I would agree with you on the health of a animal at the shelter, but your going to get any risks of health problems whether its from a BYB or a reputable breeder or from the shelter whether the animal is pure or crossed. One never knows when a problem uprises, I once purchased a yorkie pup and raised it to just over a year old and it became very ill, so ill it eventually died. I had taken it to the vet and it ended up with a Liver shunt, even thou I put him on Milk Thistle to help with his liver, but maybe if I had know he had this early then maybe the M-Thistle would of help even more. He still lived for a few months after he was diagnosed, but when I ? this with the reputable breeder, their response was....they had no known issues in the bloodline of liver shunt. So I guess what I'm trying to say is its always a unknown issue of genetics and you take what comes along and deal with it....JMO

Also, I just want to say sometimes that BYB that only raises a litter here and there, once a year or every few years....isn't all that bad, and I don't see where people can label them as "BAD", I would prefer to buy from a small breeder who has quality not quanity...

So if you have BYB and then PUPPYMILLS....what do you call the person in the middle that is breeding dogs???

I agree with you on this, and this is what I was saying but not in those words, no one knows what the outcome of any dog will be. Heartworms for any dog, is careless pet ownership from the get go. It is not a breeder issue but a owner issue. My local shelter has only owner issue pets, not breeder problem pets, does this make sense?

First I believe they would not be in the middle of the two breeders, I would say they enjoy what they do as a hobby and enjoy hearing from clients later in life on the joy that each and every puppy they sold.

Genetics plays a big part on any thing living just not in dogs, of course we all know this. Something could crop up from 5 generations back. So basically you could pick a good one out of a litter, but his/her sister/brother could carry the weak gene or show signs of a weak gene later in life. How do you know what is good when you buy one at 8-12 weeks much less one at 2 years old? Its a gamble that all of us has to take when we buy, sell, or produce anything that draws breath.

Banjo is a chorkie- his breeder planned the breeding! Just like she plans her yorkie, ans Pom breedings!
She did not charge me near as much as I would have had to pay for a yorkie!
He is healthy and happy!

I am very happy with him!-
I would not pay $1000 for a chorkie!
But I wouldn't give him up for a million $$$$"s

I am more than very happy with him!1 He is the sweetest, happiest- and very healthy DOG!

I LOVE HIM!!!

Yes, you do see pure bred dogs up for adoption. I do not know where you are located but here, a pure bred dog only comes in every blue moon and then are snatched up quick.

I encourage anyone to go to their local pound with a pen and paper. Make a count of mixed breed dogs versus pure bred dogs. The mixes will out number the pure breds by quite a lot.

While mine may not be the accepted responce... all dogs are designer breeds. We as humans put dogs together to get them to do the job we wanted right from the start. dogs where not in breed classes in the beginning they were only one kind.
We did our human think and took the good herding ones and made herd dogs and good hunting ones and made hunt dogs.
and so one to little lap dogs.
Yorkies have been down sized from bigger dogs they were at 13 or more pounds to the undersized dogs they are not.

There are the newer breeds like the Black Russians and the biewers....
Althought BRTS come from a mix of dogs taken to a breed with much work by the russain people and Biewers from one breed it still playing with the gene pools.

What I do not like about designer breeds is the puppy miller end of it.
That there are people out making money saying this mutts a doodle doo or a shiz poop or what ever are papered and show able. THAT IS WRONG.
Plus no mixed breed should cost anywhere near a pure breed and show dog.
They are mutts....

JL

Mixing breeds does not create a new breed. That is where people are misled and the "morkie" "shorkie" false advertising is born along with a bunch of puppies and dogs that end up in rescues because no one thinks to ask any questions of buyers before they are sold. Or the puppy didn't grow up to what someone thought they would get because the neighbours morkie is 5 lbs and looks like a Yorkie but theirs is 20 lbs and looks like who knows?
Read AKC or Canadian Kennel Club on their site about what it takes to have a new breed recognized. It is not throwing some dogs together, coming up with a catch name and marketing a new product.
That works with commodities not dogs.

Well said!

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Here's an interesting, short article on the subject....don't know the author.

Much Ado About Poo
Are Cock-a-poo's, Peke-a-poo's and the other poo dogs real breeds?

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“Rare!” “Exotic!” “One of a Kind!” “Luxury on a Leash!” proclaim the ads in the Sunday pet classifieds. “Get the best of both worlds!” “Registered New Breed!” “Special Price - this week only - $599!”

Curious? Who wouldn't be? Almost everyone wants something different, unusual, something new and exciting, something no one else has. What are these unique, exciting dogs with funny names and high price tags?

Meet the Poo's: Yorkie-Poo's, Cock-a-Poo's, Lhasa-Poo's, Beag-A-Poo's, Peke-A-Poo's, Pom-Poo's, Doxie-Poo's and Terri-Poo's, just to name a few. Meet their cousins, the Cocker-Chons and the Bi-Tzu. This large and incredibly diverse family of dogs includes such “breeds” as Cock-a-Shels and Malt-oodles; everything from the imposing Rott-a-Dor down to the diminutive Peke-A-Pom and Yorki-Huahua. What do these dogs with the whimsical breed names have in common? The fact that they're not real breeds at all. They're mongrels — mixed breeds — masquerading as something glamorous, valuable and highly desirable. Yorkie-Poo's are simply Yorkshire Terriers crossed with Poodles. A Bi-Tzu is a Bichon Frise/Shih Tzu mix. Cock-a-Shels result when Cocker Spaniels are bred to Shelties (Shetland Sheepdogs) and Rott-A-Dors occur when a Rottweiler and a Labrador Retriever join forces. New breeds? Hardly. Behind the hype and the clever name is a common mutt.

Have you ever looked at a Basset Hound and a Poodle or a similarly mis-matched combination and wondered what the puppies would look like if the two were mated? Lots of us have. It makes for an entertaining exercise in imagination. But the people deliberately breeding “Peke-A-Poms” (a cross between a Pekingese and a Pomeranian) and other such fanciful mixes have taken the “what if?” game a step further. Rather than playing games with their imagination, they're playing games with living creatures, charging big prices for their results and telling some pretty tall tales to justify it. Here are some of them:

“We're making a new breed. The AKC is going to recognize the Cocker-Poo real soon now.”
The process of creating a new breed and achieving AKC recognition is long and involved, requiring many years and many generations. A “breed” is a genetically similar strain of dogs that resemble each other in appearance and temperament. Bred together, two dogs of the same breed will produce puppies that are also similar in appearance to the parents and will develop in a predictable fashion.

The first step in creating a new breed involves a definite vision of what the breed will look like and the writing of a breed standard to describe it. For example, what characteristics must a Yorkie-Poo have in order for it to be considered a Yorkie-Poo? What is a Cocker-Chon or a Peke-A-Pom supposed to look and act like? To date, no breeders of these “new” breeds have even taken that first step.(see note) There has been no agreement among breeders even as to what a Yorkie-Poo is supposed to be other than a cross between a Yorkshire Terrier and a Poodle. After years of mixing these breeds, no two Yorkie-Poos look anything alike; neither are any Peke-A-Poms or Cocker-Chons similar to one another. There has not been any serious effort at all to create a distinct breed that the AKC would recognize.

“We're combining the best of both breeds into one! Shelties shed but Poodles don't. A Shelti-Poo will look like a Sheltie but not shed.”
Not exactly. Genetics doesn't work that way. Some Shelti-Poos might fit this description but many won't. A breeder can't pick and choose what features will be passed on from each breed — it's strictly a matter of luck because the genetic combinations involved in the crossing of breeds is random and unpredictable. There is just as much of a chance that the puppy will grow up to have the worst characteristics of both breeds! The selection of certain traits is achieved only by generations of careful breeding, discarding dogs that don't have the desired qualities and narrowing the gene pool until the right combinations occur with regularity.

“These Beag-A-Poos are registered with the 'Dogs International Kennel Club'.”
The word “registered” has a magical effect on people. They seem to think something that's “registered” must be legitimate and valuable. Not so! “Registered” is no more an indication that a dog's breed is legitimate any more than it implies the dog has quality or value. “Registered” simply means “recorded.” Someone has a paid a fee to an agency to record his dog's name in a book and the agency has sent him a certificate saying they did so. There are many canine registries in business today that will register any kind of dog whether it's purebred, mixed breed or even of unknown origin.

The two most long-standing and reputable canine registries are the American Kennel Club and the United Kennel Club. Neither registers mixed breed dogs or dogs of unknown parentage. AMBOR, the American Mixed Breed Obedience Registry, is a reputable organization that registers mixed breeds but only for the purpose of competing in the obedience trials it sponsors.

“The price is so high because they're one of a kind.”
One of a kind — yes, that's certainly true! Every mixed breed dog, whether bred deliberately or by accident, is one of a kind because its genetic makeup is an unpredictable jumble of characteristics. No two are alike. Does this factor alone justify a high price, higher than what's charged by many reputable breeders of quality purebreds? No way. If “one of a kind” made a dog valuable, every mixed breed dog at the pound would be worth a fortune!

“We have been responsible breeders of Bass-A-Poos for four years.”
The term “responsible” is getting a lot of mileage these days. Almost every breeder claims to be “responsible.” The dictionary defines responsible as “trustworthy and dependable.” How dependable is a breeder who plays imaginative “what if?” games with his dogs and expects the public to pay for his experiments? How trustworthy is a breeder who deliberately misleads people about the value of a mutt? I think you can answer that question for yourself.

Truly responsible breeders are honest and knowledgeable with a strict code of personal ethics. They care about the puppies they produce and the people who'll buy them. Would a responsible breeder deliberately cross a Basset Hound and a Poodle — dogs with completely different and potentially incompatible physical structures and temperaments? Would they deliberately mix any breeds? No, not when they know the results will be completely unpredictable and that there are already thousands of accidentally-bred mixed breed dogs in need of good homes.

Does this mean that all producers of “Poos” and other mixes are unscrupulous and deceitful? No, many of them are simply ignorant of responsible breeding practices and unaware of what they're really doing. Both the deceitful and the ignorant, though, prey on the ignorance of the public — as long as people don't know the truth about these exotic-sounding dogs, they'll continue to buy them and support this unethical and unnecessary practice.

There's no doubt that mixed breeds like Yorkie-Poos, Malt-oodles, and Bi-Tzus can make wonderful pets. Thousands of people own and love mixed breed dogs of every description. But are these unusual mixes really valuable, unique, “designer dogs”? No, not any more so than the many wonderful mixed breeds available for adoption at the local animal shelter.

Don't be fooled by the whimsical names, the intriguing descriptions, and the high prices! It's just a lot of poo. You can find “designer dogs” of every size, shape, color and personality as close as your local humane society or rescue service and at a far more reasonable cost. Why not visit there first and save a life? You'll be glad you did!

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: The ONLY reason anyone should breed is to preserve the breed. Money and fun are not reasons. It's selfish to breed for only money/fun when there are indeed plenty of dogs in the world dying because of lack of homes. Mixed breed breeding (cross breed, mutt...they're BOTH mixed breeds, and one is not more quality than the other) is done ONLY for money...I haven't seen ONE reputable designer dog breeder. Not one. And I doubt their existence-anyone who TRULY cares for dogs doesn't breed their low quality purebred bitch to another low quality purebred sire. Also, since they are breeding MUTTS they can't test for any breed-related diseases, meaning that the litter could pick up on BOTH of breed's sicknesses. On top of that, I DARE all designer dog supporters to go on petfinder.com, look at all the "yorkiepoos" and "maltipoos" and "puggles" and tell me that they AREN'T dying in shelters and sitting in rescues.

Plus...
What kind of registry is going to call a dog a "morkie" or a "labradoodle"? Honestly, in my opinion, it just sounds ridiculous. Yorkie Poos are things yorkies produce when they need to go.
Think to our little yorkies. Did their breeders call them Malt-a-Skyes? No. They called what they were at the time: mixed breeds. When they were recognized, they were dubbed the yorkshire terrier.

More food for thought.

^ Exactly.

AKC's foundation program specifically excludes any "breed"...which is the result of a pairing of two breeds already recognized.

I once saw a "designer" dog whose name included SIX different breeds....:rolleyes:

designer pups...???
 

??? Does this person breed dogs? If so, then instead of selling them, just give them away being its not about $$$. And, If not then just sell them for what you have into them...actual cost of raising the litter divided by # of pups to equal the sale price....JMO...more food to chew.

It goes back to people selling their animals for what they feel they are worth...or atleast a fair price.

Here you go:

Airedale x Malamute = Airmal, litters that go first class

Airedale X Spaniel = Airel, a dog that brings in good TV reception

Akita x Shiba Inu = SHIKITA, a bright yellow, banana shaped dog

Basenji X Schipperke = Baserke, a dog that's mad about its owner

Bloodhound X Labrador = Blabador, a dog that barks incessantly

Bloodhound X Borzoi = Bloody Bore, a dog that's not much fun

Boxer X German Shorthair = Boxer Shorts, a dog never seen in public

Bull Terrier x ****zu = Bull****z, a gregarious but unreliable breed

Cairn Terrier x Jack Russell Terrier = Cairjack, can never find him when you have a flat tire

Chihuahua X Whippet = Chiapet, order from TV ads; 3 for $19.95

Cocker Spaniel x Rottweiler = Cockrot, the perfect puppy for that philandering ex-husband

Collie X Malamute = Commute, a dog that travels to work

Collie X Lhasa Apso = Collapso, a dog that folds up for easy transport

Deerhound X Terrier = Derriere, a dog that's true to the end

Great Pyrenees X Dachshund = Pyradachs, a puzzling breed

Great Pyrenees x Jack Russell Terrier = Pyrajacks, don't bet on 'em

Harrier x Pit Bull = Hairy Pits, found throughout Europe

Highland Terrier x Jack Russell Terrier = Hijack, gets you in trouble on airplanes

Irish Water Spaniel X English Springer Spaniel = Irish Springer, a dog fresh and clean as a whistle

Jack Russell Terrier x Labrador = Jackdor, falls out windows trying to fly

Keeshond X Setter = Keester, you can't get this dog off its duff

Kerry Blue Terrier X Skye Terrier = Blue Skye, a dog for visionaries

Kerry Blue Terrier X Bloodhound = Blueblood, a favorite with the upper crust in Society

Labrador Retriever X Curly Coated Retriever = Lab Coat Retriever, the choice of research scientists

Malamute X Pointer = Moot Point, owned by....oh, well, it doesn't matter anyway

Newfoundland X Basset Hound = Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors

Pekingese X Lhasa Apso = Peekasso, an abstract dog

Pekingese X Dachshund = Peking Dach, owned by Chinese restranteurs

Pekinese x Rottweiler = Parrot, repeats everything you say

Pointer X Setter = Poinsetter, a traditional Christmas pet

Poodle X Great Pyrenees = Poopyree, a dog that smells good

Pyrenees x Akita = PYRAKITA, a small brightly-colored South American dog that can be finger-trained, as well as trained to talk

Saluki x ****zu = Suzuki, goes for miles on a gallon of gas

Scotch Terrier x Water Spaniel = Scotch & Water, served throughout England (as opposed to watered scotch, served throughout the USA)

Smooth Fox Terrier X Chow Chow = Smooch, a dog who loves to kiss

Spaniel x Dachshund = Spandachs, in gyms everywhere

Spitz X Chow Chow = Spitz-Chow, a dog that throws up a lot

Terrier X Bulldog = Terribull, a dog that makes awful mistakes

Wiener Dog x Rottweiler = BRATWEILER, a German dog found at the snack bars at sporting events

As far as mixed breeds, I LOVE all dogs, whether they are mixed or purebred and I totally agree with the fact that most breeders do breed for the money involved. I have heard it said over and over that they breed to better the breed or for the love of the breed and not for the money but if that was true why charge 1500 for the puppy? Im sure it cost alot less than that for shots, food, and tail docking. :confused:

Laughing ladymom....those are good. I always ponder what some mixes would be called.

I don't know why a yorkie pekingese is called....yorkinese...I think they should be called porkies. LOL

I think the reason why you find them on petfinder is, that they can take on either the good or the bad of each breed it is crossed with. That is also the case with purebreds, who their parents are etc.... However, a good breeder, with breeding quality dogs....would never sell to a person who was going to "cross" the breed. Therefore, you get two poorly bred purebreds crossing and calling them "designer" dogs.