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MrsStraty 09-05-2008 08:21 AM
Puppy mill list...........
 
I'd like to see the USDA list of puppy mills but I was unable to locate it on their site. Anyone have a direct link to the list? Thanks.:)

BamaFan121s 09-05-2008 08:25 AM
Here ya go, a list of the USDA registered breeders. I am assuming this is always 'up to date.'
http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/webs...ists/lista.pdf

MrsStraty 09-05-2008 08:32 AM
OMG my breeder was NOT on that list. Is that a good thing? :)

BamaFan121s 09-05-2008 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MrsStraty (Post 2221790)
OMG my breeder was NOT on that list. Is that a good thing? :)
Well, it's bad I suppose if you are on it, but it's just a list of the people that are on public record...who knows how many are participating in a shady business that AREN'T on the list.

YorkieMother 09-05-2008 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MrsStraty (Post 2221790)
OMG my breeder was NOT on that list. Is that a good thing? :)
No you can still be a mill and not have a USDA.

JL

gypsyqueen 09-05-2008 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2221770)
Here ya go, a list of the USDA registered breeders. I am assuming this is always 'up to date.'
http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/webs...ists/lista.pdf
well slap me and call me stupid I did not know there were so many idiots that had puppymills

bchgirl 09-05-2008 09:14 AM
To sell commercially a breeder must be USDA licensed...not being listed as a commerical breeder doesn't necessarily mean they are a reputable breeder.

MiaBella 09-05-2008 09:15 AM
OMG!!! My Breeder is on this list. I feel so horrible. My husband bought me a puppy from this lady for Christmas and she died 14 days later. She sent me Mia (who very fortunately is healthy) as a replacement pup. I have to show hubby this when he gets home

bchgirl 09-05-2008 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gypsyqueen (Post 2221876)
well slap me and call me stupid I did not know there were so many idiots that had puppymills
Those aren't necessarily all dog breeders on that list.

BamaFan121s 09-05-2008 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2221887)
Those aren't necessarily all dog breeders on that list.
True, and I am sure that the millers in this world are not limited to just this list. I know of several who are not on it. I'm sure this is only a small percentage of the millers in existance. :(

I've heard claims that just because you are a USDA registered breeder, that it doesn't neccessarily mean you are a miller or unethical, but I have yet to run accross one who doesn't fit the mold, IMO. The very requirements of USDA breeders themselves already tell me that if you are metting those requirements, I want nothing to do with you.

bchgirl 09-05-2008 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2221955)
True, and I am sure that the millers in this world are not limited to just this list. I know of several who are not on it. I'm sure this is only a small percentage of the millers in existance. :(

I've heard claims that just because you are a USDA registered breeder, that it doesn't neccessarily mean you are a miller or unethical, but I have yet to run accross one who doesn't fit the mold, IMO. The very requirements of USDA breeders themselves already tell me that if you are metting those requirements, I want nothing to do with you.
I didn't see a date on there...but it looks identical to a list I've bookmarked..which is dated 2006. I always wonder how many MORE there may be in the 2 years since.

Exactly on your last paragraph.

BamaFan121s 09-05-2008 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2221993)
it looks identical to a list I've bookmarked..which is dated 2006.
Yikes! I think we need to find a new list!

bchgirl 09-05-2008 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2222014)
Yikes! I think we need to find a new list!

Is that a link you looked up today? Or one you had saved?

Mine came from prisoners of greed....

Nancy1999 09-05-2008 10:28 AM
I looked up some of the breeders on the list, and they raise horses, some pigs. I think anytime you sell a certain number of offspring of any animal, you have to be listed with the United States Department of Agriculture. The USDA has certain minimum standards for livestock, and many people don't feel that dogs should be considered livestock, and the minimum standards aren't good enough. One of the USDA rules for dogs is that they must be kept in a separate outside kennel, and many breeders don't like this ruling because it means you are unable to keep the dogs in the house.

MiaBella 09-05-2008 10:31 AM
So are these just Breeders that are USDA registered or definite puppymills?

Nancy1999 09-05-2008 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MiaBella (Post 2222049)
So are these just Breeders that are USDA registered or definite puppymills?
If you define a puppymill as a place where hundreds of dogs are kept in outdoor kennel/cages to breed, yes they are a puppymill. Some puppymills are probably better than others. Some probably get vet treatment, and adopted when they are no longer capable of breeding. Some are just put to death when they get sick or can't breed, and it's not always in a merciful way. They will breed anything, and breeding to standard isn't important, health testing isn't important, the only thing that is important is selling cute puppies. In many ways they are like the backyard breeder, just a bigger operation.

bchgirl 09-05-2008 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MiaBella (Post 2222049)
So are these just Breeders that are USDA registered or definite puppymills?
It's a list of all USDA breeders...it could be dogs, livestock, hedgehogs, exotic animals like monkeys.

However, the dog breeders listed on there....must keep their animals in kennels and cages OUTSIDE of their homes.

Keep in mind...USDA breeders can own up to 250 breeding pairs at one time.

Dog breeders on that list can sell commerically to brokers or pet stores. They are not real concerned where their puppies end up.

MiaBella 09-05-2008 10:45 AM
Thanks.. I just needed to clarify before I went home screaming at hubby.

Nancy1999 09-05-2008 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MiaBella (Post 2222091)
Thanks.. I just needed to clarify before I went home screaming at hubby.
Unfortunately, most dogs are bred this way. Dogs sold at pet stores and websites are obtained through commercial breeders. Finding a reputable breeder isn't an easy task. Just wanted to add that these dogs aren't necessarily inferior to a show breeder's dog, it's just that the dog's parents live in horrible conditions.

bchgirl 09-05-2008 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2222168)
Unfortunately, most dogs are bred this way. Dogs sold at pet stores and websites are obtained through commercial breeders. Finding a reputable breeder isn't an easy task. Just wanted to add that these dogs aren't necessarily inferior to a show breeder's dog, it's just that the dog's parents live in horrible conditions.
Nancy also forgot to say...don't yell at hubby. Educate him. ;)

MiaBella 09-05-2008 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2222172)
Nancy also forgot to say...don't yell at hubby. Educate him. ;)
I just feel so bad... I know he found the original pup on the web and he bought her for me. When the pup passed she wouldn't give us the $$ back because it was like the 15th day that we had her...I should have known then. She did sent us a replacement who is bigger and healthier.

Thank you all for the info.

bchgirl 09-05-2008 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MiaBella (Post 2222180)
I just feel so bad... I know he found the original pup on the web and he bought her for me. When the pup passed she wouldn't give us the $$ back because it was like the 15th day that we had her...I should have known then. She did sent us a replacement who is bigger and healthier.

Thank you all for the info.
Well now you know. At least the breeder was conscientious enough to send the replacement puppy. I'm glad she's healthy

Nancy1999 09-05-2008 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2222172)
Nancy also forgot to say...don't yell at hubby. Educate him. ;)

I've been called a hypocrite too often. Yelling at the hubby is fun though, it may not do any good, but it sure is stress reliever.

bchgirl 09-05-2008 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2222211)
I've been called a hypocrite too often. Yelling at the hubby is fun though, it may not do any good, but it sure is stress reliever.
Alrighty then...now we know why Nancy didn't say dont' yell. :rolleyes:

Nancy1999 09-05-2008 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2222214)
Alrighty then...now we know why Nancy didn't say dont' yell. :rolleyes:

That right, you're the expert of the soft approach. :kiss: I think if we each post pictures of contents our jewelry boxes, we will learn that the soft approach works best, that is, if your the sort of girl who likes jewelry.

sasamrit 09-05-2008 12:06 PM
okay this might be a stupid question but i'm going to ask anyways. my breeder is on the list but my dog is AKC registered. Does that make it better? Or does that even matter at all? I thought when a dog is AKC register, it conforms to breed standards.

bchgirl 09-05-2008 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sasamrit (Post 2222235)
okay this might be a stupid question but i'm going to ask anyways. my breeder is on the list but my dog is AKC registered. Does that make it better? Or does that even matter at all? I thought when a dog is AKC register, it conforms to breed standards.
Being akc registered means the sire and dam were akc registered...it means nothing regarding the standard. Ramsey is akc and also weighs 12 pounds...far out of standard. You can be assured of your dog's pedigree though...also akc makes random inspections, requires dna of the dogs and record keeping.

I would still avoid a USDA breeder...akc or not.

Nancy1999 09-05-2008 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sasamrit (Post 2222235)
okay this might be a stupid question but i'm going to ask anyways. my breeder is on the list but my dog is AKC registered. Does that make it better? Or does that even matter at all? I thought when a dog is AKC register, it conforms to breed standards.

No, not necessarily, as long as long as the dog's parents were AKC and the breeder has breeding rights, and is in good standing, the offspring can be registered. The AKC does do kennel inspections, but as long as they pass state laws the kennel passes, that's why it's important to get good state laws in regards to kennel conditions. The AKC is trying to get poor breeders off its registries, but they have to be extremely bad in order to do this, and other registries openly accept them, so beware of the alternative registries. Many puppymills are still listed with the AKC. I looking toward the future that this will change. Here's a list of breeders that the AKC has suspended. AKC suspension index

BamaFan121s 09-05-2008 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sasamrit (Post 2222235)
okay this might be a stupid question but i'm going to ask anyways. my breeder is on the list but my dog is AKC registered. Does that make it better? Or does that even matter at all? I thought when a dog is AKC register, it conforms to breed standards.
It means little to nothing that a breeder is AKC registered. There are dishonest breeders in every regisrty. There are many millers who breed AKC dogs too.


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