Actually, I don't think there is anything Funny about this! For all those that truly are against cross breeding for pets only......why don't you live up to your standards & adopt a purebred as well? I truly don't believe the majority is trying to establish a "new" breed. They just love & admire the result!:) It's very interesting to me that another thread discussed the differences/opinions back in January on parti-colored yorkies/biewers & it was very civil. They even commented on the fact. Check it out....alot of the same people who are not as nice here. I did not even know about it until this thread continued. Why then is this thread so cruel??:confused:
It's one thing to have differences of opinion & another to be disrespectful. I started out on this thread trying to be polite......it saddens me that this could cause YT to be Divided.:(


ummmmm? I was really looking forward to my 1000 post.....wish it could've been on a happier note!

I remember that thread well...I was one of the ones participating in the discussion....but I don't see what that thread had to do with this one? What is the topic of conversation here--crossbreeding, or the posting styles of specific members? Or why old threads are being dug up to be discussed here and now? Sorry, just failing to see the connection. :(

I didn't really see any of this thread as being "cruel." Generally speaking however, it seems as if alot of people have been hurt by some who simply have different opinions on the issue. I don't think anyone here who has expressed their disapproval of crossbreeding did so with the intention of offending someone or insulting any one's dog by implying that they were "lesser" than any given purebred dog. IMO, I don't think that would be a true statement. There just seem to be a strong difference of opinions, with very good points being made from both viewpoints. It doesn't make anyone of us more "right" than the other...just makes us different.

Maybe it developed into Both as it went along. Let's see, in your quote you said,
"The way I feel about it is, I HATE it. I think that to lable a mutt as a "designer dog" is very misleading. It seems to be nothing but feeding a fad and a way for "breeders" to pull a profit without having to worry about the pups being judged as quality because there is no standard, no guidelines to judge them to."
Sorry, but your wording to me does imply "lesser" meaning for mixed breeds. Although, in the discussions concerning parti/biewers, this wasn't the case when it is a very controversial matter as you agreed.
It is quite interesting that the YTCA made the same comment as you made about mix breeds concerning fads toward:
Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers?
Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.
Would you say to those who own a parti-color yorkie that they should adopt a mixed breed from a shelter instead of owning one? I'm confused?

YT will always be divided in many different ways. That is what happens when thousands of people come together to discuss the dogs that they are passionate about.

We must all agree to disagree. You will never be able to find a whole site that has the same views as each other.

Oh and congrats on 1k!! :)

I am sorry, but that is NOT the way I feel...I do not think any dog is any lesser than the next. I don't know how else to say it. I am very sorry if what I said was taken out of context and to you it is an insult.


Again, I do not feel the two issues are even comparable to one another. I think one thing we have in common is that we are both apparently 'confused.' I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Because the YTCA feels the same way about one issue as I do (allegedly) about another, then the two issues are the same? :confused:

Bottom line is, the question was asked, "How do you feel about it?" and I responded with my personal feelings about the issue--which simply put is "I hate it." I don't expect everyone to agree with it or feel the same way.

Thank you!:)
I never expected everyone to agree, but I also thought that this site YT was here to learn, share experiences for the LOVE of the furbabies. No one should be judgmental towards what anyone else decides they want. Now to discuss how non-reputable breeders bring this about is a differenct thing. Some of us never want to use the term "designer" or if there are those that do...maybe they don't mean it in the terms as to develop a new breed. Some of us are not interested in breeding our pets, having it registered. We are not judging those that are not even interested in a pet unless they are a registered breed. Let's remember that we are passionate about our furbabies!

yes twelve hundred minimum value
 

sorry, but its true.. dogs need things.. unless you are a back yard breeder who keeps dogs in cages outside..think again before becoming a breeder.. i would say 5 years to build up to being able to keep any mopney.. it all goes back into the dogs:animal-pa

You are straight forward about how you feel about mixed breeds. Quote: "I hate it." I was wondering & you didn't answer if you would tell those who owned parti yorkies that they should adopt mixed breeds from a shelter & that it would be a better option? I was asking how you felt about parti yorkies? Do you hate this as well?

I think that's very true! No two people will agree completely on anything. Now multiply that by 1000!
Either way, I think this is a great way to discuss this topic, everyone gets a chance to post what their views are and we could build on that.
I would have liked it though if someone answered my questions from my last post. As I have never bred a dog or for that matter had one as a companion (yes I know, I have a sad existence) I wouldn't ever know what the cost of raising a litter would be, and what a "fair" price would be for any dog, whether mixed or purebred.
Oh! And I wanted to comment on the mixed vs purebred at shelters. I just got home from participating in our "Grooming Group" at the shelter. We pretty up our dogs to make them smell and look nicer! Today we had two toy poodles and a purbred westie among all the wonderful dogs there! Now, only one dog did we know for sure was a purebred. The westie was a owner surrender as the owner was shipped off overseas to complete their military service, her we know for a fact is a purebred. The other two are strays we picked up from the street. One had a docked tail which would indicate that at one point in its life it had owners. But that's just a guess. And since it looks like a poodle we put on its card "possible poodle mix" not because it is or it isn't a mix but because we don't know anything about it. If we would put "miniature poodle" and assumed it to be a purebred, then whoever adopted it would hold it to the standard for poodles when it came to temperament, size and color. The adding of the word possible and mix is a safety so that when someone does come and adopt one of the little ones at the shelter, they won't feel like they were being misled when the pup does not act the way they were hoping it would.
As for the health of these puppies, I don't think it's fair to assume that they are all in horrible conditions. Some are owner surrenders and are for the most part, very healthy. Others were taken away from bad owners and to no fault of their own have health problems. Still others grew up with no human interaction as puppies and only need a little TLC to get them to be the great companions the could be!!!
That's not saying I'm against getting a puppy from a breeder. There is a sense of comfort when bringing a puppy home from a caring breeder. The predictability can be usefull to prevent heartache. What if this is your first puppy and you know your allergic? (like me!) A little research can save you a ton of heartache and help you get the little friendly puppy that would best suit your needs. If I had the choice, I would defenitely get one from a breeder. But I'd also like to rescue, I don't know if that would be possible for me though. :(

Well then to clarify MY own words....it's not the dogs I "hate," it's the practice of purposely mixing the two breeds that I do not agree with.

Again...I do not think the two issues are even remotely comparable to one another. The situations are not the same, IMO. :confused:

if i can get five thousand for a puppy.. i say tell me how... it would be worth it.. maybe biewers
but the investment would be 25,000 for 2 dogs.. maybe three..and for all the equipment and miscellaneous list of things needed..up front ...and a waiting period of three years.. but then the money would multiply over the years by adding to the program
... but, it is totally full time..but i dont believe too many people are paying 5000. for puppies....maybe 2000... tops
the economy has changed the market..
most new breeders want to make a quick buck..and dont understand the waiting.. or the stress and responibilty..
difference between reputable and not reputable..
you need money and patience..and you must love dogs..
more of my opinions... i wish someone would offer me 5000
for a puppy...but gus gus is not for sale ever again..
i think if the biewers can sell for five thousand.. then good for them...:)
definitely need security there...:)

:thumbup::thumbup:Great post!!

What I do not like about designer breeds is the puppy miller end of it.
That there are people out making money saying this mutts a doodle doo or a shiz poop or what ever are papered and show able. THAT IS WRONG.
Plus no mixed breed should cost anywhere near a pure breed and show dog.
They are mutts....

JL

i will try not to take offense.. but my mixes are not mutts..
all my human relatives are though...
mixes are worth more in some cases..
the problem is the puppy mills..
Puppy mills are a crime against all dogs..
why isnt there a federal law to protect them?
i think capitol punishment should be the just
and fair punishment for puppy mill owners
or lynching.. or death by fire ants:animal36

Your relatives are mutts? Jimney....mine too...well my in laws. :rolleyes:

sorry but you are wrong.. it does cost this much:p
minimum 1200..