a flash, some of the variation is probably due to your camera. Eye Shine

Smarty Bones 10-11-2008 09:26 AM
My eyes are usu red in pictures -- and I have big ol eighties' hair (without any hairspray or styling. It's just super fluffy/wavy). I don't even remember the 80s (due to age, not drugs :p ) but I get those comments all the time. Hehe

MyTrixie143 -- Harmony and Destiny are SO beautiful. They are clearly very much loved and very well-taken care of. The pictures series is really instructive

rose_pinero 01-10-2009 03:57 PM
based on the article, the eyes reflect the COLOR of the coat, not the type (?)

Nancy1999 01-10-2009 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rose_pinero (Post 2411978)
based on the article, the eyes reflect the COLOR of the coat, not the type (?)
No, when the article talks of a blue coat they are referring to a silky coat. It's hard to completely describe the blue, because it's not really blue, but a metallic black. True black is darker, and more likely to be cotton. So in other words, green eye shine means, a true silky coat.

jencar98 01-10-2009 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2412000)
No, when the article talks of a blue coat they are referring to a silky coat. It's hard to completely describe the blue, because it's not really blue, but a metallic black. True black is darker, and more likely to be cotton. So in other words, green eye shine means, a true silky coat.

You're right Nancy. I've heard the term "gun metal blue" to describe a correct blue.

Also, in Trixie's example pictures, although the color does appear to be different shades of green, you'll notice they all have a yellow cast to them in different degrees. I do believe the difference seen in the pics is because of lighting, angle, etc. The test should be done with a yorkie in a dark room, while you stand in the other room with a flashlight shining in their eyes.

phfgkl 01-10-2009 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2412000)
No, when the article talks of a blue coat they are referring to a silky coat. It's hard to completely describe the blue, because it's not really blue, but a metallic black. True black is darker, and more likely to be cotton. So in other words, green eye shine means, a true silky coat.
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Molly Savannah 03-01-2009 06:32 PM
Molly's eyes reflect green
 
I just tried to attach a photo I took of Molly today, but it's too big. I'll try to scale it down to share. Her eyes reflected as green and her coat is very smooth and silky! Frankly, I thought she was going bald when her white, silky hair began to grow on top of her puppy head:)

DaniMarie 09-29-2009 01:47 PM
I'm super confused.

My Poppy's eyes reflect bright YELLOW in every single picture.........all of this information is *VERY* confusing.

What does yellow mean?!!!!


She, too, had that white silky hair on her head, that led us to believe she was balding at first.... :p

What does the yellow mean?

Edited to ADD: I just checked out some pics...and in three pics, she has something strange going on. One eye yellow, the other blue.........both eyes yellow and green mixed together....and one eye yellow, one eye red!!!!

?!?!?!??

itzzbarb 09-29-2009 02:00 PM
Jillie is 5 months old. She has photographed with blue eyes, green eyes, amber eyes, and one blue and one green. Go figure. lol :rolleyes:

Nancy1999 09-29-2009 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaniMarie (Post 2820497)
I'm super confused.

My Poppy's eyes reflect bright YELLOW in every single picture.........all of this information is *VERY* confusing.

What does yellow mean?!!!!


She, too, had that white silky hair on her head, that led us to believe she was balding at first.... :p

What does the yellow mean?

Edited to ADD: I just checked out some pics...and in three pics, she has something strange going on. One eye yellow, the other blue.........both eyes yellow and green mixed together....and one eye yellow, one eye red!!!!

?!?!?!??
Remember, you will not get this effect until at least 6 months of age, and don't forget it could be your camera, but these are just general guidelines. For Joey, every picture with any camera that uses a flash produces green eyes, sometimes the shade varies, and looks olive, and sometime almost a lime green, but there's always green when a flash is used. His coat is the dark gunmetal type and is silky, not cottony. As a pup, his eyes looked blue.

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What is going on is that those with the gold/bronze cast has LESS eumelanin (black) and more phaomelanin (yellow). Typically phaomelanin (yellow) does NOT get put in the tapetum. So NO tapetal pigment results in red color from the blood vessels. Whereas the blue cast dogs have more eumelanin resulting in a pigmented tapetum and the reflection that you see is bluish or green. It's very similar in chocolate and black Labs-- chocolate labs tend to have pale gold or red tapetums while the black labs have brilliant green and blue tapetums.

Again it has to do with overall production of melanin (pigment) and where it is put. It also has to do with whether the dog carries the genes for true blue, clerical blue or black AND whether they also carry the gene for progressive graying (dilute). That is my explanation I have learned from study of the breed and genes and pigment. - Darinda Tanner. Eye Shine

DaniMarie 09-29-2009 04:42 PM
Poppy is five months as well!!!

And honestly, I don't understand that second paragraph at all!!!

:aimeeyork

Nancy1999 09-29-2009 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DaniMarie (Post 2820727)
Poppy is five months as well!!!

And honestly, I don't understand that second paragraph at all!!!

:aimeeyork
It helps to read the whole thing, several times, but I think this is interesting.

The eye in all animals except pigs and man have a reflective layer along the back of the retina called the tapetum. This layer serves to reflect light to allow maximal usage of the available light. In some animals the tapetum is colored in others it is not.

The reddish color that you see in human eyes is the reflection of the blood vessels in the back of the eye because the tapetum is NOT colored. This is the same in the "red eye" of the Yorkie.


Once you understand what the "tapetum" is, the rest of it makes more sense.

DaniMarie 09-29-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2820735)
It helps to read the whole thing, several times, but I think this is interesting.

The eye in all animals except pigs and man have a reflective layer along the back of the retina called the tapetum. This layer serves to reflect light to allow maximal usage of the available light. In some animals the tapetum is colored in others it is not.

The reddish color that you see in human eyes is the reflection of the blood vessels in the back of the eye because the tapetum is NOT colored. This is the same in the "red eye" of the Yorkie.


Once you understand what the "tapetum" is, the rest of it makes more sense.
Oh I get that part... I don't get how the color of the reflection somehow reflects the color/type of the dog's coat.

Sorry, I'm new to this Yorkie business. :)

Nancy1999 09-29-2009 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaniMarie (Post 2820753)
Oh I get that part... I don't get how the color of the reflection somehow reflects the color/type of the dog's coat.

Sorry, I'm new to this Yorkie business. :)
Oh, I don't think anyone knows even the author of the article, but she says that:

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".....but could be that pigmentation of the eye and coat texture are related genetically. Tapetums are very beautiful -- metallic, brilliant colors in most animals."
I assume that since the proper silky coat has this same "metallic" look to it that there could be some relationship between the tapetum color reflection and the type of coat, anyway, that seems to be what the author is suggesting to me. Just from reading these threads, it's seems like the overwhelming majority of Yorkies, whose eyes shine green have a silky coat.

FlDebra 09-29-2009 06:35 PM
A better way to get the true reflective color is to shine a flashlight at your dog outside at night. Modern digital cameras have a lot of variation and some of the red eye correction features will change eye color reflection too. That is why it was mentioned the older cameras give a more true reflective color too.

Many mistake the yellow color for the opposite of green -- when it really is just a very light green. Greenish yellow, green, blue all pretty much are going to coincide with the nice silky blue coats. While the reddish, reddish orange will be black cottony coats.

So -- bue eye refelctions for just about all puppies up to @ 6 months.
Then if it is a variation of green -- silky; a variation of red -- cottony. You just have to judge the yellow to determine if it is more green or red. :) And don't take a digital camera reflection to the bank -- it may be misleading you. The flashlight works like a charm.

Nancy1999 09-29-2009 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2820867)
A better way to get the true reflective color is to shine a flashlight at your dog outside at night. Modern digital cameras have a lot of variation and some of the red eye correction features will change eye color reflection too. That is why it was mentioned the older cameras give a more true reflective color too.

Many mistake the yellow color for the opposite of green -- when it really is just a very light green. Greenish yellow, green, blue all pretty much are going to coincide with the nice silky blue coats. While the reddish, reddish orange will be black cottony coats.

So -- bue eye refelctions for just about all puppies up to @ 6 months.
Then if it is a variation of green -- silky; a variation of red -- cottony. You just have to judge the yellow to determine if it is more green or red. :) And don't take a digital camera reflection to the bank -- it may be misleading you. The flashlight works like a charm.
That's the best answer I've ever read on this subject!


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